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[Researcher]

FT, regardless of how you define "grope", it has a negative connotation.  If you read in the headlines, "Barack Obama was sighted in Maui groping Michelle Obama" -- although he was merely grabbing her waist -- that would be taken in a negative light.   It's just a poor choice of word for the act.

Not defending anybody, but how can you tell that you've made somebody's blood boil from a message board reply?  Do the letters contain hidden red flames or something?  Am I blind?

       jksun,  ft doesn't want to discuss his shameful past so he keeps drawing attention away from it.

          You can let a woman know you are interested in sex without "groping" her or using any other sex offender activity.


           Researcher

[Kiltboy1]

Brazil just gave out 500,000 condoms for Carnaval
I suppose the whole country are just "sluts" , or possibly it is maybe , oh I don't know, THE CULTURE 


KB

[Ray]

You can let a woman know you are interested in sex without "groping" her or using any other sex offender activity.

Oh Shyt!

So now I'm a sex offender because I groped my wife last night? OK, where do I register? Will I show up on one of those sex-offender maps?

If I were counting, we probably grope each other at least a dozen times a day. Does that make both of us "sex offenders"?

Oh Boy! Men in this country really have been brainwashed by the feminists!   

[bcc_1_2]

Personally I think it's a bit sad that men would not give a chance to a girl who wouldn't sleep with them after a couple of dates, but that just means I am not the kind of woman they are looking and I respect that.

Exactly. Regardless if it is Omaha, Ensenada, Cali, or La Ceiba there are a lot of women out there that feel this way. Utopia Cowboy makes a fair point.. if your rules are early "groping" and fast sex you may end up dating a lot of well... "spades".


Researcher-

Or I could get my feelings hurt, leave a long manifesto and run away to another forum to trash this one behind everyone's back....but no, i'm not a coward.

I'm not sure what happened to the more humble FT, but he is long gone now at the detriment to newbie posters. Comparing the old to the new posts you can't even tell it is the same person.

[fathertime]

       jksun,  ft doesn't want to discuss his shameful past so he keeps drawing attention away from it.

          You can let a woman know you are interested in sex without "groping" her or using any other sex offender activity.


           Researcher

Yes of course you can let her know, you can write her a letter for her signature consenting that you can touch her.  I don't know why for some men it is SO hard to just take a small chance and grab a woman around the waist and see how she reacts. If a man has good judgement he can deduce when it seems like the appropriate time, to take a calculated risk.  A bad decision would be to not act when the moment is right, and then go back to the US, and later find out the woman has moved on before you build up the courage to take the risk you should have took the first time around.

‘researcher’ I don’t mind discussing my past, which by the way I’m not ashamed of.  It is just odd that, that is ALL you want to talk about…well almost all, you also want to know precisely when Pivery had sexual relations with his fiance. Perhaps you should disclose private information to him prior to demanding 4 times that he disclose this information to you.    This thread is not about how I throughly enjoyed tearing up most of what you said in the past.  You are always welcome to open a thread about me, if I’m THAT important to you.  That way the topic of when and how a woman should be courted and or ‘groped’ can be discussed without the interference of your hurt feelings, angry remembrances, and maudlin dramatics of your sad past.

Fathertime!

[bcc_1_2]

Brazil just gave out 500,000 condoms for Carnaval
I suppose the whole country are just "sluts" , or possibly it is maybe , oh I don't know, THE CULTURE 

KB

Teen pregnancy (for the first time in decades) is back on the rise in the United States. Maybe we aren't so different.

[fathertime]

Teen pregnancy (for the first time in decades) is back on the rise in the United States. Maybe we aren't so different.

And I'm not all that convinced teen pregnancy is always such a bad thing.  18 & 19 are teenage years, and some girls may decide to give it a go at that point...it wasn't too long ago that this was the norm..and in many ways the old norm was better than the new norm.  So bCc, what are you thoughts on the subject?

Fathertime!

[bcc_1_2]

Oh Shyt!

So now I'm a sex offender because I groped my wife last night?

Oh Boy! Men in this country really have been brainwashed by the feminists!   

Only if you continue after your wife repeatedly asks you to stop. Well that is the case outside the perspective of anyone's politics and is the correct answer in terms of the law.

I doubt IV is a feminist and it appears she might want to get to know a guy before he gets grabby. Maybe different values than you (or maybe not), but it has nothing to do with feminism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftOCN1jkNo

[bcc_1_2]

So bCc, what are you thoughts on the subject?

Fathertime!

The studies I've seen focused on the rise of teen pregnancy in high school girls. So maybe its ok with liberals such as yourself... but I want these people having kids to be able to pay for their kids without public assistance. 

[fathertime]

.. if your rules are early "groping" and fast sex you may end up dating a lot of well... "spades". 

Well bCc, in the same vein as your attempted mischaracterization of my use of the word
 word ‘groped’ , I’d say your use of ‘spades’ in that context was a sly reference to blacks.   So why are you making racist statements now and what do you have against black gals? 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spade

[fathertime]

 

The studies I've seen focused on the rise of teen pregnancy in high school girls. So maybe its ok with liberals such as yourself... but I want these people having kids to be able to pay for their kids without public assistance. 

Very funny, I'm not all that liberal anymore as you probably already gathered.  So it sounds like your complaint strictly deals with the potential financial implications of the pregnancy.  I'm alright with drastically cutting some of the welfare programs out there, so I'm not going to argue that specific point. 
I had a wife quite some time ago, who was pregnant at 19, not too far later down the road she developed a devastating cancer and was never able to conceive a child after this one.  She was pretty happy she had our child when she did!  As I said earlier, I wouldn't get too riled up over teenage pregnancy just yet, the rates are still low enough and some couples feel fairly good about themselves at an early age and thumb their noses to our society's unwritten rules.  They have to work hard to take care of themselves though, or ask family/friends for occasional bailouts when an 'emergency'  arises.
Fathertime!   

[bcc_1_2]

So it sounds like your complaint strictly deals with the potential financial implications of the pregnancy. 

Yes it is you socialist.

[bcc_1_2]

Well bCc, in the same vein as your attempted mischaracterization of my use of the word
 word ‘groped’ , I’d say your use of ‘spades’ in that context was a sly reference to blacks.   So why are you making racist statements now and what do you have against black gals? 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spade

Is this really your attempt at intellectualism? Why don't we email an english professor this thread and see what the english professor thinks of your use of "grope" and mine of "spade". I'm all for it Mr. Intellectual... if you'd like to further embarrass yourself... you socialist. 

[fathertime]

Is this really your attempt at intellectualism? Why don't we email an english professor this thread and see what the english professor thinks of your use of "grope" and mine of "spade". I'm all for it Mr. Intellectual... if you'd like to further embarrass yourself... you socialist. 

     It is evidenced by the preponderance of posts here that the word ‘groped’ is not strictly the ‘sexual assault’ that you tried to make it out to exclusively be.  I’m comfortable that your attack was proven wrong by the other poster’s opinions on the subject.   On the other hand, your use of ‘spade’ in that context, seemed pretty intentional or at least very ignorant.   Perhaps you should just plead ignorance. 

  I’m not interested in Socialism, but rather self-reliance.   I’m not trying to get into the bedroom of others and tell them when or when not to have children.   If a young adult couple chooses to have a child, I don’t think it is anything to get too bent out of shape over.  They just have to realize they are going to have to work hard to make it all work over a course of a lifetime.  Since decisions are difficult for you, it seems to me that a nice granny state would be best for you, one that tells you at what time you can choose to have children, a state that wags it's crooked finger at you when you don't copulate when you are supposed to.

Fathertime!

[bcc_1_2]

     It is evidenced by the preponderance of posts here that the word ‘groped’ is not strictly the ‘sexual assault’ that you tried to make it out to exclusively be. 

Wrong again. I just go by the dictionary definition. Which means grabbing or fondling for sexual pleasure.

I don't actually think you sexually assulted anyone, but I think now that you are back you feel you have to prove something for whatever reason and are no longer being accurate about your experiences.

From reading your past trip reports and posts (before you came back) I have no doubt you struggled at times understanding your date. It is unfortunate we will no longer get honest accounts about them. Which is why I'm now reduced to teasing and ribbing you, because you no longer provide valuable content about your experience anymore.

Just look at your agrument for a second...

"It is evidenced by the preponderance of posts"

Not long ago everyone thought the world was flat. They thought the earth was the center of the universe. People still think Noah got all the insects and dinosaurs to procreate on a boat. Your everyone told me it was a good idea to jump off the bridge is not an intelligent intellectual agrument.

Anyone who reads your past works already knows the difficulties you had. This old FT vs new FT is just an internal battle over an honest account of what actually happened.

[Pivery]

 Having a teenage daughter myself, I have mixed feelings on if she were to have a child soon after high school. But knowing my daughter has good judgement, and there
was an actual father in the picture who intended to stick around, it's her life and not for me to say. I would be bummed I guess if she ended up having a child and felt that
it kept her back from doing anything that she wanted to do in life before becoming pregnant, or she ended up being on welfare or something.

Hey FT, leave everyone alone including 'Reseacher'. If he wants to lose sleep over my history with my lady I'm cool with that.
He's actually quite harmless and just doesn't realize when I am only having some fun with you.

I have been blessed with a beautiful woman who takes very good care of me so I don't worry about the board 24/7. I have a life and I intend on enjoying it with my fiancée and not
staying online day and night on the forum answering to someone whom I could care less about.
I am more into exchanging information and learning from each other. Besides being talked about so much is stroking my fragile ego, so mind your own business you socialist pig! 

Pivery

[utopiacowboy]

I think that is sad when people think that way...is it better to want to have sex and not.... or is there some virtue to not desiring sex that much at all.

In the US I thought you were supposed to say "no to drugs" not to sex too!!! jajaja!!!

You want to marry a woman who's been with a couple of hundred guys? Fine, not for me. If a woman wants to be a slut, that's fine too, there will be plenty of guys to keep her company. However, I don't know too many guys who want to marry a slut.

[fathertime]

Wrong again. I just go by the dictionary definition. Which means grabbing or fondling for sexual pleasure.

I don't actually think you sexually assulted anyone, but I think now that you are back you feel you have to prove something for whatever reason and are no longer being accurate about your experiences.

From reading your past trip reports and posts (before you came back) I have no doubt you struggled at times understanding your date. It is unfortunate we will no longer get honest accounts about them. Which is why I'm now reduced to teasing and ribbing you, because you no longer provide valuable content about your experience anymore.

Just look at your agrument for a second...

"It is evidenced by the preponderance of posts"

Not long ago everyone thought the world was flat. They thought the earth was the center of the universe. People still think Noah got all the insects and dinosaurs to procreate on a boat. Your everyone told me it was a good idea to jump off the bridge is not an intelligent intellectual agrument.

Anyone who reads your past works already knows the difficulties you had. This old FT vs new FT is just an internal battle over an honest account of what actually happened.

.  I’m glad you read my history and found it so educating for yourself.   BCc, I don’t remember saying finding a good woman for a wife was all that easy (but it sure was fun) and I don’t think I’m romanticizing what occurred in S. America.  When I find a post of yours that I don’t feel is useful I will comment on that particular point.  What in particular do you think I’m recounting with significant difference than it actually happened?  Keep in mind, a change in opinion about subjects is perfectly normal as a knowledge base increases, so what in particular about actual events is being misrepresented?

Once again, ‘groping’ in real life is also defined by what people think the definition is, not solely some words on a page.  Comparing all the opinions of the word, to the people who thought the world is flat is a inaccurate comparison, as it can be scientifically proven the world is not flat but with a way a population defines a word that is not the case.  Your use of ‘spade’ in the context you used it in is likely in the same category of my use of ‘groping’, but not necessarily.

Hey Piveraoni,
I hear you about the teenage young woman things.  I’m pretty much badgering bCc on that point, just to see where he was coming from.  He sorta claimed up and resorted to calling me a ‘socialist’ for my differing opinion on that subject!

Fathertime!

[Pivery]

 FT,

It's nice and very refreshing to once again keep things here on topic without it spiralling into something totally off-topic and silly...

So, I have been thinking about the term 'Groping', and going back to my sordid teenage/post teen past and being something like an octupus with the ladies, I do conjure
up a somewhat negative feeling from it. Now this is without knowing per-say where I or someone is groping. Whether it be around the waist or as of yet uncharted territory.
I was thinking about my reaction if my daughter said to me that she was groped at school or while on a date. I think without knowing where she was groped, I would go grab
my 12-gauge and go looking for the bastard!

But seriously, I think that we (for the most part) are all talking about the same thing. But I think that there needs to be a different name for it. Well, at least if you were not a monk
back in your dating days and didn't have your hands all over the ladies whether they signed off on it or not!

Pivery

[Researcher]

Having a teenage daughter myself, I have mixed feelings on if she were to have a child soon after high school. But knowing my daughter has good judgement, and there
was an actual father in the picture who intended to stick around, it's her life and not for me to say. I would be bummed I guess if she ended up having a child and felt that
it kept her back from doing anything that she wanted to do in life before becoming pregnant, or she ended up being on welfare or something.

Hey FT, leave everyone alone including 'Reseacher'. If he wants to lose sleep over my history with my lady I'm cool with that.
He's actually quite harmless and just doesn't realize when I am only having some fun with you.

I have been blessed with a beautiful woman who takes very good care of me so I don't worry about the board 24/7. I have a life and I intend on enjoying it with my fiancée and not
staying online day and night on the forum answering to someone whom I could care less about.
I am more into exchanging information and learning from each other. Besides being talked about so much is stroking my fragile ego, so mind your own business you socialist pig! 

Pivery

   I'm not losing any sleep Piv but I do find the lying by you and ft repulsive.



    Researcher

[fathertime]

   I'm not losing any sleep Piv but I do find the lying by you and ft repulsive.



    Researcher

What is most repulsive and toxic (to yourself) is your pent-up anger.  As a Dr Phil of the board, I suggest some more counseling (confidence training) for you!  Yes, yes we know everybody is lying about everything, except you.  The ‘researcher’ is  just angry because nobody actually believes that I was advocating ‘sexual assault’  a ridiculous accusation that  you were so desperately trying to hang on me.  I must try to remember to forgive your misplaced anger, as you can’t help yourself.

Fathertime!

[Pivery]

 While on safari in Colombia in the not-so-distant past looking or that special someone, I did seem to encounter an above average amount of very attractive, young single mothers
that were around. No official stats or #'s, but it seemed on average higher than here in the states. Now maybe some were as they are in the states - accidents, but without a man
in their lives to help out it seems kind of sad for them. No too many Colombian men want to be bothered with a woman that already has a child, so unless this woman gets lucky with
a gringo or ? she is likely to remain unmarried.

Maybe all these kids without fathers is the result of the men telling the women whatever to get laid and they move on, or the women are a little too freewheeling early on.

Pivery 

[bcc_1_2]

As a Dr Phil of the board....

Be careful what you wish for... Doc.

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/10/08/2009-10-08_dr_phil_accused_of_groping_patients_breasts_holding_her_captive.html

[Researcher]

While on safari in Colombia in the not-so-distant past looking or that special someone, I did seem to encounter an above average amount of very attractive, young single mothers
that were around. No official stats or #'s, but it seemed on average higher than here in the states. Now maybe some were as they are in the states - accidents, but without a man
in their lives to help out it seems kind of sad for them. No too many Colombian men want to be bothered with a woman that already has a child, so unless this woman gets lucky with
a gringo or ? she is likely to remain unmarried.

Maybe all these kids without fathers is the result of the men telling the women whatever to get laid and they move on, or the women are a little too freewheeling early on.

Pivery 

  Are you sure about that Pivery or is this another one of your fibs.

   Researcher

[Researcher]

Be careful what you wish for... Doc.

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/10/08/2009-10-08_dr_phil_accused_of_groping_patients_breasts_holding_her_captive.html

          Sounds like fathertime is the Dr Phil of the board....hehehe


    Researcher