The rules

[zack]

Rather than hijack Mudd's thread I thought I'd start a new thread regarding a comment that was made there. It was said that Calipro has a rule that "if a Latina doesn't sleep with you by the second date she isn't that interested in you". It was also said that there exceptions.

It isn't often that I disagree with Calipro but I do about this one. There are so many exceptions to this rule that I cannot actually call it a "rule". My wife and I had sex on the 4th date. Had I followed this advice we wouldn't be married today. That rule doesn't apply to the more marriage-minded, serious ladies in my opinion. Many ladies are cautious about who they sleep with and won't jump into bed with someone so quickly, especially those who have been hurt in the past. In my 6 year Latina quest there were several Latinas who were definately interested in me but didn't give in so quickly. Look at Fathertime's situation- his wife wouldn't even hold his hand for a long time and yet she was obviously very interested in him.

The bottom line is, I don't tnink that newbies should be told "two dates, and you're out". They may pass by some potential life mates if they do.

[Dave H]

It was said that Calipro has a rule that "if a Latina doesn't sleep with you by the second date she isn't that interested in you". It was also said that there exceptions.

Two whole dates! That seems awfully generous to me! I like the guy who had the "sex within 30 minutes of meeting rule!" But, then again, they probably wouldn't make good marriage material. 

Dave

[Pivery]

 Not sure dates-wise how long it took until my fiancée and I were 'intimate' as I wasn't trying to keep any type of score, but it was quite awhile down the road.

From what she has told me recently about the subject was that the Colombian men will tell the women there anything to get under their skirts and then drop them
after. The gringos try to woo them over with tall tales from the high seas of large fortunes and a fleet of cars they own but for the most part is all hot air.
So for my lady, even though I knew she was marriage material and didn't mind waiting to get my roll in the hay, she was also deciding in her mind if I was for real or not.
Guess it depends on what type of woman you're looking for. Both models are in the showroom, but the only model I wanted was the one I wanted to take home, not test drive.

Pivery 

[dennislevy]

I know calipro, I ve talked with him on the phone, weve jousted on this forun  and he and I ahve completely different ideas aobut women. He likes young girls

But, Im 56 and I date women in their  30s (usally aobut 37 or  38 to about 50.  I live in Bogota and I think behaviors are gnerally different then they may be among some  women in some other cities in Colombia. Since Janaury 2008, Ive met aobut 145 women for a one on one for coffee or more. The majority of them ended politely after the one conversatyion .....i wasnt interested, they werent interested...or we both werent interested.  I ve dated aobut 30 or so of those 145 women three times or more..... some became relationships and lovers. if a woman wants to go to bed with me in the seocnd date...and its happened...rarely...but its happened, it was because there was obvious sexual chemkistry iand I ll  always go out with that woman more....so she doesn think Im a liar or manipulator.   

About a year ago.....El Tiempo published  a survey about dating and sexual behavior among colombians. I remember reading that on the average......a colombian man and woman had sex on the htird date. That s an average base don what I would consider to be an unscientific survey.

My basic premise is that a colombiana will tell me what she expects by her actions and we are lovers its because she wants to be with me...not because there is some arbitrary rule about a number of dates.  I understand the riitual of the conquista  and I ll use some of it.....but also in the first couple of dates I want have a reasonably frank discussion with her....is she looking for a relationship?  What is her life and family situation....what are her expectations?  Has she been hurt by men before (the answer is almost always yes)  And Im open about my life was well.

And my approach while direct, is very gentlemanly and its designed to get to a cut (either by me or by her or both of us) or to see if there is a chance for a relationship.. For me to make a committment.....I look for a woman who wows me...with her intelligence, and I have to find her attractive and desirable....Im not looking for a beauty queen.....not at my age.

Have agood day everyone

Dennis
   

I do have some rules.....if a woman wont hold my hand somewher ein the middle of the second date or kiss me (more then picos) on the third date, I ll have an honest discussion with her...because obvioulsy she doesnt feel any chemistry with me....and that is her privilege.

 

 

 

[fathertime]

Many ladies are cautious about who they sleep with and won't jump into bed with someone so quickly, especially those who have been hurt in the past. In my 6 year Latina quest there were several Latinas who were definately interested in me but didn't give in so quickly. Look at Fathertime's situation- his wife wouldn't even hold his hand for a long time and yet she was obviously very interested in him.

The bottom line is, I don't tnink that newbies should be told "two dates, and you're out". They may pass by some potential life mates if they do.

Hey Zack!

Generally speaking I found that rule to be a good one.  Now in the case of my wife she was an exception obviously.   I could sense that something was there, despite her unwillingness to get too close.  That being said, what it took was for me to say 'no mas' and break it off with her at the end of the 4th or 5th evening...when she started IM'ing me I was convinced to give it 'one last attempt' and that was what it took.  That is a reason why I am a fan of giving 'one last attempt', more so than other posters might be. 

    As it turns out the reason she was so reluctant to get close, is that she has many friends whose stories she had heard about, where the man just wanted sex and then never called back.  She also is an intense people watcher and thought it was ridiculous seeing women in the mall with a guy holding hands, and the next day the guy was in the mall with another gal, holding hands with her...She was determined not to be one of many women that I was 'holding hands' with!  I must say sometimes a little extra patience is what it takes, if a man senses that things are moving in the right direction in other aspects of the early interactions.  It is also quite possible that some of the best marriage-minded women are going to wait a little longer than average.

Fathertime!

[utopiacowboy]

Hey Zack!

Generally speaking I found that rule to be a good one.  Now in the case of my wife she was an exception obviously.   I could sense that something was there, despite her unwillingness to get too close.  That being said, what it took was for me to say 'no mas' and break it off with her at the end of the 4th or 5th evening...when she started IM'ing me I was convinced to give it 'one last attempt' and that was what it took.  That is a reason why I am a fan of giving 'one last attempt', more so than other posters might be. 

    As it turns out the reason she was so reluctant to get close, is that she has many friends whose stories she had heard about, where the man just wanted sex and then never called back.  She also is an intense people watcher and thought it was ridiculous seeing women in the mall with a guy holding hands, and the next day the guy was in the mall with another gal, holding hands with her...She was determined not to be one of many women that I was 'holding hands' with!  I must say sometimes a little extra patience is what it takes, if a man senses that things are moving in the right direction in other aspects of the early interactions.  It is also quite possible that some of the best marriage-minded women are going to wait a little longer than average.

Fathertime!

Very wise, Fathertime.

[Alabamaboy!]

I have had two long term relationships with Colombianas (and several short, and very short ones). And the one that I have fiancee visa papers pending for is the one that  took me about 5 dates for her to sleep with me. The other women took between about 2 hours and 2 dates. So I think that you cannot really go by some of these "rules".

But for sure I think there had better be some pretty heavy preliminary activity going on by the end of the second or third date or your situation does not look very promising.

I think it also makes a difference on how much exposure your woman has had with foreign men. Because if you are the first gringo she has ever met, probably a bit older, speaking a different language she is probably going to be a bit shell shocked for the first date or so.

[Calipro]

Rather than hijack Mudd's thread I thought I'd start a new thread regarding a comment that was made there. It was said that Calipro has a rule that "if a Latina doesn't sleep with you by the second date she isn't that interested in you". It was also said that there exceptions.

It isn't often that I disagree with Calipro but I do about this one. There are so many exceptions to this rule that I cannot actually call it a "rule". My wife and I had sex on the 4th date. Had I followed this advice we wouldn't be married today. That rule doesn't apply to the more marriage-minded, serious ladies in my opinion. Many ladies are cautious about who they sleep with and won't jump into bed with someone so quickly, especially those who have been hurt in the past. In my 6 year Latina quest there were several Latinas who were definately interested in me but didn't give in so quickly. Look at Fathertime's situation- his wife wouldn't even hold his hand for a long time and yet she was obviously very interested in him.

The bottom line is, I don't tnink that newbies should be told "two dates, and you're out". They may pass by some potential life mates if they do.

Actually Zack my original rule of thumb was "if she didn't sleep with me by the THIRD date she was kicked to the curb".

There are exceptions to every rule but it is a good rule of thumb for guys dating women in Cali...you might want to add a date or two for women living in other areas.

It took me eight dates to get my current live in girlfriend in bed....I dated her three times and didn't get anywhere with her although I'll admit she was engaged to be married to another guy at the time...well after the third date I basically sent her a text saying it was nice knowing you and have a good life with your boyfriend....then she started calling me and asking me if I wanted to go out....well since I thought she was the hottest thing in Cali I said "yes" and we went out another 5 times....I basically made it a point just to kiss the hell out of her on every date just to see what would happen and she kept coming back for more until eventually she just gave in.

I even tried sexting (sexual text messages) to see if I could scare her off between dates and that didn't work either. She moved into my place on June 4 and has been with me eversince.

[Alabamaboy!]

Yeah Cali is in it's own catagory. Several times during my trips there, I was pretty sure the girl was not really into me, maybe I was out of my league because they were so beautiful and hot,  that they were just kind of not engaging in the conversation on the first date, and I made the halfhearted request for them to come up to my room and check out some pics of my kids back home. And with all of them, they ended up getting freaky right away.

I would rate it as the number one place to find an extremely hot non pro for a great time. Marriage material? I am not so sure about that. But I only went there a couple times.

[Calipro]

Yeah Cali is in it's own catagory. Several times during my trips there, I was pretty sure the girl was not really into me, maybe I was out of my league because they were so beautiful and hot,  that they were just kind of not engaging in the conversation on the first date, and I made the halfhearted request for them to come up to my room and check out some pics of my kids back home. And with all of them, they ended up getting freaky right away.

I would rate it as the number one place to find an extremely hot non pro for a great time. Marriage material? I am not so sure about that. But I only went there a couple times.

Yeah... I've had guys that didn't speak a lot of spanish ask me "How do I know if the girl what's to spend the night or not". I always told them at the end of the date just got back to your hotel...if she gets out of the cab that is a good indicator....if she goes to your room you are 90% of the way there. Calenas are very practical and realist in that regard....they won't go to your room and sit on your bed just to talk. hahaha!!!

[flipflop]

You're FOS. I met my wife for the first time in Manila PI, we went from the airport to our room and i didnt even get past the first bed before she threw me down and screwed my brains out.

This is the mother of my two children who ive been married to for 8 years and never missed mass on Sunday.

I have had two long term relationships with Colombianas (and several short, and very short ones). And the one that I have fiancee visa papers pending for is the one that  took me about 5 dates for her to sleep with me. The other women took between about 2 hours and 2 dates. So I think that you cannot really go by some of these "rules".

But for sure I think there had better be some pretty heavy preliminary activity going on by the end of the second or third date or your situation does not look very promising.

I think it also makes a difference on how much exposure your woman has had with foreign men. Because if you are the first gringo she has ever met, probably a bit older, speaking a different language she is probably going to be a bit shell shocked for the first date or so.

[Calipro]

You're FOS. I met my wife for the first time in Manila PI, we went from the airport to our room and i didnt even get past the first bed before she threw me down and screwed my brains out.

This is the mother of my two children who ive been married to for 8 years and never missed mass on Sunday.

I have an irrational fear of space aliens and asian women but it's nice to know that your woman is as into sex as much as you are.

[Alabamaboy!]

FOS: That is funny what you wrote about the Philippines. My ex is Filipina and she did exactly that thing in Makati!!! And she was a virgin! Never had met a gringo. And I have two children with her.

I am talking of my experiences in Colombia with this thread though.

[flipflop]

For someone who failed so miserably you dish out alot of adivce.

[Alabamaboy!]

I am not a control freak. I do know that if you are hoping to have a relationship with a beautiful Colombiana and she has 250 guys on her MSN, most of whom are in her hometown,  and you are over here in the States, that the relationship is probably not going to be a smashing success. And why bother when there are manyyyyyy others to choose from.

And about me failing and dishing out advice???  Funny you made that remark, because as it turns out, she was the one who made the mistakes and was the failure and readily admits it. So why don't you STFU and go back to the Asian board and try not to make a clown out of yourself.

[Researcher]

   I never worried that much about the timing of sex.It either happened or it didn't.While I might have been ready,willing and able to do it on the first date I knew not every woman is the same.I just let it happen in its own time.


   Researcher

[flipflop]

You dish out blame like you do advice

These know it all clowns take the bait everytime, cant help themselves

LOL

I am not a control freak. I do know that if you are hoping to have a relationship with a beautiful Colombiana and she has 250 guys on her MSN, most of whom are in her hometown,  and you are over here in the States, that the relationship is probably not going to be a smashing success. And why bother when there are manyyyyyy others to choose from.

And about me failing and dishing out advice???  Funny you made that remark, because as it turns out, she was the one who made the mistakes and was the failure and readily admits it. So why don't you STFU and go back to the Asian board and try not to make a clown out of yourself.

[Alabamaboy!]

Like I said wiseguy, my ex will be the first to admit it was her fault. And in fact she did. I wish I would have kept the letter to show you ( I could have blocked out her name). I don't need to blame anyone.

The board is of value to people who actually do things and what their specific experiences are. If you are married to a Filipina, then that kind of gives you some cred on the Asian board. But unless you have a lot of experiences to draw on from Colombia, your words of wisdom do not carry so much weight.

[Knight11]

So Im curious (ALL POSTERS WELCOME TO REPLY)

Is this board "HOW TO BE LIKE COLOMBIAN MEN AND SCREW GIRLS"

or "HOW TO MEET, DATE, AND MARRY" a colombian woman?

Sounds to me most advice here sounds like people are telling them "Be like the jerk who the women in colombia are trying to AVOID".

I dont know seems odd....

[CROW]

So Im curious (ALL POSTERS WELCOME TO REPLY)

Is this board "HOW TO BE LIKE COLOMBIAN MEN AND SCREW GIRLS"

or "HOW TO MEET, DATE, AND MARRY" a colombian woman?

Sounds to me most advice here sounds like people are telling them "Be like the jerk who the women in colombia are trying to AVOID".

I dont know seems odd....

I can safely say colombian women aren't interested in marrying a guy they wouldnn't screw and american guys should stop screwing around with women that aren't interested in marrying them.  I think that's the whole tread in a nutshell. And I'm in full agreement.

[Dave H]

This is why chaperons used to be a must with many Latin cultures (including the Philippines). I have dealt with many chaperons throughout the years. I think abuelitas are by far the toughfest! But my Volkswagen camper in the school parking lot solved that little obstacle. I never made it to the first official date with many Latinas before...  

Dave

This was the standard layout. I customized mine, with nice fabric, mood lighting and wet bar. I usually drove my Mustang to the girls' houses. If I took the van, I never let on that the rear seat folded into a bed. Forget about 2 seater cars...abuela will find a way to squeeze her fat azz in!

[Dave H]

So Im curious (ALL POSTERS WELCOME TO REPLY)

Is this board "HOW TO BE LIKE COLOMBIAN MEN AND SCREW GIRLS"

or "HOW TO MEET, DATE, AND MARRY" a colombian woman?

Sounds to me most advice here sounds like people are telling them "Be like the jerk who the women in colombia are trying to AVOID".

I dont know seems odd....

Hey Knight11,

After reading this board for over 10 years, I believe it is about all of the above.  

I grew up in several Hispanic cultures (mainly Cuban, Colombian, Puerto Rican).  One thing that I learned is that most Latinos will screw anything with a hole in it ...but look for a virgin to marry. The mythical "Latin Lover"...many Latinos I know  use Tiger Balm on their pingas so they don't shoot their loads in their pants. Unfortunately, ladies they  shag are always asking them why their mouths and other spots are getting numb and tingly.

Dave

Thank God my parents always bought us soap-on-a-rope for PE class! Proof that there really is a God! Bugarons hated soap-on-a-rope! Some of them would cut a guys rope with sissors while their soap hung in their locker with the door open. I think some of the future gays were probably using "soap on a bungee" since they were still in the closet...  I remember in school we had guys called "Chupateresa," "Maricon," "Mariposa," "Pato," "Pollo," "Puto," "Singao," and "Ojo de Culo." 

[Dave H]

You're FOS. I met my wife for the first time in Manila PI, we went from the airport to our room and i didnt even get past the first bed before she threw me down and screwed my brains out.

FOS: That is funny what you wrote about the Philippines. My ex is Filipina and she did exactly that thing in Makati!!! And she was a virgin! Never had met a gringo. And I have two children with her.

Hmmm...must be a Tagalog thing! They probably do have the most Spanish compared to the rest of the islands.   Maybe you guys should compare names...   Seriously, so nobody who goes to the Philippines gets disappointed or feels unloved...this is not typical Filipina behavior...at least not until things get very serious or after marriage...then LOOK OUT MAN!


Dave

[Researcher]

    Hey Dave nice van!!

   Researcher

[Pivery]

 Hey Dave, that van is almost as cool as the dog van from the movie 'Dumb and Dumber'!!!

 Pivery