Strike Gold in Honduras

[bcc_1_2]

I thought I'd take the time to post this before I get to busy and never get to it. I've been to Costa Rica, Mexico, Colombia, and Honduras. I met stunning young ladies in all 4 countries.

In Costa Rica gringos have a bad rep for over promising and under delivering. The average tica has caught on to gringos promising the moon and then leaving never to return. So unless she's a party girl (or pro) she is going to move really slow.

I've actually got good things to say about Monterrey, Mexico. This is a really great budget option for younger guys. Carpool down to Laredo and snag a $20 bus ride. In the Barrio Antiguo there is a nice hotel/hostel and you can get private rooms or shared rooms for you and friends (wifi, A/C, hot water, very clean). If two guys are willing to share a room it would run around $20 and you'd be right in the heart of the nightlife.

I got a special deal for my hotel in Cali because of a buddy who works for the hotel chain. I definitely was down with the higher end hotel with the security. I was always a little on edge there. You hear it all the time... great place to girl hunt... horrible place to live. I agree. I will say the mall was full of hunnies. [snip] the whole damn city was.

I came really close to going back for a girl, but I ended up deciding against it and went to Honduras.

There is some downside to Colombia. Outside of Cartagena I'm not sure there would be many cities I'd want to spend a lot of time in (your future wife might have a different view of visiting her hometown). A life is worth a lot less down there as we all know.

The agency culture and flocking gringos shows a negative impact. Seriously, just walk around the mall in Cali. Some of those guys. Chasing girls way too young and immature, buying them all sorts of things, and just observing a lot of them annoyed me some. Generally I'd say guys go overseas because they are unsatisfied with what previous relationships have yielded. But Cali must be where the social misfits gather.

Honduras is a fairly short trip with one layover. Generally it costs less (sometimes a lot less) than flying to Colombia. Real estate is cheap. The one major downside is the government, but on a positive note the State Department has just lifted the travel alert.

The stereotype seems to be Colombia is full of stunners and Central America (Honduras) is full of wide bodied uggos. One trip to La Ceiba will destroy that stereotype.  Less is more on the beach ladies. 

No question San Pedro Sula and Tegucigalpa (never been to Tegucigalpa) are plenty dangerous. I had that same feeling in the pit of my stomach in San Pedro Sula as I did in Cali. But at least I could snag a cab and hit the coast which is much safer (and has english speaking tourist police).

If you've tried the agencies and paid personals for Colombia in the past and would like to try something new... I'd go with Honduras.

Your average beach girl in Honduras has not planned and plotted for an American. Nobody ever told her to take him shopping to buy her stuff (love). She's certainly had plenty of local male attention, but gringos aren't flocking to her (and her friends) and ruining them.

Honduran women have extremely low expectations (especially compared to gringas). You buy them an inexpensive dinner (by our standards), get them a few drinks, treat them nicely, and dance with them and they are sold.

 

[sean126]

Good post.  I laughed at the part about "social misfits".  Good read and info.

[fathertime]

Let’s see if it is possible to challenge points here without it automatically become a flame.  Why all the dissing of Colombia?  More importantly, why would you become ‘annoyed’ with men going after younger college aged ladies?

I got a special deal for my hotel in Cali because of a buddy who works for the hotel chain. I definitely was down with the higher end hotel with the security. I was always a little on edge there. You hear it all the time... great place to girl hunt... horrible place to live. I agree. I will say the mall was full of hunnies. [snip] the whole damn city was.

I came really close to going back for a girl, but I ended up deciding against it and went to Honduras.

There is some downside to Colombia. Outside of Cartagena I'm not sure there would be many cities I'd want to spend a lot of time in (your future wife might have a different view of visiting her hometown). A life is worth a lot less down there as we all know.

The agency culture and flocking gringos shows a negative impact. Seriously, just walk around the mall in Cali. Some of those guys. Chasing girls way too young and immature, buying them all sorts of things, and just observing a lot of them annoyed me some. Generally I'd say guys go overseas because they are unsatisfied with what previous relationships have yielded. But Cali must be where the social misfits gather.

Regarding your observations, you have been to Cali how many times? Maybe once for a few days in a “higher end hotel” with  “security”?  You say you observed men buying younger ladies ‘all sorts of things’. Is this just something you are regurgitating from other posts, because unless you were spending your time following these men around I don’t see how you could have made this observation and know the particulars/details of what was actually going on.   I’ve been to Cali on quite a few occasions and I was usually busy interacting with young women but when I wasn’t I did not see these ‘flocking gringos’.  I was lucky if I saw 3-4 other ‘gringos’ on an entire trip, but then again I wasn’t staying in ‘higher end hotels’ either.  In my observations I've noted there are a % of men that are in Cali for cheap sex and that is all they seem to be interested in, but I've learned that that does not make them people that I need to be annoyed with. 

The info on Honduras and Mexico is interesting enough and you seem pretty happy with the scene, which is wonderful.  I’m sure you can provide valuable information to a newbie that is interested in that area.

DISCLAIMER:  While I don't agree with some of your points, this is NOT a flame so try to take it in the spirit of conversation over a beer.

Fathertime!

[bcc_1_2]

Let’s see if it is possible to challenge points here without it automatically become a flame.  Why all the dissing of Colombia?  More importantly, why would you become ‘annoyed’ with men going after younger college aged ladies?



Regarding your observations, you have been to Cali how many times? Maybe once for a few days in a “higher end hotel” with  â€œsecurity”?  

You say you observed men buying younger ladies ‘all sorts of things’. Is this just something you are regurgitating from other posts, because unless you were spending your time following these men around I don’t see how you could have made this observation and know the particulars/details of what was actually going on.  

I’ve been to Cali on quite a few occasions and I was usually busy interacting with young women but when I wasn’t I did not see these ‘flocking gringos’.  I was lucky if I saw 3-4 other ‘gringos’ on an entire trip, but then again I wasn’t staying in ‘higher end hotels’ either.

Plenty of gringos at the Sheraton. You see them at the mall (might depend a little on the time of year?). Most of my conversations with the "flock" happened at the hotel. But if you haven't seen a gringo out on a shopping trip at the mall your eyes weren't open. Surely they do come down for cheap sex also, but I've heard Medellin takes the cake P4P. I went down for much longer than a few days on a trip that was extended due to a very beautiful woman. Despite the high end lodging I was out on La Sexta Avenida and did meet and dance with some stunning chicas. I just didn't feel comfortable walking around outside... especially at night.

There is no reason for a 2nd trip to Cali as I'm getting married. I can't see myself going to any city in Colombia outside of Cartagena anytime in my future. But in 24 hours I won't be the only one around here with opinions on if/when/where to travel... so who knows if I'll ever go back.

Clearly the two of us hit a generational (certainly a social) gap. It is ignored by the men often in Cali. The agency regulars in Cali are just out for a free dinner and some free stuff in a lot of cases. The difference is if I'm taking them out and ask them about it they'll generally be honest about it. To the older man buying their dinner and their shopping items... they aren't going to tell them that.

[fathertime]

The agency regulars in Cali are just out for a free dinner and some free stuff in a lot of cases. The difference is if I'm taking them out and ask them about it they'll generally be honest about it. To the older man buying their dinner and their shopping items... they aren't going to tell them that.

Greetings bCc,

Clearly there are ladies that are usually looking for supper and shopping, I'm not denying that, hell I've had experienced that a few times.  The vast majority of those ladies could still be had if the right man came along, the question then becomes is she worth having.   

I find some of your logic above faulty though.  To paraphrase, you are saying the ladies are going to tell you that they are only going out for supper & goodies but they are not going to tell the older man.  Do you think you are so special that you can melt these women into telling you everything and that the older man is incapable of obtaining the same information?   #1 You don't know exactly what they are telling the older man. #2 The older man may not find it productive to ask, as he can ascertain what is going on without asking.

I realize that there are some men who are caught of guard and buy something for a gal that they later regret, in the scheme of things buying something for a gal that has fooled you is not that big a deal and certainly not worth a 3rd party (you in this case) to be annoyed about. 
Now remember we are just talking here over a beer! So what did you find annoying and how do you define the term 'social misfit'?  That phrase could mean a lot of things, and I would like to understand your initial post better.
Thanks,
Fathertime!    

[Researcher]

   Great post BCC. I lived near Monterrey Mexico in a small city called Saltillo and spent alot of time there(Monterrey).You are correct about it being a place to consider for women.Alot of hotties there.Cali,Colombia was my first visit to Colombia. I liked it myself but you have some valid points also. I think something that comes from your thread is that Colombia isn't for everybody. I'm glad you found your lady in Honduras.I always enjoy reading threads about many different countries.



 Researcher

[bcc_1_2]

  Do you think you are so special that you can melt these women into telling you everything and that the older man is incapable of obtaining the same information? 

Short answer... Yes. Long answer every situation is different. But women in Colombia have tried to take advantage of you financially (as you've said yourself). I can't say the same.

But that's what is so good about Honduras. Pretty girls that haven't be taught to take advantage of serious minded guys coming down to meet them.

Researcher,

Monterrey is great for educated and pretty Mexican girls. But if you want a shot with them you've got to be in decent shape, dress with some style, be willing to dance some, know how to flirt, etc. That easy attention you might have gotten in Cali (especially if you are trying to play way out of your league) is long gone.

[fathertime]

Short answer... Yes. Long answer every situation is different. But women in Colombia have tried to take advantage of you financially (as you've said yourself). I can't say the same.

Greetings again bCc,

Thanks for your explanation regarding how you believe all the ladies you have met have interacted with you.  In early male/female interactions I oftentimes assume women parrot lines of what they think the man wants to hear and since you are young it would make you more comfortable to hear about those silly old guys. It reminds me of the lines older guys hear about a woman liking maturity, experience, and stability, which is usually a knock on younger men.  I happen to believe that the woman run the spectrum and nobody can pull any information out of every woman and it is a little silly for a person to think they can.     

 You forgot to mention what it was that you meant by the 'social misfits' in Cali, and why you were annoyed with some of the other guys you were observing.  Would you prefer to not clarify these issues?  At this point it is a little fuzzy to me. 

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

   BCC, Regarding Monterrey I was there over a decade ago so I was younger and in much better shape than now physically so no problem getting the chicas.Guadalajara was another place I enjoyed. Anyone that likes tequila would enjoy taking a train,called the Tequila Express, to tour where it is made.The trip itself is just a big party.
      

     Researcher

[bcc_1_2]

 
 You forgot to mention what it was that you meant by the 'social misfits' in Cali, and why you were annoyed with some of the other guys you were observing.  Would you prefer to not clarify these issues?  At this point it is a little fuzzy to me. 

Simple. When men behave that way it creates a self perpetuating cycle. That girl who just got a new cell phone on her first "date" tells all her friends.

As for my social misfits remark... because of the reputation Cali has it attracts social misfits. Seriously if you are lacking social skills (AKA Game) what city are you going to Medellin or Cali? What's the stigma for the ladies signing up for agencies in both cities?

And I'm all about the tequila btw. Patron! Only 100% agave for me.

[RK]

Just curious...what kind of reputation does Cali have? Sounds like a green question, but seriously, I don't have a clue.

[bcc_1_2]

Just curious...what kind of reputation does Cali have? Sounds like a green question, but seriously, I don't have a clue.

CaliPro is the guy to ask (PM). It is a city with very friendly and beautiful women. I'd suspect (I was 14 or 15 at the time so wasn't of interest) in the late 90s it was at a peak for drawing men down for tours/ marriage agencies etc.

Its like when the gross old man is going down walking street in Pattaya and the young girls shout "hey handsome man". These ladies have learned to act attracted to men they probably aren't because it is their job (as a hooker). Well in Cali I'd say they are pro daters. Meaning they give a similar guy the same treatment on his wifehunt so he'll buy her expensive things (by similar treatment I mean acting interested and giving the guy a bunch of attention... physical actions don't always or even usually need be involved).

With the agency/tour scene down there having been so successful over the years this methodology has been conditioned into the chica population to a degree.

With that being said there are certainly many honest and sincere ladies in Cali who aren't pro daters. And certainly many would be interested in a man with an age gap. But you can't ignore the amount of pro dating there either.

[fathertime]

Simple. When men behave that way it creates a self perpetuating cycle. That girl who just got a new cell phone on her first "date" tells all her friends.

As for my social misfits remark... because of the reputation Cali has it attracts social misfits. Seriously if you are lacking social skills (AKA Game) what city are you going to Medellin or Cali? What's the stigma for the ladies signing up for agencies in both cities?

And I'm all about the tequila btw. Patron! Only 100% agave for me.

bCc,

#1  I'm still not following you here about the 'social misfits'.  My question is who are these social misfits, what makes them a social misfit??

#2  From what I can gather you were annoyed with men that gave cell phones or other items to their 'date' after the first meeting.  This annoyed you because you felt it set up a cycle of stupidity that could eventually put you in a position where you are asked for something inappropriately?  Based on what you said earlier about your prowless, my impression is that you have nothing to worry about on this front because the ladies always tell you (in particular) the truth.  Now for the regular laysperson, having a lady ask for something inappropriate is actually a good thing, since those men with common sense are able to eliminate these ladies from their dating card after date one, so it is actually a cost & time saver.   I really don't think there is any need to be annoyed about it in the least.

 Fathertime!

[bcc_1_2]

bCc,

#1  I'm still not following you here about the 'social misfits'.  My question is who are these social misfits, what makes them a social misfit??

#2 This annoyed you because you felt it set up a cycle of stupidity that could eventually put you in a position where you are asked for something inappropriately? 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Socially%20Retarded

There is the Urban Dictionary for being socially retarded. The tales of the agency scene hook such guys who research it on the net. They aren't stupid... they are going to Cali over MED for a reason. They can be really intelligent... just not good with women or social situations.

As for point number two I suppose anything is possible. To sum it up I'd just say it is a bad practice to indoctrinate into the local culture. I see plenty of poor behavior out of friends g/fs and wives that I find annoying and yet it has nothing to do with me. Just because I find something annoying doesn't mean it applies to me or has anything to do with me.

It is pretty obvious you don't like the fact I clearly state young men have an advantage. And in latin america... with other young women... they generally do. That's life man. In 10 or 15 years the next generation will have the same edge on me. That's just how it works.

[jm21-2]

It is pretty obvious you don't like the fact I clearly state young men have an advantage. And in latin america... with other young women... they generally do. That's life man. In 10 or 15 years the next generation will have the same edge on me. That's just how it works.

That's true in any country. When I went to China there was some concern because I looked older in pictures than I am. If I actually was older said concerns would almost certainly not have been voiced.

[Capstone]

Quote from: bcc_1_2 on Today at 03:16:36 AM
It is pretty obvious you don't like the fact I clearly state young men have an advantage. And in latin america... with other young women... they generally do. That's life man. In 10 or 15 years the next generation will have the same edge on me. That's just how it works.

That's true in any country. When I went to China there was some concern because I looked older in pictures than I am. If I actually was older said concerns would almost certainly not have been voiced.

I would have to disagree with you guys on this one. In China I would say that a young guy in their early to mid 20s would have a decided disadvantage over someone who is in their 30s. Most Chinese would think that a guy in their early 20s would not be a very good choice for marriage - someone a bit older would offer more stability. Chinese men are expected to establish themselves both professionally and financially before marriage - this is especially true in urban areas. A guy in their early 20s would be a very hard sale to most Chinese parents. In fact Chinese law prevents men who are under 22 from even getting married. Now I am not saying that old guys in China have an advantage over young guys but I think that someone in their 30s would have an advantage over someone in their 20s - but once a guy reaches his 40s that advantage quickly fades.

[jm21-2]

I agree they want a guy who is somewhat established, but disagree that puts a guy in his early 20's at a disadvantage. I have a higher net worth than the average 50-year old and I imagine BCC does as well. It's not very hard. Based on my experience I am an extremely easy sell to parents. I've never even thought about trying to impress parents, no matter where they're from. They see a young well-mannered professional guy who treats their daughter well and it's basically an instant thumbs up.

[Capstone]

I agree they want a guy who is somewhat established, but disagree that puts a guy in his early 20's at a disadvantage. I have a higher net worth than the average 50-year old and I imagine BCC does as well. It's not very hard. Based on my experience I am an extremely easy sell to parents. I've never even thought about trying to impress parents, no matter where they're from. They see a young well-mannered professional guy who treats their daughter well and it's basically an instant thumbs up.

On average and in most cases a guy in his 30s is going to be much better established than someone in his early 20s. How many guys in their early 20s who are fresh out of college own their own home, have enough money saved up to pay for a big wedding, can buy their wife a new car, etc? All of these things are important to Chinese parents when it comes to giving their daughter permission to marry a guy. My wife's best friend's husband got rejected by her parents the first time that he asked them for permission to marry their daughter because he did not yet own a home - he had to wait several more years before he could afford to buy a home and then received the parent's permission (BTW - he was then in his early 30s when they married).

Jm - you said that you think that you are an easy sell to parents but I don't think that you have ever asked for permission to marry someone's daughter. You may be surprised about the grilling that you will receive if you ever do ask a Chinese parent for their permission to marry their daughter - LOL!!!

[jm21-2]

I suppose it depends how desperate they are for grandkids .

But seriously, I'm looking at houses that were assessed at close to $300k and asking in the low $200s in this market, I could buy a new car in cash if I wanted to (I most certainly don't want to...horrible investment)...and I've had plenty of people laugh at me for having such a low paying job at my age. I know guys who were making $50+k/year in their teens and never went to college. I have no idea what the average is but most professional guys I know have set goals of at least being in the six digits by the time they're 30.

The Taiwanese girl I'm going to meet works for a fortune 500 company and is very serious about paying her share of expenses (she's already shelled out several hundred bucks) so that's a new experience for me and I have no clue what to expect.

[Capstone]

I suppose it depends how desperate they are for grandkids .

But seriously, I'm looking at houses that were assessed at close to $300k and asking in the low $200s in this market, I could buy a new car in cash if I wanted to (I most certainly don't want to...horrible investment)...and I've had plenty of people laugh at me for having such a low paying job at my age. I know guys who were making $50+k/year in their teens and never went to college. I have no idea what the average is but most professional guys I know have set goals of at least being in the six digits by the time they're 30.

The Taiwanese girl I'm going to meet works for a fortune 500 company and is very serious about paying her share of expenses (she's already shelled out several hundred bucks) so that's a new experience for me and I have no clue what to expect.

Yea but you are talking about the exception rather than the norm. Home ownership for those 25 and under is around 20% but jumps up to around 60% for the 30-35 crowd - and mind you most that do own homes are duel income households. I bought my first home when I was 25 and still single but everyone of my friends who were the same age and single were still living in apartments - I had friends the same age who also did own homes but they were married and living off of a duel income. And come on, how many teenagers are actually pulling down $50+K/yr - I would say less than 1%. Sure there are some young single guys out there that own nice expensive homes and pull in a sizable salary but those numbers are compounded greatly when it comes to the 30-40 crowd.

I have laid out my reasons why I believe in China that a younger guy would not have an advantage over someone who is in their 30s and in fact believe that they would be at a slight disadvantage. Can you tell me why you think that younger guys would have an advantage in China?

[fathertime]

Greetings bCc

Now that you have defined ‘social misfit’ a little better I can say that I also saw some men in Cali that were socially awkward.   That being said, I wouldn’t call it a gathering of social misfits or define the gringos that go to Cali in that way.

It is pretty obvious you don't like the fact I clearly state young men have an advantage. And in latin america... with other young women... they generally do. That's life man. In 10 or 15 years the next generation will have the same edge on me. That's just how it works

Point two

It is a given the USA younger women are usually attracted to men around their age.  No dispute there it is better to be young.  That edge is narrowed if not completely wiped out in coutries like Colombia.  It is not that ‘I’m angry with the fact that you said young men had an advantage’ it is that I disagree with the statement that you insist is a fact. 

I hold that thee ladies are very happy to trade away a man’s youth for a man who will be more prepared to provide stability, wisdom, and a comfortable life.    More often an older man is better prepared to do these things.

I realize that you are prepared to come back with something like  “SOME young people (like me) can provide all of that and I’m young and beautiful.  You can save your keystrokes, that may be true but that would be an extreme minority of young men and many women will choose not to take that gamble.  Look at Tiger Woods, he appeared to have it all together when he married at around 26 years old or so.  Many women from Colombia intuitively know how younger men can be and would rather place a safer bet on an older man.  I’m generalizing here as older men also have issues with infidelity in particular, but I am guessing you will see my point.   


Fathetime!

[jm21-2]

Yea but you are talking about the exception rather than the norm. Home ownership for those 25 and under is around 20% but jumps up to around 60% for the 30-35 crowd - and mind you most that do own homes are duel income households. I bought my first home when I was 25 and still single but everyone of my friends who were the same age and single were still living in apartments - I had friends the same age who also did own homes but they were married and living off of a duel income. And come on, how many teenagers are actually pulling down $50+K/yr - I would say less than 1%. Sure there are some young single guys out there that own nice expensive homes and pull in a sizable salary but those numbers are compounded greatly when it comes to the 30-40 crowd.

I have laid out my reasons why I believe in China that a younger guy would not have an advantage over someone who is in their 30s and in fact believe that they would be at a slight disadvantage. Can you tell me why you think that younger guys would have an advantage in China?

I believe the home ownership figures also have to do with the fact that there are not many good reasons for a single guy or a DINK couple to own the typical 3bd/2ba house. I wouldn't be looking if it weren't such a great market right now and it would be nice to have it as separate property...I really have no need of one at the moment though and am dreading the idea of having so much square footage to clean, maintenance, etc.

The girls I've talked with do not like the idea of large age gaps, despite some having parents with large age gaps. Like I said, the girl's mom whom I met in China (BTW, 20+ year age gap between her and her husband) really liked the fact that I was young and had been worried because she thought I looked old in the pics I sent (probably the beard). I have also seen at least one Chinese tv series where there was a girl who fell in love with a guy 20ish years older than her and it was considered shocking, so I imagine that dislike of age gaps is fairly normal there, at least for young girls.

[Capstone]

I believe the home ownership figures also have to do with the fact that there are not many good reasons for a single guy or a DINK couple to own the typical 3bd/2ba house. I wouldn't be looking if it weren't such a great market right now and it would be nice to have it as separate property...I really have no need of one at the moment though and am dreading the idea of having so much square footage to clean, maintenance, etc.

The girls I've talked with do not like the idea of large age gaps, despite some having parents with large age gaps. Like I said, the girl's mom whom I met in China (BTW, 20+ year age gap between her and her husband) really liked the fact that I was young and had been worried because she thought I looked old in the pics I sent (probably the beard). I have also seen at least one Chinese tv series where there was a girl who fell in love with a guy 20ish years older than her and it was considered shocking, so I imagine that dislike of age gaps is fairly normal there, at least for young girls.

You have to be kidding about there not being too many good reasons for a single guy to buy a house right? I make a lot more money off my rental properties than I do from my day job - my first home that I ever bought was one of the best investments that I ever made in my life. 

Who said anything about large age gaps? The fact is, is that in urban areas in China the average marriage age is almost 30 - so a guy in his 30s is in his prime and highly sought after. My arguement is that guys in their 30s have an advantage but that advantage starts to fade once 40 rolls around. I just don't see how someone in their 20s would have any sort of distinct advantage over a guy in their 30s.

[jm21-2]

Well sure it depends on how old the girl is. If you're talking about a girl in her late 20's or early 30's I'm sure she'd have a preference for a guy a little older than her and well established. I was thinking more in the early 20 age range (that I'm looking in) in which case I think a guy say in his mid-20s is going to be more appealing than a guy in his mid-30s. Do you remember how old 30 seemed when you were 20? It wouldn't be a huge advantage. My original point was that a guy in his 20s is not at a disadvantage. I suppose it depends on the girl and what she's looking for in marriage.

As far as real estate being a good investment, I think it depends on where you live. Where I live you may be able to cover a mortgage payment with rent money, but then you have to pay taxes, maintenance, etc. It just doesn't seem worth it here. I get into a lot of people's finances due to my work and I'm not sure I've ever seen someone whose rent covered the mortgage, but have seen some people with second mortgages that paid for tenant damage. Right now the market is great though so I figure it's a pretty decent investment at this point.

[fathertime]

There could be a gem in a given situation, but I would think twice about buying a house in this market.  The interest rates are low but the declines are not over in most areas.  The longer you wait the lower the prices are likely to head, in my opinion.  The interest rates will be going up but this should be offset by the general pricing decreases. 

Capstone, I was into rentals as well although I sold most everything in late 2005.  Passive income was great at the time, but I chose the one time payout instead.   In what state are you owning rentals? 

Fathertime!