Is it difficult to get my Fiance & 3 children to the USA?

[hotoilmassage]

I have a beautiful Fiance' in Costa Rica. We want to marry and I am formally asking her later this month. She has 3 children all under 18 and I have one here in the U.S. I adore children and have made it clear I would not abandon hers down there. The Fathers are all NOT PRESENT in the children s lives. Her sister and Aunt take care of them and she pays support to them. The only time they contact her to give her money is in the hopes of having sex HOW PATHETIC. Anyway, I understand that as me, an American, I can marry here there and get a Fiance VISA and she can come here and we have 90 days to marry, correct? Well what about her children? Do I petition the EMBASSY or her courts to get them here as well? I cannot afford an expensive attorney and thought someone there on this site might know. I APPRECIATE ANY ADVICE, thanks and PURA VIDA!

[bcc_1_2]

As long as your relationship is legit you'll be able to get them in (in theory). I'm not schooled on this as my girl doesn't have any kids. The expensive part could be getting the Dad(s) out of the picture.

I'm sure someone who has been in this situation will come along and dish advice. But if a tico finds out a gringo wants to marry his ex (g/f... wife) and take the kids he probably won't have a problem with it. But I'd bet his hand will be out. If you can get the dude(s) to waive their parental rights to get out of child support before they figure out she's marrying a gringo... that seems the cheapest lol.

[hotoilmassage]

THANKS FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE!
Well I can tell you that the only time he comes to see her is not that much and he just wants sex and brings her a little money for the child.
She refuses to have any sort of relationship with him including sex (or so she says!) but I trust her.

Her sister cares for her child and I have never met the Father.
But her has no job, drinks and is what we call here in the U.S. a 'DEADBEAT FATHER".
So how can a Tico with no job and a drinking problem take the kids from her if they are with her sister?
BTW she pays her sister each month for their support, so she is trying to be a good mother.
Me, I am not perfect but own 3 businesses here and can support their entire family.
Again thanks and if anyone has advice I thank them in advance

[Capstone]

I Anyway, I understand that as me, an American, I can marry here there and get a Fiance VISA and she can come here and we have 90 days to marry, correct?

No this is incorrect - if you want to petition for a K-1 fiance visa then you can not marry her in Costa Rica, you would just marry her once in the US. And yes, you would have 90 days after she enters the US to get married. If you want to marry her in Costa Rica then you will need to petition for a K-3 or CR-1 spousal visa instead. Whether you choose to go for a fiance or spousal visa you will also have to petition for each of her kids to get a visa as well. One thing to note is that you will need to meet the Poverty Guidelines for a family of 6 in order to successfully petition for the visas - you will have to meet 100% of the guidelines to obtain a visa but will ultimately need to meet 125% of the guidelines in order to obtain green cards for them - currently 125% of the Poverty Guidelines for a family of 6 is $36,912.

[william3rd]

I got just a few questions- 3 children? One father? What is her stated occupation? Meet her through an MOB?

[hotoilmassage]

this is incorrect?
i THOUGHT IF i MARRIED her in Costa Rica that she AUTOMATICALLY could get a FIANCE VISA and leave with me.
Some more details of this urgency.
She is living in a bad neighborhood of San jose.
She has been date raped and she is not a strong enough person to fight back and I cannot do that 3000 miles away.
She says that the Fathers (2 different) do NOT support the children in any way.
So they are deadbeats as far as I am concerned.
i aam not wealthy but I am doing ok, I can take her from that and she wants that.

So do I marry her FIRST in Costa Rica and then her in America?
Or petition for the Visa (which takes a long time?) and wait it out?
Any adive is appreciated.
I want to petition for the kids also because no kid should not have a fther (or guiding father) in their life.

THREE Children 3 fathers and yes she made some mistakes we all have.
She is unemployed, she does massage but no sex and she is living week to week, maybe day to day as she is not doing well financially.
now before I get flamed here, yes I may be naive and eyes WIDE OPEN but I spent 9 days with her and being an ex New Yorker, I know she wants out of
her situation
and what is a MOB?
Thanks william3rd and GO REDSKINS (as pathetic as that sounds!)

[Capstone]

this is incorrect?
i THOUGHT IF i MARRIED her in Costa Rica that she AUTOMATICALLY could get a FIANCE VISA and leave with me.
Some more details of this urgency.
She is living in a bad neighborhood of San jose.
She has been date raped and she is not a strong enough person to fight back and I cannot do that 3000 miles away.
She says that the Fathers (2 different) do NOT support the children in any way.
So they are deadbeats as far as I am concerned.
i aam not wealthy but I am doing ok, I can take her from that and she wants that.

So do I marry her FIRST in Costa Rica and then her in America?
Or petition for the Visa (which takes a long time?) and wait it out?
Any adive is appreciated.
I want to petition for the kids also because no kid should not have a fther (or guiding father) in their life.

THREE Children 3 fathers and yes she made some mistakes we all have.
She is unemployed, she does massage but no sex and she is living week to week, maybe day to day as she is not doing well financially.
now before I get flamed here, yes I may be naive and eyes WIDE OPEN but I spent 9 days with her and being an ex New Yorker, I know she wants out of
her situation
and what is a MOB?
Thanks william3rd and GO REDSKINS (as pathetic as that sounds!)

The visa process is not a quick and easy thing - it normally takes anywhere from 6-9 months to get a fiance or spouse to the US after submitting the petition. No matter which visa you choose she can not just join you immediately in the US.

If you want to go the fiance visa route then you can not marry her prior to her entering the US - fiance visas are only issued to unmarried women/men who intend to get married in the US to the original petitioner. The fiance actually has to prove that they are single and eligible to get married before a fiance visa can be issued.

[Ray]

Yes an American citizen can petition a fiancée for a visa.

No you cannot marry before she comes over on a fiancée visa.

Yes the children can accompany your fiancée if they are under 21.

No you do not need to petition each child separately. One fiancée petition covers them all.

Yes you are being naive and yes you should dump her... 

Ray

[hotoilmassage]

To Ray!

"Yes you are being naive and yes you should dump her...  Grin"

Why say that? Did you meet her? did you spend 9 days with her? just curious but thanks for the other answers, I appreciate it.

[jm21-2]

A mostly unemployed woman who does massages, three children, desperate to get out, living in poverty.....I'm not sure there could be any more red flags. 9 days is not nearly enough to get to know someone.

[Ray]

Why say that?

“THREE Children 3 fathers…”

“The Fathers… The only time they contact her to give her money is in the hopes of having sex…”

“…the only time he comes to see her is not that much and he just wants sex and brings her a little money for the child.

“She refuses to have any sort of relationship with him including sex (or so she says!) but I trust her.”

“She says that the Fathers (2 different) do NOT support the children in any way.”

“She is unemployed, she does massage but no sex”

 â€œI know she wants out of her situation”

And finally:  “…yes I may be naïve…”

You said it, so I was only confirming your suspicions.

Wake up man!

Ray

[michaelb]

Yeah, exactly what Ray said, on ALL counts. I have experience in this, I was married to a Tica for 16 years and two kids. Actually, we met in the US, she had been here on a student visa and a multiple entry tourist visa, she had about 7 years in the US and a BA from a major US university before I even met her. We got married here and did AOS (Adjustment Of Status) from her tourist visa to LPR, she's been a citizen for several years and we've been divorced for several years also...

I also have experience bringing in children (well, one anyway) as a derivative (i.e. dependent child) of a fiancee..... If all goes well, the Fiancee will be issued K-1 visa and her children will be issued K-2 visas. I'm not sure about Costa Rica, but Colombia (and I suspect many other countries) won't let the children leave without the other parent's permission.....which, "involved, loving father" or not, could cause you considerable grief if he they want money, revenge or just plain try to be a colon about it.   

What ever you do, it's going to take six months (more or less, took nine in my case back in 2003) to get the visas.

MOB stands for Mail Order Bride, or in the context of William's question, an MOB agency, that is, a commercial concern intending to match people for the purpose of romance and eventual marriage. The United States (in their infinite meddling, er, wisdom) has laws concerning meeting foreigners through these agencies. Not that you aren't allowed to do so, but there is a protocol which must be followed if you do. 

Oh, I see while I was typing, jm21-2 added his two cents worth.....and he's dead on right.

[hotoilmassage]

to jm21-2
Yes I agree in part with you, but we have been in touch for months before that and we talk and email and CHAT daily.
But you are correct and and the red flags are there, but she did not ask me for anything I offered at all.
She does live in poverty and I am trying to get her away from that, I met one of her children and got along well.

[hotoilmassage]

RAY I wake up every day and smell the coffee.
But you can be assured I take what you say with respect.

and the

Sounds lik eyou have a nice woman, I do also, and she will be here I know it.
I am 48 and a little naive' but been around cons a lot and she is not one, she is a loving lady and wants to be here with me and her children.
As far as the parents permission I am curious on why a father not even in the childs life has ANY rights when the SISTER of my Fiance' has been providing for them?
You mean to tell me that a man who pays NO SUPPORT whatsoever can step in and block this?
Does not sound fair to me at all.
but then again life is not fair, look at the redskins Saints game. LOL!

And no she is not a MOB (thanks for the clarification)
and...
 jm21-2 "added his two cents worth.....and he's dead on right. "
maybe correct, only time will tell.
And to jm21-2: I sense you are a Veteran, if so THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY!

[michaelb]

As far as the parents permission I am curious on why a father not even in the childs life has ANY rights when the SISTER of my Fiance' has been providing for them?
You mean to tell me that a man who pays NO SUPPORT whatsoever can step in and block this?

You're not in Kansas anymore, this is Latin America.

[william3rd]

this is incorrect?
i THOUGHT IF i MARRIED her in Costa Rica that she AUTOMATICALLY could get a FIANCE VISA and leave with me. NO- NOT THE CASE



So do I marry her FIRST in Costa Rica and then her in America? IF YOU MARRY THERE, YOU CAN I130/K3 BACK HERE. TAKES A FEW MONTHS
Or petition for the Visa (which takes a long time?) and wait it out?

I want to petition for the kids also because no kid should not have a fther (or guiding father) in their life. STEPKIDS ARE K4s

She is unemployed, she does massage but no sex  THIS CONCERNS ME AND MAY CONCERN THE CONSULATE AS WELL WHICH IS WHY I ASKED ABOUT EMPLOYMENT.
yes I may be naive and eyes WIDE OPEN- THAT'S OK- YOU ARE A BIG BOY AND CAN LIVE WITH YOUR DECISIONS GOOD OR BAD. New Yorker, I know she wants out of
her situation. THEY ALL WANT OUT OF THEIR SITUATION

FIRST
and what is a MOB?
Thanks william3rd and GO REDSKINS (as pathetic as that sounds!) AS A RAIDER FAN I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR PATHOS. . . . .

[bcc_1_2]

Ah when a monger and puta fall in love. Hell even if you are naive and not a monger or naive and a monger you better take this advice real fast.

A massage "therapist"  in San Jose (unless she works at a top end hotel) comes with a happy ending. And for the right price anything else you want. with or sans condom. Don't believe me? Send a friend in with $40 bucks worth of CRC and see what happens.

Right now you are being gamed... as these women in this industry are taught very well exactly how to play on your heart strings and take advantage of the lonely and or clueless gringo. RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously read what happens to men that do this!

[jm21-2]

Nope, not a veteran, not sure where you got that from.

Listen to BCC if you can.

Having to get the non-custodial parent's permission causes problems even in the US. You normally need both parents permission to get a passport or go out of country, even for a vacation. Of course it prevents a whole lot more problems than it creates.

[sean126]

Ray, you're being too hard on the guy.  Didn't you see where he spent 9 whole days with her?  counting nights too...that's like, almost 3 whole weeks!  Give the poor guy a break.
 

[hotoilmassage]

to Ray I MEANT ARE YOU A VETERAN?

to bcc_1_2

I would not call her a Puta nor me a monger.
That is not polite and while I will not threaten you, you should watch your words, it is not a nice thing to say.
Maybe you are right maybe all of you are right, but I hope I AM RIGHT.

First of all I am also a massage threapist and understand about that business in Costa Rica, very well.
I am not that naive' sir.
for now the "happy endings" do not really bother me.
She has to do what she does to feed her kids, maybe if you were in her shoes...
And I DO BELIEVE you about the $40 I have been to CR a few times and know about that.
If I am being "gamed" that is my own stupidity, all I wanted to do with this thread is get advice on her kids coming here not getting insulted.
I do not know your life nor am I going to judge you so please do not judge mne or her.

But thanks for your comments anyway.

[william3rd]

THink this thing through a little bit, compadre. White Knights are not favored. Don't want to see you get ripped up for shark food.

If you are making one of those 1% attempts, that is your business but the guys here are just trying to set you straight. . based on a lot of trial and error before you

I think Ray was a LIFER in one of his past lives. The only hot oil he ever got was out of the reduction gears.

[hotoilmassage]

to william3rd

I have thought long and hard about this and I am forgiving about her past, and if she is not honest I will find out, but you know the heart says many crazy things.
She wants out of a bad situation and knows her children are not going ot approve of her career.
I know white knights are not favored and as far as shark food, they would spit me out. hehehe
I know the guys are trying to set me straight and appreciate it.
I have read many of Rays posts and he says it like it is, that is why I RESPECT him.

[william3rd]

to william3rd

I have thought long and hard about this and I am forgiving about her past, and if she is not honest I will find out, but you know the heart says many crazy things.
She wants out of a bad situation and knows her children are not going ot approve of her career.
I know white knights are not favored and as far as shark food, they would spit me out. hehehe
I know the guys are trying to set me straight and appreciate it.
I have read many of Rays posts and he says it like it is, that is why I RESPECT him.

Very well. Best of luck in this matter of the heart

[bcc_1_2]

to bcc_1_2

I would not call her a Puta nor me a monger.

I was not sure if you are a monger or not (which is noted in the post above). In your most recent remarks you did not remark that she does in fact work for a high class hotel. In that case I used the local lingo (slang) for prostitute. Again unless you met her in the spa of a 4 star hotel.... Massage Parlor does not mean the same in the USA as it does in CR. Trust me dude... not to knock on your 9 day experience, but I've been there multiple times.

Hookers get taught to try and turn their customers into Novios. Then the novio goes home and sends money each month while the puta continues giving massages (and everything else... where do you think that hot oil goes... the guys back?  ). If the guy does end up marrying her. Great, mission accomplished. If not she likely has several other guys on the hook as well.

You hear of this in Costa Rica all the time. You can find this plastered all over internet message boards (they are full of novio sob stories). This really sounds like one of those 1% hail mary passes.

You can suck in your pride... admit you are inexperienced in a new country... or you can continue down this path... and eventually you can add your sob story to the pile.

This was not meant to attack you, but save you from serious financial strain and heartache.

You can't come to a message board full of "experts" (well at least people with a little experience).. tell us you are dating someone that gives hot oil massages in what is arguably the sex tourism capitol of the world... and then expect us not to comment on it. What about the 30 newbies that read your thread? If you decide to go down this path... how about we at least warn them?

Puta is a hooker in San Jose. Make a hooker your novia at your own pearl. This is extremely common knowledge to anyone that spends time around "hot oil" massage girls.

These ladies are VERY good at what they do. They can cry on demand! Please do some research man. You clearly hadn't even googled k1 visa (and clicked on wikipedia that would have answered your questions). It is crystal clear you haven't done the research on what you just walked into.

Well there I tried.

[hotoilmassage]

TO bcc_1_2

She is not either Puta or monger just a desperate woman trying to get out of a desperate situation.
She does NOT work in a high class hotel.
And maybe she IS A PROSTITUTE, I do not know, after all I am thousands of miles away.
however, we were both tested and came up Negative and she practices safe sex.
I know massage i sdifferent in CR and I do trust you, I know the difference.
Well I am not going to be sending her money each month not this person.
I am sure she could get other men, she is very beautiful.
Hail mary like Doug Flutie? LOL!

Oh my pride is out there for all to see and I agree with you and maybe I will add my sob story but maybe I will add a SUCCESSFUL and loving marriage.
if not, there are plenty of fish out there, and the ocean is always open.
Actually I AM THE ONE who gives HOT oil massages to athletes she gives theraputic (yeah right!) massage.
I am sure she can cry on demand but so far she has been either the best actress not to get an Oscar or a genuinly good person stuck in a rut.
I have done a lot of research and this board is helping me some, and I appreciate all the people that are not thinking I am doing the right thing, it motivates me into
checking into all aspects of this.

I googled and WIKIPEDIA the K1 but wanted ot see if anyone had experience in 3 children, that is all.
I think I walked into a mess...
Thanks