Peruvian Women - who can add something

[Zon]

Since, I have been back from Colombia - and I remain a fan - I have become more aware of the negative features of the country.  The world is a big place and I would like to see more of South America.

I considered Chile; but for many reasons have chose against it.  I am going to take an obligatory visit to BA; and punta de este this winter.  But, I continue to look for an optimum place to call a second home kinda place.  Here are my criteria:

1, Nice people; less grifting the gringo. 
2, Access to modern living: shopping; cafes; internet; etc...
3, great nature - beach or mountains
4, strong exchange with dollar
5, Women

This post is about women and Peru.

Frankly, I did not consider Peru in the past because of the high concentration of indian / indigenous people.  (I strongly prefer more European / thin / even asian). But, I do enjoy the latin culture very much.  However, recently, I have been told to pull my head out of my arse and take a look.  Although, there are not MANY women that fit my criteria, they do exist.  And they come from an upper class; and are interested in gringos - no negative sterio types.

So, I am looking for feedback; confirmation; and elaboration ...

Gracias

[JimmySTLOUIS]

1, Nice people; less grifting the gringo.
I dont see this as a problem in Peru (maybe to some degree but not bad)

2, Access to modern living: shopping; cafes; internet; etc...
Lima is good and bad. It offers modern living with a price

3, great nature - beach or mountains
The beach not so much - Humboldt Current
Mountains are great - Huaraz, Cusco etc (then you can throw out the modern living thing)

4, strong exchange with dollar
Let me know if you find any country that wants the US Dollar

5, Women
lots of them and they like Gringos - you wont be a rock star or anything though

best of luck
TE AMO PERU!

Jim

[Zon]

JIMBO ELABORATE PLEASE .... Also, what about outside Lima? Arequipa: Trujillo ... anybody got the low down?

1, Nice people; less grifting the gringo.
I dont see this as a problem in Peru (maybe to some degree but not bad). 

that is what I have heard time and time again

2, Access to modern living: shopping; cafes; internet; etc...
Lima is good and bad. It offers modern living with a price

What price?  More expensive than Medellin?

3, great nature - beach or mountains
The beach not so much - Humboldt Current
Mountains are great - Huaraz, Cusco etc (then you can throw out the modern living thing)

Are there any great beaches in all of Peru?

4, strong exchange with dollar
Let me know if you find any country that wants the US Dollar

you can say that, and although it is sliding, the dollar has fared better in some countries than others.  And time will change this too - lot's of time

5, Women
lots of them and they like Gringos - you wont be a rock star or anything though

Again, I am seeking non indiosa chicks - not that there is anything wrong with that!  I just prefer a different look and manner. Thing Spain (penelope cruz) and you have hit the bull's eye as far as I am concerned.
WTF?!?!?  I am a rock star, brother ...

best of luck
TE AMO PERU!

Jim

[JimmySTLOUIS]

I have never been to Colombia

I like Peru but I am torn when it comes to living there. Lima is kind of expensive to me (housing in a good area)  - and the winter might make me jump out of a window. Miraflores (the fancy part of Lima) gets cool and damp - no sun

I have only visited other cities in Peru so I really dont know.

Mancora and Punta Sal is the only decent beach in Lima and its way north.

My wifes parents and I drove up to Ecuador (Guayaquil) and they thought it was much nicer than Lima.

As far as the women go I think you might not be blown away by Peruvian women. You can find more "white" features in some parts of Lima but you are going to work your numbers way down. If you had the time, $$$ and lived in Miraflores you might get what you are looking for.
If just hot chicas are what you want then Colombia might be your best bet.

Peru doesnt have the agency game or pro's - that in itself makes it a better place to find a wife (not so much for mongering)

If you are a pro then you can play in Colombia - I would have SUCKER written in 4" letters on my balding head - so I passed on that

and one last word of advice for you

you dont know half of what you think you know
(marry one and get back to me in a few years and you can tell me I was right) 

TE AMO PERU!
jim

[Zon]

I would hope this thread can pick up some steam.

It is interesting that you raise those points.  I lived in Colombia for a while and pretty much had my pick once.  That is the good news. The bad news is that I understand where most of the women in Colombia are coming from ... and that sort of ruins it for me.

Don't want to get into an argument with the group here.  I just know that if you want to *&% the celebrity, or model, or the President's secretary ... it can be arranged.  (I know there are exceptions to the rule; but this is the rule)

I am starting to see that Peru - and I understand that with my criteria: non-indiosa; not poverty; some education ... the numbers go DOWN BIG TIME - but there are still enough to make it work.

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The notable beaches are in the north, as Jimmy says. It would require a separate flight from Lima. I'm told that there are good beaches 2 hours south of Lima by bus. There's a modest beach near Trujillo with surfing.

January & February are the summer months between school semesters.  There are beaches within walking or cab distance in Lima with some surfing going on.

You won't find a lot of tall, leggy women in Peru.  The country is still a bargain, you can find cheap lodging & restaurants.  Cabs are cheap.  The currency calculator on the Latin forum shows the dollar just south of 3 Nuevo Soles, not a dramatic change from a year ago.

[Zon]

You won't find a lot of tall, leggy women in Peru./quote]

Let's put this under the microscope!

Look, at first glance you walk around Cali, or Med and you are floored by the number of hot girls.  BUT, then you start to weed out and filter - bad characters; ignorant / stupid; underprivileged to the point where moving to the modern world brings risks and unknowns; poor family values / bad upbringing; prepago; etc...  the numbers get really very small very fast.

At first glance Peru looks like a no go to me, because all (almost all) the women look like Eskimos. But, I have several reports that there are a nice upper class; and these ladies are more chaste. If that is the case, I am not sure the real numbers are much different from Colombia

[raycjs]

I have to say this is one of the best Post i have read in a long time.... It is good to see a post with out all the BS... Just different opinions...... SFNM has been sharing a lot with me about Peru and he seams to like it allot,,, But he has nothing to compare it to.....keep the post going it is nice to learn about other places...
Question? Jimmy

you don't know half of what you think you know
(marry one and get back to me in a few years and you can tell me I was right)

Please expand on this for us...

Thanks
Ray

[Red Clay]

I like the Trujillo area alot. The funky beach town nearby is Huanchaco,laid back, quaint, good surfing and swimming/wading in the cove part. Nobody bothered us on the beach, vendors, etc. not an issue. Nice mix of Peruvians and visitors or expats, not overly commercialized. Only drawback to me is the main road along the beach is situated between the hotels/houses and the water. A little noisy traffic problem during the day, calms down at night. I would still live there in a heartbeat. Trujillo itself is about half-a-million people, nice historic downtown plaza and more modern conveniences, stores, restaurants, etc. being built steadily. It is far enough north of Lima to escape the overcast, foggy, misty winter that plagues Lima. Eight hours north of Lima by bus/car, several flights daily. Petty crime no worse or better than the rest of Peru, probably a little less than Lima.

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Zon,
As for the "nice upper class" to which you refer.... you're probably aware of how the upper class operates. You won't have access to the upper class without an introduction.
There are some gorgeous women in Peru, with jet black hair, brown or golden brown skin and dark almond shaped eyes. Generally speaking they are short in stature.
On one of my trips I had a date with a beautiful, young fair skinned woman.  She looked like a model for a painting by Botticelli or Raphael. I wouldn't call her "upper class" by North American standards but she had a good job with a mining company and a good modern home with her mother and one sister. Her mother was married to a man from Alaska and one of her sisters to a Dutchman.  I was in Lima after a visit to Machu Picchu and had sunburn on my face and a dry, sore throat.  My facial skin was molting and my voice was hoarse. Needless to say I didn't make a good impression and didn't bother to ask for another meeting.

[Zon]

A point of clarification is needed on my use of the term upper class.  I do not mean the spoiled .1% that is very afflent by any standards.  I am referring to more of a Middle Class by an American standard.  And more to the point, I am looking for a social situation where compromise and manipulation can be lessened from the very fact that I am a Gringo, and am perceived to be like "Donald Trump" to normal  Colombianas.

This is not the case in Med.  But, there is just a steriotype that every gringo is rich and lives a life like in the American movies.

I have heard that the people are a little less gaming to a gringo - nickel and dimming for a gain.  I have heard that the women are more chase and virtuous.  Again, generalizations,

I think the make up of the particular cities - its people and culture make up differs from region to region within Peru.   Can those with experience please comment on this point.

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Red Clay,
That beach town outside of Trujillo strikes me as laid back as you say. A good town for an artist or a writer. The locals still fish as they did in ancient times, on reed boats called caballitos de totora. Good seafood can be had there. I saw they had a bull fighting arena on the outskirts of Trujillo but that doesn't interest me.

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I think the make up of the particular cities - its people and culture make up differs from region to region within Peru.   Can those with experience please comment on this point.

As far as numbers are concerned, Lima is the largest city and then Arequipa in the south and Trujillo in the north at #3.  More people, more women to meet. The urban women are more modern in their ways and more likely to have computers, so you're more likely to arrange meetings with women in Lima. You can find a woman in a smaller city like SFNM did in Chiclayo, but I think he defied the odds.

[Zon]

In prefer not to meet women on computer first. 

(but, then again, I don't know half what I think I do:)

Please elaborate as much as possible on these three regions.  Especially as they relate to the criteria I posted on the top of the thread.

Thanks for the input.  This posts has what it takes to be the best in quite a while here ...

[Researcher]

               I have to agree.It is refreshing to hear of other Latin American countries besides Colombia. Its about time some folks got off their rumps and started posting!(just kidding)hehehehe Now keep it up or I'm going to start a thread about ketchup.

    Researcher

[JimmySTLOUIS]

I am glad you guys like me comment about not knowing 1/2 of what you think you know

I am not trying to insult you - just make you think

I can tell you that I am pretty good about figuring things out - sales / business background - but this is a different game in a different ball park - just FYI

I have had some rants in the past and I am not in the mood to do it today

I owe a lot to this forum and to guys like Pete E and the old hard core group

for a while this forum was over run with new guys who made one trip and now they know everything - thats fine - at one time there was a bunch of old hard core cronies - thats fine too - there is balance in their someplace

there are exceptions to every rule and all rules get thrown out the window when it come to women

for example - you want a nice girl from a "middle class family" - sounds nice to me ...right


so you want a girl that doesnt cook or clean and has had a maid all her life ...right........

just saying


TE AMO PERU!
Jim

[Zon]

Rules?  Maybe generalities.  Generalizations are useful, but in themselves, by definition, they can not be applied individually. 

(So, you can't say ... all Colombian women would compromise themselves for 100 bucks. For example.  But, the truth is that an ASTONISHING percentage of Colombian women would willingly become compromised for 100 bucks.  Especially compared with the USA.  And, for 500 bucks ALMOST ALL Colombian women - maybe with the exception of 5% - 15% - would refrain?!?!?  Now I am not downing Colombia!  I am a FAN.  I am just keeping it real. It is possible to find happiness living in Colombia.  And It is is possible to find a good women that would be a wonderful wife in Colombia.  But, I think we should be aware of truthful generalizations.  There is only so much time to spend and so many airline tickets to buy.) And, I am sorry if this offends some.  Now, I am not trying to be vulgar - rather humorous.

My point here, and the reason why I am interested in getting more info about Peru is that the numbers of GOOD candidates for a wife is FAR less in Colombian than they seem just based on the amount of pretty girls that will go on a date.   

I think Peru is a much different place?!?! 

AND, my point about class or status or character has to do with the issue of COMPROMISE.  Let's face it!  There is a significant human compromise happening when a woman goes to a TLC event and willingly becomes 1 or 500 women to be perused for 15 - 30 most very average gringos.  That is the type of situation that I would like to avoid.

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Zon,
If you prefer not to meet women on computer & don't care for TLC events, how do you meet women in country? Through an agency?

[utopiacowboy]

"Rules?  Maybe generalities.  Generalizations are useful, but in themselves, by definition, they can not be applied individually."

Very true.

[Zon]

I strongly prefer meeting "naturally."

Or as "naturally" as one can after doing much research on the numbers, preferences, and generalities that decide where I put my body and time. Then, life happens.

In order to do this I had to stop and divest myself of one business (brick and mortar); and be a part of multiple start-ups (some failed, some succeeded).  But, through it all, I have made most of my business practice internet based communication.  So I enjoy time and flexibility.  Only this enables my approach.  Otherwise, I would use computer networking.

But, if this was my only form of identification and "prospecting" I probably would stop looking to Latin America and consider only Ukraine.  I say this because the communication that is normal online with women from Ukraine has been to me 1,000,000,000 times more authentic, in depth, and substantive, than similar communication I have had with Latinas in many different countries in South America

[Gavan]

Hi,

I live in Trujillo, Peru with my Peruvian novia.

1, Nice people; less grifting the gringo.
Some people are nice, others can be very rude.

2, Access to modern living: shopping; cafes; internet; etc...
You can have a decent life in most of the big cities of Peru. The city where I live, Trujillo, has modern malls, movie theaters, discos etc. I have high speed internet access and DirectTV with DVR.

3, great nature - beach or mountains
There are nice beaches in the North of Peru (Mancora, Punta Sal etc).

5, Women
Most women are Indian or mestiza (mixed race). They tend to be short and have brown skin with black hair. I personally find some of them very attractive, especially the mixed race ones. Almost all pure white women who are not foreign belong to the upper class and most of them live in Lima.

[Zon]

HELOOOOOOO ....

Can anyone elaborate on this point: "Most women are Indian or mestiza (mixed race). They tend to be short and have brown skin with black hair. I personally find some of them very attractive, especially the mixed race ones. Almost all pure white women who are not foreign belong to the upper class and most of them live in Lima."

Does this mean miraflores, exclusively?

[Red Clay]

Miraflores is not the only area of Lima where you will find women of European descent, but you won't find many outside of Lima, relatively speaking. La Molina, Surco, and Barranco are other areas in Lima to check out.

[Researcher]

   Yes. the Artist formerly known as Rivardco...

[Gavan]

HELOOOOOOO ....

Can anyone elaborate on this point: "Most women are Indian or mestiza (mixed race). They tend to be short and have brown skin with black hair. I personally find some of them very attractive, especially the mixed race ones. Almost all pure white women who are not foreign belong to the upper class and most of them live in Lima."

Does this mean miraflores, exclusively?

You will find most white Peruvian women in upper class areas like Miraflores, yes. This is pretty much the only place where you will see many of them walking around. There are pure white women in all Peruvian cities (here in Trujillo as well), but they are rare.