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Pivery · « **Reply #25 on:** May 06, 2009, 10:13:26 PM »

Always one nay-sayer in the bunch...

Yes Soltero, sorry to dash your impression of reading the tea leaves, but that's exactly how it happened. That obviously did not happen to you, but this was my case. I speak Spanish enough to have a fairly decent conversation and I only needed the lady that accompanied me during my first time to BAQ was it was part of the deal I paid for and she was used primarily as a coordinator for my dates.

Not sure why a woman that only wants a man for love and not things would be foreign to you, but there are some women who do not seek the latest iPod or jewelry or ? that a guy brings down with him. In all honesty, I have been to BAQ more than you are aware of. I do not spend endless hours here making sure everyone is aware of my comings and goings or blogging about my trips. My posts here are for when I deem it important to make a point, not to keep you on track with my activities.

What you choose to believe or disbelieve is irrelevant to me. No need to B.S. anyone here about my life.

Anyway... my point in my earlier post was that an honest/good-hearted woman will not be picking through your pockets at the airport to see what was brought for her and for gringos not to flood women with expensive or uncalled for gifts early in the relationship. The relationships that endure are as a result of love, communication and understanding one another other and not a gift exchange.

Pivery

soltero · « **Reply #26 on:** May 07, 2009, 07:38:05 AM »

Quote from: Pivery on May 06, 2009, 10:13:26 PM

Always one nay-sayer in the bunch...

Yes Soltero, sorry to dash your impression of reading the tea leaves, but that's exactly how it happened. That obviously did not happen to you, but this was my case. I speak Spanish enough to have a fairly decent conversation and I only needed the lady that accompanied me during my first time to BAQ was it was part of the deal I paid for and she was used primarily as a coordinator for my dates.

Not sure why a woman that only wants a man for love and not things would be foreign to you, but there are some women who do not seek the latest iPod or jewelry or ? that a guy brings down with him. In all honesty, I have been to BAQ more than you are aware of. I do not spend endless hours here making sure everyone is aware of my comings and goings or blogging about my trips. My posts here are for when I deem it important to make a point, not to keep you on track with my activities.

What you choose to believe or disbelieve is irrelevant to me. No need to B.S. anyone here about my life.

Anyway... my point in my earlier post was that an honest/good-hearted woman will not be picking through your pockets at the airport to see what was brought for her and for gringos not to flood women with expensive or uncalled for gifts early in the relationship. The relationships that endure are as a result of love, communication and understanding one another other and not a gift exchange.

Pivery

Pivery, I apologize upfront, but to be honest, no one has ever had what you have, and although I wish it to be true for you, you would have to be the single most fortunate person to ever post on this board. Really, a young Colombiana that in your own words, "would take a bullet for you" after less than a full week of face time. That seems pretty incredible, and I am happy for you if it is indeed the case. As far as what I choose to believe, whether it is relevant to you or not doesn't matter from my end either. While I have the utmost of hope for you, I stopped believing in fairy tales as a small child, but I will definitely keep hope alive for you and yours and your incredible situation.

By the way, I am not a naysayer...I truly hope that your situation is both real and true...I am just in awe at your incredible luck at finding what sounds like a woman even more incredible than UC's and that in itself is REALLY hard to believe. After everything is all said and done, you will be the new one-shot-wonder King. All the best to you and your very special lady.

Fuzzyone · « **Reply #27 on:** May 07, 2009, 11:30:27 AM »

Quote from: Dan on May 05, 2009, 05:23:51 PM

I understand - BUT - isn't this just a bunch of speculation and guesswork?

- Dan

Come on Dan you know who it is,don't beat around the bush. Ask William I bet he will tell you.

Planet-Love.com · « **Reply #27 on:** May 07, 2009, 11:30:27 AM »

Dan · « **Reply #28 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:59:16 PM »

Quote from: Fuzzyone on May 07, 2009, 11:30:27 AM

Come on Dan you know who it is,don't beat around the bush. Ask William I bet he will tell you.

Look - I really don't like playing these games. Why should I, or anyone else, care about some gossip being spread about someone that we do not know - will likely never meet - and has no bearing whatsoever to any serious pursuit of a life-partner overseas?

I recognize that SOME people thrive on this rumor-mongering - but not me - and I daresay, not many who are really serious about their intentions. It simply is not relevant.

- Dan

raycjs · « **Reply #29 on:** May 07, 2009, 01:04:19 PM »

Soltero

That was real cool of you to say what you did....Pivery does have a great girl and i also hope it stays that way he deserves a good women i have seen many photo's of the two of them and i have heard a lot of the stories he tells me and it sounds like he found himself and good women... But we all know thing in life change so all we can do is wish him the best of luck

Ray

Fuzzyone · « **Reply #30 on:** May 07, 2009, 01:27:25 PM »

Quote from: Dan on May 07, 2009, 12:59:16 PM

Look - I really don't like playing these games. Why should I, or anyone else, care about some gossip being spread about someone that we do not know - will likely never meet - and has no bearing whatsoever to any serious pursuit of a life-partner overseas?

I recognize that SOME people thrive on this rumor-mongering - but not me - and I daresay, not many who are really serious about their intentions. It simply is not relevant.

- Dan

Well you let it stand as posted so I did not see the thread as that real serious in searching for a life partner right? Yes you are right not that relevant.

utopiacowboy · « **Reply #31 on:** May 07, 2009, 06:29:51 PM »

"By the way, I am not a naysayer...I truly hope that your situation is both real and true...I am just in awe at your incredible luck at finding what sounds like a woman even more incredible than UC's and that in itself is REALLY hard to believe. After everything is all said and done, you will be the new one-shot-wonder King. All the best to you and your very special lady."

I've lost the one-shot wonder King title? Damm!

Jeff S · « **Reply #32 on:** May 07, 2009, 09:43:27 PM »

Fortunately, I am a Naysayer.... so I say: "Neigh!"

How zat?

- Jeff

singlefather no more · « **Reply #33 on:** May 07, 2009, 11:47:24 PM »

Quote from: utopiacowboy on May 07, 2009, 06:29:51 PM

I've lost the one-shot wonder King title? Damm!

I was a close 2nd to UTC for that title.

.

Researcher · « **Reply #34 on:** May 08, 2009, 03:56:00 AM »

I don't think it matters much if this story is real or not.Just
because something wasn't posted here on PL doesn't mean it didn't
happen. There are some things that are good for discussion whether
the story is true or not.
As far as this guy going to retrieve the gifts I don't agree
with doing that. I don't give something to someone expecting to get
it back if things change between us. That just seems too petty to
me.
This woman(or girl) was under age. Just goes to show
that if a guy is planning on chasing the young ones he might want
to try and get a glimpse at that cedula if possible. And if he is meeting
them through an agency, he shouldnâ€™t expect that they have been
"screened" thoroughly.I know most agencies like to claim they "screen"
the ladies but I wouldn't rely on that. I think it is mostly part of the hype
to make the client feel all warm and toasty inside but usually leads to a
false sense of security.
As far as gift giving, if I wanted to give a woman something
I did. I didn't make a habit out of it though because plenty of people will
hang around you if free stuff is involved. That's pretty much a universal
thing and doesn't apply only to women.
I think the original point of this thread is that guys who give
gifts set a precedent. In other words this sort of thing becomes expected.
Sounds like a good reason to avoid the places that are overrun with
gringos.But if someone expects to find a place where all the women
are perfect angels waiting for a man to come and get them, they might
just want to stay home and keep dreaming.

Researcher

Researcher · « **Reply #35 on:** May 08, 2009, 04:06:38 AM »

Quote from: utopiacowboy on May 07, 2009, 06:29:51 PM

"By the way, I am not a naysayer...I truly hope that your situation is both real and true...I am just in awe at your incredible luck at finding what sounds like a woman even more incredible than UC's and that in itself is REALLY hard to believe. After everything is all said and done, you will be the new one-shot-wonder King. All the best to you and your very special lady."

I've lost the one-shot wonder King title? Damm!

UC,
Don't be too sure about that. Pivery met his lady last November and had not filed paperwork as of January(according to past posts).I know guys who met a woman one week and was making wedding plans the next week. Compared to these guys Pivery is a lightweight.

Researcher

Pivery · « **Reply #36 on:** May 08, 2009, 11:10:42 AM »

Hmmmmm...

Ok, so I have no idea how I became the focus of the original post here...

Yes, I am a lightweight compared to some of the guys here, but it in no way diminishes the history I have between myself and my lady. I relinquish my title back to UC. But yes, I did not have to go through as much B.S. in finding a lady that cannot envision her life without me. I as well cannot have a life without her.

My story (what I've allowed here at least) is true and yes, I do feel very fortunate. I realize how lucky I am every day I wake up, and for all the other guys here that have found a special lady you should feel the same as well.
There are some guys here that have been looking for many years and I just don't think that I could do that. Too much heartache and head games there...

I kinda think this is why people don't post here as much. If a story gets posted that some of the guys that have been on the board for some amount of time doesn't pass muster in their eyes, then it's called into question and ridiculed. This should not be this way, and I for one have never called anyone's story/situation far-fetched.

So, moving on here, again staying focussed on the original post, guys should not be showering women with gifts early on. Some women that have loose morals could take advantage of men like this and rake him over the coals. Then the women are seen as gold-diggers or green carders. Use your head and don't do anything differently than you would do in your own country and you should be ok.

Damn, I guess I am back to flyweight again...

Pivery

Researcher · « **Reply #37 on:** May 08, 2009, 12:15:30 PM »

Quote from: Pivery on May 08, 2009, 11:10:42 AM

Hmmmmm...

Ok, so I have no idea how I became the focus of the original post here...

Yes, I am a lightweight compared to some of the guys here, but it in no way diminishes the history I have between myself and my lady. I relinquish my title back to UC. But yes, I did not have to go through as much B.S. in finding a lady that cannot envision her life without me. I as well cannot have a life without her.

My story (what I've allowed here at least) is true and yes, I do feel very fortunate. I realize how lucky I am every day I wake up, and for all the other guys here that have found a special lady you should feel the same as well.
There are some guys here that have been looking for many years and I just don't think that I could do that. Too much heartache and head games there...

I kinda think this is why people don't post here as much. If a story gets posted that some of the guys that have been on the board for some amount of time doesn't pass muster in their eyes, then it's called into question and ridiculed. This should not be this way, and I for one have never called anyone's story/situation far-fetched.

So, moving on here, again staying focussed on the original post, guys should not be showering women with gifts early on. Some women that have loose morals could take advantage of men like this and rake him over the coals. Then the women are seen as gold-diggers or green carders. Use your head and don't do anything differently than you would do in your own country and you should be ok.

Damn, I guess I am back to flyweight again...

Pivery

Pivery,
I know it isn't exactly on topic but it had to do with being a "one shot wonder". Finding a woman inone week and marrying her the next. It seems like some guys here have done that but when you start asking questions to them, it turns out that isn't the case as with you.

Researcher

Planet-Love.com · « **Reply #37 on:** May 08, 2009, 12:15:30 PM »

soltero · « **Reply #38 on:** May 08, 2009, 12:21:24 PM »

Quote from: Pivery on May 08, 2009, 11:10:42 AM

I kinda think this is why people don't post here as much. If a story gets posted that some of the guys that have been on the board for some amount of time doesn't pass muster in their eyes, then it's called into question and ridiculed. This should not be this way, and I for one have never called anyone's story/situation far-fetched.

Pivery,

I am perfectly willing to ask questions about something that seems incredible. It does not mean that I don't believe you, but incredible is just that. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, but I have been on this board since it had a very different tone, and I thought I was being very respectful and polite as far as my query. I don't know you, and Ray saying that your situation is what it is was enough for me to accept it without issue. Surely you are aware of the multitudes of guys that go to SA thinking they have found the love of their life and can't put together two words of Spanish, so they make up all of this flowery love in between the words they don't understand. It is very common and not that far out of the normal for me to feel any shame about asking you what I thought was a very simple question. As I said before, I am happy for you, and will be overjoyed when you and this wonderful woman that "cannot envision her life without you."

Have a great life together! I wish you all the best.

Pivery · « **Reply #39 on:** May 08, 2009, 01:03:39 PM »

Soltero,

I am happy that my story has been cleared for print. Yes, my story is atypical but not fantastic. My story was not completely laid out day by day and being incredibly private will not disclose for all to peruse and vote on.

Again gentleman, this journey will reap rewards for some while others it will remain elusive. I didn't just go down to BAQ and bump into a woman and propose, but I didn't make 15 trips there to know what I had either. I encountered women who were dishonest and seemed to be interested in me only because I was obviously a gringo. However with a little due diligence, I found a woman who didn't go to bars, did not have 14,000 facebook friends. Had 2 people on her cell phone (her work and her mother). Did not hang out at the dive bars, very religious and made a conscious decision to stay clear of the annual carnival. She completely stood out from the others I encountered and I knew she was what I needed. I was married for 15 years before to a woman I knew half as long, but I'm 40 and full of grey hair, so I was smart enough to know what I had and had no intention of letting her get away.

Ok, enough about me. I have truly enjoyed my 15 minutes of fame, but the original topic should be continued along.
I hope the forum grows and brings others in that may not want to post or ask questions for fear of a dogpile. Some guys get lucky and some don't. It doesn't take untold years/visits to know what you have. If it does, you may not realize what you have at all.

Pivery

utopiacowboy · « **Reply #40 on:** May 08, 2009, 05:26:37 PM »

Pivery, my man, enjoy your "luck"! Some guys will say it's luck but it's strange to me how some guys are just "luckier" than others. Maybe we should be buying lottery tickets. Personally, I think you knew what you wanted and recognized it when you saw it.

GatoAzul · « **Reply #41 on:** May 08, 2009, 06:01:14 PM »

Quote from: utopiacowboy on May 08, 2009, 05:26:37 PM

Pivery, my man, enjoy your "luck"! Some guys will say it's luck but it's strange to me how some guys are just "luckier" than others. Maybe we should be buying lottery tickets. Personally, I think you knew what you wanted and recognized it when you saw it.

Personaly, I believe 'luck' has absolutely nothing to do with finding women. There are many reasons why they cannot find the right woman. In most common cases, men tried too hard finding hot, sexiest woman just to show off their trophy cupboards.

One example from other site (Russian dating site), a man who is 62 years old. He is bald, wears glasses and wear very boring clothes - royal blue shirts with yellow tie. He is not very handsome man. He claims to be a retired businessman and is very wealthy. He is looking for young woman age 18-22 wearing dress in skintight jeans and wants to have a 'hot' relation. GUESS WHAT? He is still on that site for the last 5 years - still in search for what he wants. SO DO YOU THINK HE IS NOT A LUCKY MAN

He is searching for the wrong woman. Can you name of anyone who id looking for a great grandfather for 'hot' relations

For your information, yes I am still on tha site but only as friendship - that's why I know who he is and what he wants! I still value Russian my friendship !!

Researcher · « **Reply #42 on:** May 09, 2009, 03:36:37 AM »

Quote from: Pivery on May 08, 2009, 01:03:39 PM

Again gentleman, this journey will reap rewards for some while others it will remain elusive. I didn't just go down to BAQ and bump into a woman and propose,

It seems that there aren't as many "one shot wonders" as others would like to believe.

Researcher

Researcher · « **Reply #43 on:** May 09, 2009, 04:10:40 AM »

Quote from: utopiacowboy on May 08, 2009, 05:26:37 PM

Pivery, my man, enjoy your "luck"! Some guys will say it's luck but it's strange to me how some guys are just "luckier" than others. Maybe we should be buying lottery tickets. Personally, I think you knew what you wanted and recognized it when you saw it.

I think luck is right.According to the PL survey: marriages with less that 4 months of courtship suffer a higher failure rate than those with more than 4 months of courtship. The question was: How much time elapsed between your first contact and your decision to marry?
Over 1700 took the survey, which is more than the number of posters here.So, yes UC, go down to buy those lotto tickets ASAP.

Researcher

Caballero2009 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 11, 2009, 09:56:36 PM »

I have to agree.

In the USA IT SURE IS CULTURAL.... to try to BUY women....and most women EXPECT it...its a CONSUMER society.

Here is a POP CULTURE notion of... havent you heard of MATERIAL GIRLS... well 90% of women are material now... clothes....makeup..jewelry.... they can cost more than a car! And girls go to the guys who buy them everything not because the guy is the best choice...

Its been this way for a LONG time...

If guys dont BUY them gifts they get PISSED enough to LEAVE the guy...its EXPECTED....not in a sweet way... look at TV adds.... it mimics life.

So its not surprsing guys go down south and first thing they do: BUY TONS OF GIFTS..... to BUY the girl... doesnt work...same as here...girl will lose interest after X amount of damage is done if not to emotion to lives.

sabound · « **Reply #45 on:** May 12, 2009, 08:49:08 AM »

if your going to buy ANY gifts make sure it has the label Victoria Secrets , at least that way you may get some enjoyment how of your investment

Pivery · « **Reply #46 on:** May 12, 2009, 09:48:41 AM »

Sabound,

Make sure you get the right sizes for all of that Victoria's Secret stuff or you will NOT be getting any enjoyment out of your investment!

Pivery

GatoAzul · « **Reply #47 on:** May 12, 2009, 11:52:15 AM »

Quote from: sabound on May 12, 2009, 08:49:08 AM

if your going to buy ANY gifts make sure it has the label Victoria Secrets , at least that way you may get some enjoyment how of your investment

My prometida (fiancee) does not care about labels but she does like to look good. She loves every clothing I send her, because I have very good taste. It is also about sending the right items - the right colour, the right size, the right taste. I send her size 6 and 8 (UK) but they all fit her perfectly. She had never asked me for any expensive clothes.

Planet-Love.com · « **Reply #47 on:** May 12, 2009, 11:52:15 AM »

sabound · « **Reply #48 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:32:49 PM »

I always buy small , if they wear anything bigger than that I am NOT interested !

Pivery · « **Reply #49 on:** May 12, 2009, 06:06:57 PM »

Sabound,

On my last visit for her birthday this past April, I took my fiancee' to the Besame lingerie store in BAQ to have her pick out some things she liked and a couple that I liked.

This way, I got the sizes right, we both got some stuff we wanted, and I got...

Worked out quite well I think!

Pivery

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