Unemployment

[Bear]

Okay I didn't what I thought was right but I lost.  New laws are in effect and people are benefitting unfairly with my tax dollars.  Unemployment checks have skyrocketed.  You can get $468/wk for 59 weeks.  Illegals can participate.  Other benefits totaling abt $41K/year are now available to the unemployed.

My wife doesn't work because I do well enough and we sacrifice enough she doesn't need to.

Should I/can I have her apply for unemployment benefits?

The Bear Family

[piglett]

Bear you know what is rite & what is wrong so i know that you already have the correct answer.
now that i have said this i will also say that at some point things will be changed in this country.
one way or another. i just don't know how long it will be.
the problen is that the government is writing checks that the people can in no way cover.
what will happen & how soon will it happen ?? ?? ??
guess we will wait & see

mite be a bumpy ride
piglett   

[stevjulietb]

Bear,  I have been working for about 40 years now.  Never have I collected unemployment.  I just don't see why some people (Liberals) don't get it.  If you give people free money, it ruins them.  Their kids grow up thinking that it is also their right to have it, and what do you have?  A country just like the one we have now.  Too many who are waiting for the next government fix.  I am all far education and re- entry into the work force.  If you don't think the poor aren't messed up in their thinking....teach for a few months and you will understand.  The parents of poor students aren't telling their kids to get an education and work hard.  They expect the schools to fix it.  The schools are part of the government.  Parents should raise and be the motivator of and for their kids.

Steveb

[satori]

Not sure if you're kidding, but you have to have had an employer pay into the unemployment insurance system to collect.  Perhaps you can find her a job where she will be laid off shortly.

We are going the route of Europe.  Europeans can stay on the 'dole' forever and do because the benfits are good and there is little upside financially to work (for many).  We will run out of money because the government has done nothing to foster a culture of work ethic and support the growth of GOOD jobs (not McD or Walmart).

[Bear]

Believe me I know what everyone thinks and I think the same way.  I have been on unemployment once before and got assistance from my church once.  I was so embarrassed I think the next time I'd rather starve.  But when I heard that illegals can now apply for unemployment benefits and the total is about $41K/yr, its just so wrong it makes my eyes bleed.  I've got to pay the bill and because I'm going to have to pay that bill my family will suffer and do without more than the sacrifices we make now.  You work hard and sacrifice to get ahead but this liberal, socialist attitude being forced on us says if you don't have it then take from those who worked harder and sacrificed because they have it and surely don't deserve it!  The only hedge I might have is to have Honey get the benefits now to compensate for the future increase in taxes and lost benefits.  I guess I just feel guilty for even thinking it but I know if I could get a job or collect $41K/year without working I take the 59 week vacation.  You know there are literally millions that don't deserve it who will sign up for this free gift.  Why shouldn't Honey, she deserves it?

At least I hear they are close to making those who take these benefits being required to take blood tests for drug/alcohol addiction.

The Bear Family

[Quixote9]

I have never been on unemployment, but from what I know (and this probably varies from state to state):

1. You have to be laid off to get it (not just be someone who has never worked, quit their job, or been terminated with cause)
2.  The amount you collect per week is a based on what you were making on average over the last six months from the job you got laid off from.  It isn't the full amount you were making before, so you can't make MORE money on unemployment than you did before you got layed off.
3.  How long your benifits last are based on how long you were employed there.

So if you are concerned about immigrants getting umployment benifits, keep that in mind.  To get 41k in unemployment benifits per year they would probably have had to been earning 60k+ per year before they got laid off from a job they worked at just as hard as you or I.  They would also have to have held that job for a significant amount of time to get a full year of benefits.  I am sure they would rather just have their job back.

Welfare benefits are a whole other matter, and there is substantial fraud with illegal immigrants gaming the system.   

[piglett]

We are going the route of Europe.  Europeans can stay on the 'dole' forever and do because the benefits are good and there is little upside financially to work (for many).  We will run out of money because the government has done nothing to foster a culture of work ethic and support the growth of GOOD jobs (not McD or Walmart).

You are so rite , i work with people between the ages of 16 & 49 and there is always someone calling out.
I don't know how many times in the past that have dragged my rear in when i was sick.
Why ? well because i had a job to do & i didn't see any point in trying to dodge my responsibility's.

I have also found that it is hard to find people that will take the bull by the horns & get a job done.
Today at work we had a problem with the phones hanging up on customers.
& this is the 3rd time in the past month that we have had this problem.
I would have thought that someone with 1/2 of a brain would have made sure that everything was
in good working order by now, but i guess not.

Bear i think i will change my original position & say that i think you & Honey deserve that 41k just as much as anyone Else so go ahead & take what you can get. Maybe you can save some of it for the "cubs" collage fund & I'm sure Honey would like to go back to the PI. in the next 12 months to see friends & family.
You mite as well get what you can now because we are all going to be screwed later.

[Bob_S]

My wife doesn't work because I do well enough and we sacrifice enough she doesn't need to.

Should I/can I have her apply for unemployment benefits?

I believe if she divorces you but continues to live with you in sin, then she qualifies for all kinds of taxpayer funded goodies.  You can even charge her rent that taxpayers will cough up.

[satori]

The politicians want the common man to support those who don't work because it's a way to buy votes useing our money.  Meanwhile, the special interests get free rein to steal and manipulate markets to their ends.  The rich stay rich, those who do nothing get a free ride and those in the middle work hard and pay for it.  Communism didn't work because no one had an incentive to work and very few were able to get into the 'elite' class.  Interstingly enough, this country seems to be following the same path as the Romans.  In fact, all great empires seem to follow the same path over time and end up in demise.  No wonder we are seeing more social unrest.  I hope all the discord can stop us from going down the wrong path.

[Raquelfebtember]

Interstingly enough, this country seems to be following the same path as the Romans.

Right, I agree!Too many unproductive people living off the productive members.

[Brainiac]

Piglett said: "You are so rite"

What kind of rite: a sacrificial rite? a rite of passage? an initiation rite?

Otherwise, you are right about work ethics.

Jus' keepin' it reel...

[Cbear]

brainiac, your rite

it is a sacraficial rite. A sacrifice of the good tax payers.

It is a rite of passage form one welfare generation to the next.

It is an initiation rite to those who are just now starting to suck the government tit.

So you are rite, er right.

[Brainiac]

Great response, CBear!  Thanks for the laugh.

[Dave H]

I believe if she divorces you but continues to live with you in sin, then she qualifies for all kinds of taxpayer funded goodies.  You can even charge her rent that taxpayers will cough up.

That is very common with the Latins in South Florida. While they are legally divorced, they don't consider it "living in sin." Since they were married in the Catholic Church and the marriage was not annulled, they are still husband and wife by the Church.

Dave

[Romello]

Well I will not speak ill of the unemployed.  After driving for this company for about two years, I broke my ankle at a birthday party (don't ask ).

I was a truck driver so I could not drive with an broken ankle.  I was out of work for 6 months and because I did not have workers comp, I got unemployment.  I made up the difference because I am also a barber.

While on unemployment, you MUST be looking for a job.  If one is married and get a divorce ( as mention in another post ) the only benefits she can get, if she does not have a job, is half of her husband's income in the form of alimony and child support. no unemployment.

CHILD SUPPORT
I have been all through this system in all levels so I know how it is done.  I've paid child support to my ex but then my son came to live with me.  However, he came on his own and it was not court ordered so that does not count out the child support.  Don't get mad, I've never paid CP.  My ex and I are friends so I just helped out where she need help and she never reported to the courts.  I can ONLY go to jail if she takes me to court for non payment of CP.

UNEMPLOYMENT
I MUST have been working on the job for at least 6 months to a year.  The company must pay into the unemployment for you to receive an money.  You must look for a job every day, and yes they will and can check.

FOOD STAMPS
You must have school age children
Gone through the unemployment phase
If you are not working at all and living with someone (as in a married couple where only one works) they can only make a cirten about of money a year.
Also you must have a medical condition to where you can't work a normal job.

[Jeff S]

The other thing about unemployment is that it's insurance, not welfare. The employers pay for it, not the taxpayers. (though the company's stockholders, customers and employees pay for it in terms of higher prices, lower dividends, and lower wages.) The employers pay into a fund, and that fund limits the out-of-work person's benefits, so it runs out - usually in 6 months. Often the amount you put into the fund through reduced wages, far exceeds whatever you get out of it - but that's true of nearly all gumment programs. There are hundreds of examples of the unproductive living off the productive, and wasted government spending - unemployment insurance is a poor example, since you can't collect unless you've paid in.

[thekfc]

I was on Unemployment once before, company messed up, they were suppose to close one location & open up a new one about 2 1/2 weeks afterwords, but after they close the old one & there were MAJOR delays with the new location - it wouldn't be opening up for 3 months. So most of us went on unemployment, I just told people that I was on an extended vacation. I was bored to death seating at home doing nothing & it was the winter time so I couldn't venture out much.