Cali Charm's website is down

[AsianGuy]

Does anyone know what happened to the Cali Charm's website?  It is no longer available when you go to calicharm.com.  I am thinking about using their bed and breakfast service this summer.  Did anyone used their service before?  Can you give me some feed back whether this is an agency worth using?

[John W]

I was there about a year and a half ago.  Since that time the Manager (Walter) has left.  He seemed to be doing a really good job at the time.  I think all in all they offer a good value.  I was only there for a short visit with Walter and did not use their services.  I know they have been trying to sell the agency for awhile.  I would not send them any money in advance if you want to use them this summer and they are still in Business.  You could ask them to arrange for a taxi to pick you up at the airport and then check out their place and decide if you want to stay there.  If not, have the address of some back up hotels and then visit All Colombian Girls or Cali VIP, or better yet meet some Calenas on the internet and then meet them in Cali without using an agency.

[daytrader]

Does anyone know what happened to the Cali Charm's website?  It is no longer available when you go to calicharm.com. 

it's a lot worse than that...the domain has expired....they don't even have $8 to renew the domain....stay away...

DayTrader

[bcc_1_2]

it's a lot worse than that...the domain has expired....they don't even have $8 to renew the domain....stay away...

DayTrader

I don't think that is quite fair. John gave AsianGuy some good advice. All 3 businesses will arrange individual meetings for you. Just no need to pay over the net. I wont endorse any of them, but I wouldn't say avoid Cali Charm either. They really need to get at doing some updates and adding to their database however. Just to note they have not been adding much in the way of new profiles recently.

AsianGuy there is a big downside to staying with the agency lodging IMO. Especially Cali Charm which is basically just a private bedroom.

[daytrader]

I don't think that is quite fair. John gave AsianGuy some good advice. All 3 businesses will arrange individual meetings for you. Just no need to pay over the net. I wont endorse any of them, but I wouldn't say avoid Cali Charm either. They really need to get at doing some updates and adding to their database however. Just to note they have not been adding much in the way of new profiles recently.

AsianGuy there is a big downside to staying with the agency lodging IMO. Especially Cali Charm which is basically just a private bedroom.

then put a freaking note on the website that we're too busy or too broke to update the website but at least pay the freaking $8 to renew the dang domain!  If they were too cheap to pay the server they would get an ERROR 404 ....to get  a "domain expired" msg is saying they've thrown in the towel or have abysmal management, imo. 

fairness has nothing to do with it regarding Cali Charm.......it's called being smart...life is unfair and will continue to be so, in spite of those that try to equalize outcomes or avoid hurt feelings.. the days of marriage agencies in Cali looks to be over for a while (especially during this economic downturn - note all the airline layoffs!), latinamericancupid, colombiancupid, amigos, sotb.com and other sites are where it's at (most likely)..the numbers of new paid accounts and closed paid accounts alone at lac are staggering...thousands and thousands per month...

technology strikes again, but I'm sure we'll have folks saying "it ain't so!"


DayTrader

[bcc_1_2]

or have abysmal management, imo. 

the days of marriage agencies in Cali looks to be over for a while


DayTrader

Abysmal management. Well its in Colombia. 

I'll just speak for Cali but agencies are dying there. ACG moved from the Mall to a walk in closet office on the south side. Best advice I can give is hit up the social networking and personal sites. The young ladies that relied on the agencies 10 years ago are now just filling out profiles online themselves.

[AsianGuy]

I checked their website again today...and what do you know?  It's back up.

[pontiac]

Zeabis, Calipro:  Luz Amparo of Latin Best is offering her data list of women to other agencies in Cali.  My source is a woman who owns an introduction service in Cali and previously worked for ACG. 

[Tapeguy]

Guys,

Been a very long time since I posted, as I am now happily married to my wonderful Cali bride. My wife and daughter arrived back in July 2008 and it has been smoother than I could have dreamed of. I guess the 12 visits to Cali (7 of which I stayed at Cali Charm) and taking the relationship slowly, worked out.

My wife calls the team at Cali Charm regularly as we both think of them as family. I spoke with Ximena at Cali Charm and asked her what happened to the web site. She said the Domain Administration shut down with no notice.

Guys as I previously spent allot of time and money in Russia and got screwed every way from Sunday. I know a good agency from a bad one and I can tell you with 100 guarantee that Cali Charm is the best agency I have ever worked. I have stayed there 7 times and after I started staying at my brides home I still visited CC every time I went to Cali. I have a good friend who is staying there for 2 weeks next month. They are there, they are legitimate.

No I was not paid to say this. I just know Ximena and staff are good people and run a good agency.

Thanks
Tapeguy in NC

[bcc_1_2]

Guys,

Been a very long time since I posted, as I am now happily married to my wonderful Cali bride. My wife and daughter arrived back in July 2008 and it has been smoother than I could have dreamed of. I guess the 12 visits to Cali (7 of which I stayed at Cali Charm) and taking the relationship slowly, worked out.

My wife calls the team at Cali Charm regularly as we both think of them as family. I spoke with Ximena at Cali Charm and asked her what happened to the web site. She said the Domain Administration shut down with no notice.

Guys as I previously spent allot of time and money in Russia and got screwed every way from Sunday. I know a good agency from a bad one and I can tell you with 100 guarantee that Cali Charm is the best agency I have ever worked. I have stayed there 7 times and after I started staying at my brides home I still visited CC every time I went to Cali. I have a good friend who is staying there for 2 weeks next month. They are there, they are legitimate.

No I was not paid to say this. I just know Ximena and staff are good people and run a good agency.

Thanks
Tapeguy in NC

Congrats tapeguy. Mistakes are made. The website was down for a couple days. No biggie. Glad you had a great experience and IMO they are priced pretty well. They do a good job of photographing the ladies as well. What you see is what you will meet.

Anyways Tapeguy I doubt you follow the website much anymore since you are probably a pretty busy married guy... but they really haven't done much adding of women since I started paying attention last summer.

Tapeguy I'm wondering if you think ladies are signing up like they were in previous years?

[Tapeguy]

Congrats tapeguy. Mistakes are made. The website was down for a couple days. No biggie. Glad you had a great experience and IMO they are priced pretty well. They do a good job of photographing the ladies as well. What you see is what you will meet.

Anyways Tapeguy I doubt you follow the website much anymore since you are probably a pretty busy married guy... but they really haven't done much adding of women since I started paying attention last summer.

Tapeguy I'm wondering if you think ladies are signing up like they were in previous years?

Well there's no question that ladies signing up for agencies is down. I have a friend in Kiev Ukraine and he says it's the same over there. I guess there are many reasons both from the ladies side and ours. IMBRA has hurt, playboys have ruined it for many guys. Gold diggers and ladies who are not really serious have hurt.

As for Cali Charm, I will allways be thankfull for all the help they gave Estrella and I. They are good people and I feel they cared about us personally.

Tapeguy in NC

[SocialDreg]

BCC is right.  All Colombian Girls moved to a broom closet on La Quinta, Cali VIP has a hole in the wall office off of Sexta and they aren't open most of the time nor do they answer phones.

I agreee that there are more playboys coming down here and the girls know it.  That is they are not signing up like they did years ago.  Cali is a small town when it comes to the gringo scene.  Word travels fast.

Luz  of Latin's Worst.....oops I mean Latin  Best has been trying desperately to have someone lease her house and agency.  Last price I heard was 800,000 a month.  For that you get a run down house and a data base that hasn't been updated in years.

There are a couple of other small, one person agencys. I call them traveling agencys because they usually don't have an office.   They are usually operated by secretarys that left an agency and took the data base with them.

The agency scene here in Cali is almost dead.
I know of two operators that have started marriage agency/video sex chat combos.  One is in La Luna and the other is in the north

[bcc_1_2]

Well there's no question that ladies signing up for agencies is down. I have a friend in Kiev Ukraine and he says it's the same over there. I guess there are many reasons both from the ladies side and ours. IMBRA has hurt, playboys have ruined it for many guys. Gold diggers and ladies who are not really serious have hurt.

As for Cali Charm, I will allways be thankfull for all the help they gave Estrella and I. They are good people and I feel they cared about us personally.

Tapeguy in NC

Ah a truthful response. Cool. I'm glad you had a great experience. I am just a little surprised you admitted that Cali Charm just doesn't have a fresh pool of chicas anymore. But with Cali Charm and any of the rest if you see someone you want to meet go ahead and pay per meet. Despite the fact that you are so close with the agency it didn't cloud your judgement with your last response.. IMO its important to remember these are businesses not your best friend. Businesses are out to make a profit which is great but their interests can be far different than your actual friends.

I give most of the credit to internet access for these young ladies and younger generations learning more english. But I'm sure you are correct... playboys have a role in it too.

[soltero]

I give most of the credit to internet access for these young ladies and younger generations learning more english. But I'm sure you are correct... playboys have a role in it too.

I believe that ALL Colombian grade school children learn English. They just don't really get the chance to use it before they forget it completely.

[Calipro]

I agreee that there are more playboys coming down here and the girls know it.  That is they are not signing up like they did years ago.  Cali is a small town when it comes to the gringo scene.  Word travels fast.

Luz  of Latin's Worst.....oops I mean Latin  Best has been trying desperately to have someone lease her house and agency.  Last price I heard was 800,000 a month.  For that you get a run down house and a data base that hasn't been updated in years.

There are a couple of other small, one person agencys. I call them traveling agencys because they usually don't have an office.   They are usually operated by secretarys that left an agency and took the data base with them.

The agency scene here in Cali is almost dead.
I know of two operators that have started marriage agency/video sex chat combos.  One is in La Luna and the other is in the north

I don't really think the Playboys (I mean the Pay for Play Boys) have hurt the marriage agency scene in Cali. If we really got some Playboys down here that the girls could be seen at Chipichape with without feeling embarrassed it would do a world of good for the agency scene IMHO.

As far as I'm concerned it's the dorks that calenas wouldn't marry for a green card and ten grand a month that have hurt the marriage agency scene here in Cali.

What I wouldn't give to have a gringo friend here in Cali that might actually be able to steal a girl away from me once in a while.

There are a couple of guys I know here that are actually making a decent living in Cali doing the video sex chat thing. But I only know of one that seconds as a marriage agency and they are located in the South. Might not be an appealing combo for some but I don't have anything bad to say about them simply because the agency and the girls are upfront about what they do.

About Cali best I think Luz finally got a taker....I heard that there was a gringo in Blues Brothers a couple weeks back bragging that he was renting Cali Best for 1 million peso a month.

[AsianGuy]

I'm planning on making my first trip to Cali next month for one week and looking to use the Bed and Breakfast service with Cali Charm.  Would you guys recommend their service for my very first trip there?  I have also been noticing that their database is way too outdated and no new girls has been added in the past month or so.  My main concern is that because of their limited and old database, it won't be as productive as I would like.  Any advise for a newbie?

[Calipro]

I'm planning on making my first trip to Cali next month for one week and looking to use the Bed and Breakfast service with Cali Charm.  Would you guys recommend their service for my very first trip there?  I have also been noticing that their database is way too outdated and no new girls has been added in the past month or so.  My main concern is that because of their limited and old database, it won't be as productive as I would like.  Any advise for a newbie?

I think Cali Charm is a reputable agency. My problem with them would be I can't hardly find women on there website that I find attractive enought to even take out on a date let alone marry.

If I were you I'd use every agency in Cali while I'm there on a per cita basis just to make good use of my limited time.

If you need friends to show you around then send me a private email and I'll send you my phone number.

Take care,

[AsianGuy]

Thanks Calipro for the honest and straight up response.  I am looking to travel to Cali on April 18th and stay there until the following weekend.  I will send you a PM right now.

[AsianGuy]

Hey Calipro....I just sent you the PM but not sure if it went through or not.  That was the first time that I've ever tried that option.  I read somewhere that you have to have so many postings before you can send a PM and just wanted to make sure you got it.  Thanks.

[Tapeguy]

I don't really think the Playboys (I mean the Pay for Play Boys) have hurt the marriage agency scene in Cali. If we really got some Playboys down here that the girls could be seen at Chipichape with without feeling embarrassed it would do a world of good for the agency scene IMHO.

As far as I'm concerned it's the dorks that calenas wouldn't marry for a green card and ten grand a month that have hurt the marriage agency scene here in Cali.

What I wouldn't give to have a gringo friend here in Cali that might actually be able to steal a girl away from me once in a while.

There are a couple of guys I know here that are actually making a decent living in Cali doing the video sex chat thing. But I only know of one that seconds as a marriage agency and they are located in the South. Might not be an appealing combo for some but I don't have anything bad to say about them simply because the agency and the girls are upfront about what they do.

About Cali best I think Luz finally got a taker....I heard that there was a gringo in Blues Brothers a couple weeks back bragging that he was renting Cali Best for 1 million peso a month.

Calipro
Your point is well taken I agree 100% with your statement.

"As far as I'm concerned it's the dorks that calenas wouldn't marry for a green card and ten grand a month that have hurt the marriage agency scene here in Cali."

I remember one time a Russian translator said in her openion the break down of American men was the following:

25% Playboys
25% Normal
50% Strange

I asked her which group I fell into? Still waiting on that answer 

I've met some guys who, well frankly embarrassed me. If you have zero game in the states the laws of physics will not change when you take a 4 hour airplane ride. I think the use of the internet by the younger girls is as big a reason for the slow down as anything. 10 years ago very few ladies had access and now very few don't.

I've allways liked to stay at Bed and Breakfasts even while on vacation in the states. On my first trip to Cali I stayed at the Hotel Intercontinental for $100+ then found Cali Charm for $50 with a great breakfast, For me it's still the best place to stay in Cali even if you don't use the agency side of the business.


Tapeguy in NC

[Dan]

I've allways liked to stay at Bed and Breakfasts even while on vacation in the states. On my first trip to Cali I stayed at the Hotel Intercontinental for $100+ then found Cali Charm for $50 with a great breakfast, For me it's still the best place to stay in Cali even if you don't use the agency side of the business.


Tapeguy in NC

Others will express different opinions, but I have always felt honesty and integrity is an important ingredient in those whom I choose to conduct business with. In the case of Cali Charm, the *real* owner, Roy, is a bald-faced liar. Ximena acts as his 'front' - and the guy who really made things run smoothly (Walter) left the agency (even though he, too, was described as the "owner" at one time).

For some, the fact that the *real* owner is a liar and is pulling a ruse on all the customers means little or nothing. For some, the fact that the *real* owner has listed the house for sale and demonstrates no stability or accountability means little or nothing.

I just happen to disagree.

FWIW

- Dan

[bcc_1_2]

Others will express different opinions, but I have always felt honesty and integrity is an important ingredient in those whom I choose to conduct business with. In the case of Cali Charm, the *real* owner, Roy, is a bald-faced liar. Ximena acts as his 'front' - and the guy who really made things run smoothly (Walter) left the agency (even though he, too, was described as the "owner" at one time).

For some, the fact that the *real* owner is a liar and is pulling a ruse on all the customers means little or nothing. For some, the fact that the *real* owner has listed the house for sale and demonstrates no stability or accountability means little or nothing.

I just happen to disagree.

FWIW

- Dan

Wow I'm surprised you are coming out and making a statement against the agency. Just curious about the actual lie? Are we talking about just lying about who owns it or are there other lies?

I can understand while even just the lie about ownership might bother you Dan. I definiately would say to use caution if a single gringo was the real owner and using others as a front. Questions about single gringo ownership definately do matter in my opinion.

I wouldn't stay at the B&B but to be honest I don't think I've ever read a bad review about their service there. The price is cheap for a single meeting and the B&B is a pretty decent deal. My first issue is with their database because without a good database what is the point in visiting them in the first place. If they don't get crackin' on that database it won't matter who the owner is.

[bcc_1_2]

What I wouldn't give to have a gringo friend here in Cali that might actually be able to steal a girl away from me once in a while.

Got a pic? 

It is true there are some dorks down there. At least that's what I saw. Me and my buddy were definiately the youngest guys. If you are fairly young, in shape, got hair on your head, and have some game... Ricky Martin aint got nothing on you.

[CROW]

Got a pic? 

It is true there are some dorks down there. At least that's what I saw. Me and my buddy were definiately the youngest guys. If you are fairly young, in shape, got hair on your head, and have some game... Ricky Martin aint got nothing on you.

Ricky Martin isn't all that popular here in Cali....I'm not sure anyone would even show up if he tried to have a concert here.

It would be nice to seen some young good looking gringos here in Cali for a change.

[Dan]

Wow I'm surprised you are coming out and making a statement against the agency. Just curious about the actual lie? Are we talking about just lying about who owns it or are there other lies?

I can understand while even just the lie about ownership might bother you Dan. I definiately would say to use caution if a single gringo was the real owner and using others as a front. Questions about single gringo ownership definately do matter in my opinion.

I wouldn't stay at the B&B but to be honest I don't think I've ever read a bad review about their service there. The price is cheap for a single meeting and the B&B is a pretty decent deal. My first issue is with their database because without a good database what is the point in visiting them in the first place. If they don't get crackin' on that database it won't matter who the owner is.

Not sure why my comments should surprise you. If you have read the Agency Code of Ethics, you will find this language:

2. The Agency Business
IR recognizes that Agencies are enterprises operating for revenue, and not humanitarian non-profit institutions. Consequently, they shall observe those criteria of transparency and accountability commonly applying to all business enterprises, as well as some additional criteria germane to their particular type of activity. Specifically, Agencies shall :

2-A (Business Registration)
Be formally registered with local, regional or national government entities as is customary for any business enterprise in the country where they are located. Any Agency licenses or other permits shall be made available and supplied to IR or to any Agency Client requesting this information.

2-B (Business Regulations)
Conform with the rules and regulations governing their type of business activity in their country of registration. Should Agency Clients reside in countries other than an Agency's registered place of business, the corresponding rules and regulations of such other countries shall also be complied with.

2-C (Traceability)
List the complete Agency business street and mailing addresses, telephone numbers, fax number, and the email address of the Agency manager or primary point of contact for external communications.

2-D (Business Conditions)
Disclose the Agency Terms and Conditions of Service and the full pricing structure of the Agency Services offered to Agency Clients.

2-E (Business Affiliations)
Reveal any existing Agency associations with, connections to, affiliations with, and/or dependencies on other operators in the same or similar areas of business.

2-F (Display of Business Information)
Except for item A, all the above Agency information should be displayed prominently either on the home page of the Agency Site(s), or on clearly identifiable links from the Agency Site(s) home page to subordinate pages, both in the Agencies' national language and in any other language used on the Agency Site(s).

2-G (Confidentiality of Agency Client Information)
Agencies shall clearly and explicitly inform their staff of the confidential and private nature of Agency Client information, and implement appropriate procedures and controls to ensure that said confidentiality and privacy are respected at all times, except in the specific case set forth in Section 6-B hereinafter.

2-H (Protection of Agency Client Privacy)
Agencies shall at all times ensure that Agency Client information is exclusively used for the purposes outlined in Scope & Definitions hereinbefore, and take prompt remedial action on being notified of any violations by Agency Clients and/or third parties of Agency Client privacy.

Note particularly the opening text which states; "IR recognizes that Agencies are enterprises operating for revenue, and not humanitarian non-profit institutions. Consequently, they shall observe those criteria of transparency and accountability commonly applying to all business enterprises?" (emphasis added is mine).

Also reference the "Agency Card" at RWD, item # 1, found here -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=6. The first item states: "Agency's ownership/management is clearly indicated" - as a factor in considering whether an agency is worthwhile or not.

When the *real* owner denies their role and hides behind a ruse, it arouses suspicion (at least). When that same *real* owner demands their employees be complicit with his charade, it belies a level of corruption.

It has been my experience that if a person will lie to you about small things - they will lie to you about big things.

I don't like being lied to.

- Dan