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[Researcher]

IMBRA was challenged by agencies and they lost because they were not losing there individual rights. The unconstitutionality of the law is in the denied individual, which it has yet to do, or has yet to been challenged.

Where they hell you get bringing them to the US without a visa is beyond me. You have gone way of track with what i was talking about.

 No I haven't gone way off track. You claim that just because you think a law is silly you don't have to follow it.What I am saying is try and test that theory by claiming a visa isn't needed to bring someone to the US because you think it is silly.

  Silly or not the law is the law.

  If anyone wants to know how guys can end up in bad situations with the visa process, pay close attention here.Thinking that some things just don't matter because it doesn't make sense to them is how it happens. I saw several people turned away when I was at the embassy in Bogota last year and from what I over heard they just were not prepared.

 

[Researcher]

Then it's old news.

No, one million is not a huge amount when you consider the billions trillions these dumb-assed politicians are throwing around lately...   

      Do you think any of this money has been thrown toward any feminist's causes? I hear a big chunk was earmarked for VAWA, which is one of VP Joe Biden's favorite causes.Isn't IMBRA a part of that?

[Ray]

      Do you think any of this money has been thrown toward any feminist's causes? I hear a big chunk was earmarked for VAWA, which is one of VP Joe Biden's favorite causes.Isn't IMBRA a part of that?

Probably...

That's why I was interested in your post about the "huge" amount of money doled out recently. I thought maybe the Dems had given Tahiri a few billion in one of their latest liberal give away programs...

Yes, VAWA and IMBRA are intertwined. The feminists equate foreign brides with violence against women. Sadly, there are a lot of idiots out there who fall for that line of crap, including many of our stupid politicians and even our former president who didn't hesitate to sign IMBRA into law.

 

[Ray]

If anyone wants to know how guys can end up in bad situations with the visa process, pay close attention here.Thinking that some things just don't matter because it doesn't make sense to them is how it happens.

I agree with Researcher. Ignore IMBRA at your own peril.

With the bozos running the government now, I would expect increased enforcement of IMBRA. Just wait until B.O. appoints Layli Miller-Muro as head of the USCIS. Then you'll really see some change you can believe in… LOL!

     

[eddomo1970]

 No I haven't gone way off track. You claim that just because you think a law is silly you don't have to follow it.What I am saying is try and test that theory by claiming a visa isn't needed to bring someone to the US because you think it is silly.

There is where you go off track. I was talking about Colombia businesses are not required to follow US law. Never said try to bring someone over without a visa.

Americans think they can dictate laws to the world but don't follow International laws.

[Researcher]

There is where you go off track. I was talking about Colombia businesses are not required to follow US law. Never said try to bring someone over without a visa.

Americans think they can dictate laws to the world but don't follow International laws.

            I made the point that the way the US can enforce IMBRA is by denying visas.If you think they can't or won't do that then you are off track.

           As far as the other I wanted to give an example of your "silly law" theory.It doesn't matter if you think a law is silly or not, it is still the law. The feminists got this one slipped in and I don't think they will let it slide until it is fully enforced.When I went through the process I was asked if we used an IMB and if so they wanted contact info for the agency.IMO, they are preparing to enforce this law and from what I've seen it is just a matter of who handles it.(the DOJ, DOS, etc...). If one year from now it is fully enforced and visas start getting turned down because of it I guess that everyone can say "its just a silly law, I want my visa".I can see the CO's and USCIS laughing at that response.


           Researcher

[eddomo1970]

            I made the point that the way the US can enforce IMBRA is by denying visas.If you think they can't or won't do that then you are off track.

           As far as the other I wanted to give an example of your "silly law" theory.It doesn't matter if you think a law is silly or not, it is still the law. The feminists got this one slipped in and I don't think they will let it slide until it is fully enforced.When I went through the process I was asked if we used an IMB and if so they wanted contact info for the agency.IMO, they are preparing to enforce this law and from what I've seen it is just a matter of who handles it.(the DOJ, DOS, etc...). If one year from now it is fully enforced and visas start getting turned down because of it I guess that everyone can say "its just a silly law, I want my visa".I can see the CO's and USCIS laughing at that response.


           Researcher

I doubt they ever push to deny based on the IMB portion of the law, because they know it is unconstitutional if they deny a visa based on it. If they deny a VISA based on IMB portion of the law and then get sued, the law will be thrown out. They don't want that. As it stands it is mostly symbolic, to pacify the feminazi's. Now of course they can say they deny for other reasons as a guise, but if you get a good lawyer you shouldn't have problems.

Now all this could be avoided if you learn a little spanish and not use an agency. I mean hell, communicating with the woman before marriage? Who would have thought that would be important. 

[Researcher]

I doubt they ever push to deny based on the IMB portion of the law, because they know it is unconstitutional if they deny a visa based on it. If they deny a VISA based on IMB portion of the law and then get sued, the law will be thrown out. They don't want that. As it stands it is mostly symbolic, to pacify the feminazi's. Now of course they can say they deny for other reasons as a guise, but if you get a good lawyer you shouldn't have problems.

Now all this could be avoided if you learn a little spanish and not use an agency. I mean hell, communicating with the woman before marriage? Who would have thought that would be important. 

    I think we agree more than disagree here, eddomo.Learning spanish is definitely the way to go.You are correct, if you get a good lawyer and fight being denied a visa(for probably years)you have a chance of beating it, maybe. It is easier just to comply IMO.

[minotoro]

What if I met my wife in Facebook and decided to go down there? No IMBRA then right

[eddomo1970]

What if I met my wife in Facebook and decided to go down there? No IMBRA then right

Facebook is not a marriage broker. So it shouldn't apply from what I have read.

[Researcher]

What if I met my wife in Facebook and decided to go down there? No IMBRA then right

        Shouldn't be any problem.And remember to keep you boarding passes, hotel receipts,etc... and any other proof you may have of your relationship because you will be trying to convince a complete stranger that you have a legit relationship.I found that to be no problem, all I had to do was tell the truth.

  Researcher

[william3rd]

I doubt they ever push to deny based on the IMB portion of the law, because they know it is unconstitutional if they deny a visa based on it. If they deny a VISA based on IMB portion of the law and then get sued, the law will be thrown out.

Sorry, dude. You are wrong wrong wrong here. They deny nonimmigrant visas all the time. The right of the sovereign to control who enters and under what conditions is controlling.

They cant stop you from MARRYING whoever you want but they can deny a fiancee visa. And IMBRA gives them a specific ground to deny.

[eddomo1970]

Sorry, dude. You are wrong wrong wrong here. They deny nonimmigrant visas all the time. The right of the sovereign to control who enters and under what conditions is controlling.

They cant stop you from MARRYING whoever you want but they can deny a fiancee visa. And IMBRA gives them a specific ground to deny.

I have yet to read of any person being denied because of IMBRA. Maybe you have. I would like to read of this if you know about any case, I could be wrong and it has happened, but like I said I have not read of a single case yet.

The law does not pertain to my situation, but it is something I did spend hours checking into before I decided to get in a relationship with a person from a foreign country, basically I wanted to know the whole process before I went down the relationship path. Even 3 plus years later I have yet to read of a single case.

[william3rd]

And you think it is because the government is afraid of a bunch (er, handful) of yahoos that might sue them if they get denied for agency screening failures? Hmmmm. . . . and while these guys are suing the government for a year or three, where do you think their girlfriends are sitting? Probably in front of a computer screen in their apartment talking to guys from Germany or France

THere is currently a new processing procedure on IMBRA cases in place. We are talking about the 2 in 2 years or three lifetime provisions for waiver.

And if one of the more unstable of your compadres happens to beat his woman half to death and the agency didnt follow the IMBRA screening rules because the owner was too arrogant or something like that. . .how many hours do you think it will take to put ultramax procedures in place?

[eddomo1970]

And you think it is because the government is afraid of a bunch (er, handful) of yahoos that might sue them if they get denied for agency screening failures? Hmmmm. . . . and while these guys are suing the government for a year or three, where do you think their girlfriends are sitting? Probably in front of a computer screen in their apartment talking to guys from Germany or France

THere is currently a new processing procedure on IMBRA cases in place. We are talking about the 2 in 2 years or three lifetime provisions for waiver.

And if one of the more unstable of your compadres happens to beat his woman half to death and the agency didnt follow the IMBRA screening rules because the owner was too arrogant or something like that. . .how many hours do you think it will take to put ultramax procedures in place?

Maybe one of your "compadres" will do it first. My "compadres" don't use agencies.