sorry old news about the jamie and sean slug fest

[Kiltboy1]

Machine

That is what I always have said that if there was someone that opened an agency in Barranquilla and EXCELED IN CUSTOMER SERVICE , the way that it supposed to be, Jamie would die a slow painful death as far as his agency goes. Jamie looks out for Jamie and nobody else .Quite frankly I used to send people to his agency until I was one day in BAQ myself and a guy I met who went to another agency  who I think is no longer there ,because he had not heard of Jamie's agency ,  well he was getting worse CS then even Heir Jamie provides. I said, hey, come on, I KNOW A GUY.  Well, End of story was that Jamie was not interested in helping this guy out who by the way, had many contacts he could have refereed him to. Jamie's response was that he was not interested in men that did no buy into his total package. Thus, he is and always will be on my [snip] list for just that you simple minded little man.

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                I vote to lock this topic now.

I'd like an answer to my question in bold but yea then feel free to lock away.

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Jamie's response was that he was not interested in men that did no buy into his total package.

I think that was what Sean was suggesting.

[PainfullyObvious]

Wow, well I should apologize to everyone who is reading this thread.  It is painfully obvious to me that every person that disagrees, offer different viewpoints, or suggest otherwise is wrong (including myself) and Jamie is right.  

There is nothing more I can add.  I have never used Jamie's agency, so I don't really have anything productive to add to this thread about his agency or the service he provides.  I certainly do not want to be a negative contributor to these forums, they are much to valuable to sincere people who are looking for international relationships.  

[Researcher]

If you want the topic locked simply stop reading and posting you’ll get the same result.

                I don't think my posts have kept this zombie thread alive.  You should quit while you are behind, you are really looking ridiculous.   

[Researcher]

               Since this thread is still going, I'd like to contribute a bit of advice that is based on my experience. Never get too "chummy" with an agency owner.I learned to maintain my distance when I was looking and it paid off. Remember that they are business people and are there to make money. Keep your distance and choose for yourself. If you know this going in then you won't feel betrayed when something happens or you have a disagreement.

              Researcher

[Dan]

               Since this thread is still going, I'd like to contribute a bit of advice that is based on my experience. Never get too "chummy" with an agency owner.I learned to maintain my distance when I was looking and it paid off. Remember that they are business people and are there to make money. Keep your distance and choose for yourself. If you know this going in then you won't feel betrayed when something happens or you have a disagreement.

              Researcher

Isn't the same true of ANY service provider you may utilize?

For example, do you *normally* become close friends (or "chummy") with:

Your doctor
Your attorney
Your accountant
Your barber
Your auto mechanic
Your dry cleaner

It just makes sense to me that ANYTIME you engage someone's professional services, it is a business transaction and it needs to be recognized for what it is. You are entering into a contract (even if only verbal) for services to be performed in exchange for monetary consideration. Pretty straight-forward.

- Dan

[JR33]

          It seems that I am not the only former customer of jamie's that doesn't think his service is all that great. Just because you see alot of guys using his service doesn't mean that all of them are satisfied customers. You can go to just about any agency and see a bunch of middle-aged fat guys chasing 19-20 year old girls.And that is especially true for the coastal area and party towns.

         "Don't get too chummy with agency owners", great advice.

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It just makes sense to me that ANYTIME you engage someone's professional services, it is a business transaction and it needs to be recognized for what it is.
- Dan

Excellent point that needed to be made.

[Researcher]

Isn't the same true of ANY service provider you may utilize?

For example, do you *normally* become close friends (or "chummy") with:

Your doctor
Your attorney
Your accountant
Your barber
Your auto mechanic
Your dry cleaner

It just makes sense to me that ANYTIME you engage someone's professional services, it is a business transaction and it needs to be recognized for what it is. You are entering into a contract (even if only verbal) for services to be performed in exchange for monetary consideration. Pretty straight-forward.

- Dan

  I was thinking more along the lines of a used car salesman but here in the US you can sue so maybe a used car salesman outside the US. Oh well, I guess you could always take them to PL Court anyway.

[Dan]

  I was thinking more along the lines of a used car salesman but here in the US you can sue so maybe a used car salesman outside the US. Oh well, I guess you could always take them to PL Court anyway.

Are you thinking you cannot sue someone outside the US?

Does the ability to sue make any difference to your selection?

I presume you are not claiming that Jamie has done something that would warrant a lawsuit - are you?

- Dan

[Alabamaboy!]

JR33,

It is not the number of guys that are using Jamie's agency that is impressive...since I bet probably more guys are using the big agencies that have the "tours". What is impressive is the number of guys that have had success there. And normal looking guys with normal looking girls. Not like some of the "success" stories you see on other sites that show a guy about 60 years old, way past his prime, with a below average looking chica.

And again, the reason his place works is not because of his personality, it is because he runs a tighter ship than the rest, has a better than average attendance by the chicas, has good translators, and the business model he uses with the groups at the beginning. Oh, and he appears to "cull" out the bad apples from the site and updates/removes profiles very quickly if the girls are no longer available.

All those things are pretty basic, and seemingly simple to duplicate. But in Colombia....I guess it is next to impossible.  

Look at All Colombian Girls.....in Cali...they have tons of hotties. Their website is cool. But they suck as an agency. Can't get hold of the girls, the profiles are old, lots of dead time, etc. And I have not seen many success stories from there, have you??? All of the other agencies are similar....they have a few of the components for success, but are unable to efficiently provide the results like Jamie has. You can check the forum archives for yourself like I did to see the reality.

I, and I bet many other guys, would definitely use another agency if they had better results.

And I am not arguing with any guys out there that say that for a spanish speaking guy, an agency is not really necessary or a "matchmaker" agency with one on one service might be better if the person at the agency is from the city and knows the cultural aspects inside and out.....but that system can only work for the guys who have weeks and weeks, if not months to do things one by one.  

For all the rest of us, Jamies method is pretty good because you meet tons of chicas who already have a basic interest in you. And it happens very quickly. And you should come away from that phase with at least a handful of viable candidates if you did your part well by seaching his site thoroughly. I am very picky with what I am looking for, and after the smoke cleared I had met about 7 good wife material candidates during my last trip there. And that was during the worst possible time of the year to go there....during Carnaval.

[Pivery]

  For the life of me, I will never understand the morbid facination of Jamie, his personal life and how many people he has supposedly screwed.

Although he is obviously a business man and advertises his agency, his personal life doesn't interest me nor should it be fodder for the board. His agency is not the only game in town down there, but as machine69 alluded to if there was a better agency with better results and cheaper, then his agency would obviously crumble.

This whole dust storm over Jamie and his agency reminds me of Walmart. There are entire website devoted to bashing the company and how it treats its employees and how they buy products for dirt cheap. People spend endless hours debating how Walmart should crash and burn, but meanwhile they one of the top companies in the world and you can't even find a parking spot there. So even though their business practices are perhaps somewhat suspect their results are the the only thing that count.

When I began my journey of finding a potential mate, I went through 2 other half-baked agencies. They were a whole lot cheaper and it showed. This was in 2007. As I occasionally check out to see if they are still around, the same girls are on their site. The same picture and the same old info. So after getting screwed by them, I found Jamie's. I am a guy who wants results not B.S. So since I couldn't even get so much as a return email or a return phone call from the others, he answered the phone and stayed on the phone longer than I even expected him to.

So what I'm getting at is Jamie from what I saw while there was not some used car salesman, but rather more like a very organized no clowning around business man. The place ran like a Rolex from what I saw, and the girls there all seemed to have marching orders and were doing their jobs without fear or being yelled at. I've worked at places here in the states that didn't run like this, so I'm not sure where the idea of him running around with a bullwhip came from.

I didn't want a new buddy in Jamie. I wanted a wife and from his organization including the assistant that worked with me, I found her. There was no way I was going to jerk around on the streets myself and hang out at the malls or dive bars to have the found my fiancee now. Anyway, I don't want to promote or trash any agency or site. If you don't like a place, don't go there. If his place was run as poorly as some here have suggested than he wouldn't be around. Not to mention you sure would hear alot more bad experiences if he was the goat portrayed here. As I said, I didn't go all the way down there from California to find a new facebook friend in Jamie. And for some, his personality and responses are cold, standoffish and maybe to some rude, but should it really matter if you like the owner or are you there to get what was agreed to? He didn't talk my ear off and slap me on the back over beers, but he did everything that he said he would do and in the end, that's all that should matter.

Peace To All
Pivery

[Dan]

FL,

This is getting to be old news.

It is clear you and Jamie are at odds with one another. It seems clear you are both willing to 'pick at each other' over trivial comments - and yes, I realize you (and Jamie) can take exception to my use of the term "trivial" - but most reasonable people can, and do, see what is going on between you two.

So I think this is going to come down to this:

* If you and Jamie wish to engage one another, it needs to be done in the PL Court. In that way, we can prevent the spillover into other areas of the forum.
* If you or Jamie are unwilling (or unable) to take you 'issue' to the PL Court - then you should not engage one another in the forum.

There have been numerous instances of a couple of PL members demonstrating 'natural toxicity' with one another, and Patrick would implement a 'no contact or ban' rule. This accomplishes the same thing, and provides an outlet for resolution of whatever the dispute is between you.

Soooo . . . if you want to continue to engage Jamie (and Jamie - the same holds for you), then frame your dispute into an 'issue' that can be heard in the PL Court.

Otherwise - drop it. Both of you.

- Dan

For the record - BOTH Jamie and FindaLatina have honored my request to cease their squabbles in the open forum.

Both Jamie and FindaLatina are actively working with me (and others) to establish a framework to present, and resolve, their dispute. It may, or may not, become an issue to be presented to the PL Court. That will depend on whether or not the nature of the dispute is appropriate for this forum - and we have yet to decide that.

The MAIN point of this message is that both Jamie and FindaLatina have demonstrated their willingness to find a productive outcome and are engaged in a process to achieve that. They both deserve recognition for this - and hopefully, we shall eventually achieve a mutually agreeable outcome.

- Dan

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  For the life of me, I will never understand the morbid facination of Jamie, his personal life and how many people he has supposedly screwed.

Ok Pivery I'll explain my exact thoughts on this. For me it is not about this one agency personally. My advice is always going to be to watch your wallet. The reason is that this is a very expensive process involving many trips.

When it comes to agencies in general I just advise against going with any package. The reason is because social networking sites (with a lot of the same women) are free and dating personal sites are cheap. So I'd go pay per meet only.

As for Jamie's personal life or anyone else. If it is something you talk about and put on your business website, then it is something you marketed to people. Again this isn't about any individual but just the general principle of single foreign men owning an agency. They simply have a bad reputation. There is another message board out there that would point this out right away.

As for agencies and getting screwed. Well there are a lot of examples out there were people are saying they get screwed. With Jamie what seems to come up is you only get helped when you buy an expensive package. And as long as that is established (which he tries to hide) I have NO PROBLEMS with Jamie doing what he wants to do. However when I look at it and compare it to my experience... I say its not worth it. Other posters have said dropping several K with him isn't worth it. It is just an opinion. A very different opinion from saying its a scam or rip off. Just a bad deal.

Jamie links to PL and has great things to say about the posters on this website. In fact he suggests readers visit it to learn about him. That is probably why people dissenting with him is annoying him so much. But it is something he's just going to have to deal with.

Nobody should get a free pass. His is over. Nothing personal.

[Researcher]

I presume you are not claiming that Jamie has done something that would warrant a lawsuit - are you?

- Dan

         If I was going to claim such a thing, I would claim it. Your presumption is wrong.

[Dan]

        If I was going to claim such a thing, I would claim it. Your presumption is wrong.

Actually, I think you meant to say my presumption was RIGHT.

Ok Pivery I'll explain my exact thoughts on this. For me it is not about this one agency personally. My advice is always going to be to watch your wallet. The reason is that this is a very expensive process involving many trips.

When it comes to agencies in general I just advise against going with any package. The reason is because social networking sites (with a lot of the same women) are free and dating personal sites are cheap. So I'd go pay per meet only.

As for Jamie's personal life or anyone else. If it is something you talk about and put on your business website, then it is something you marketed to people. Again this isn't about any individual but just the general principle of single foreign men owning an agency. They simply have a bad reputation. There is another message board out there that would point this out right away.

As for agencies and getting screwed. Well there are a lot of examples out there were people are saying they get screwed. With Jamie what seems to come up is you only get helped when you buy an expensive package. And as long as that is established (which he tries to hide) I have NO PROBLEMS with Jamie doing what he wants to do. However when I look at it and compare it to my experience... I say its not worth it. Other posters have said dropping several K with him isn't worth it. It is just an opinion. A very different opinion from saying its a scam or rip off. Just a bad deal.

Jamie links to PL and has great things to say about the posters on this website. In fact he suggests readers visit it to learn about him. That is probably why people dissenting with him is annoying him so much. But it is something he's just going to have to deal with.

Nobody should get a free pass. His is over. Nothing personal.

Just looking at the emboldened phrases - it sure looks like you are contradicting yourself. You say you are not focused on one agency - and then go on to address one, and only one, agency.

Funny.

- Dan

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Just looking at the emboldened phrases - it sure looks like you are contradicting yourself. You say you are not focused on one agency - and then go on to address one, and only one, agency.

Funny.

- Dan

Why because I used the word his? Isn't he included in the agency scene? Meaning he would be amoung those businesses that shouldn't get a free pass?

Just to clarify I don't think he is the worst out there and truthfully I never plan to waste much money with any of them to find out. Why? Because there is just no need to.

I met women all over town. I met them off personal sites and even meet a few from a couple agencies. I have an inbox full of chica emails right now and it didn't cost me hardly anything to meet them. Not a great message for those (ANY AGENCY) trying to sell packages for thousands of dollars.

[Researcher]

Actually, I think you meant to say my presumption was RIGHT.

- Dan

 Oh, then your ASSUMPTION is wrong.

[Dan]

 Oh, then your ASSUMPTION is wrong.

Nope. I did not make an assumption. I specifically stated that I was presuming you are NOT claiming Jamie was doing anything wrong. I then added a simple clarifying question to be sure.

In any case - we are saying the same thing - just picking at the way it was said (written, actually) - which is silly (IMO).

Why because I used the word his? Isn't he included in the agency scene? Meaning he would be amoung those businesses that shouldn't get a free pass?

Just to clarify I don't think he is the worst out there and truthfully I never plan to waste much money with any of them to find out. Why? Because there is just no need to.

I met women all over town. I met them off personal sites and even meet a few from a couple agencies. I have an inbox full of chica emails right now and it didn't cost me hardly anything to meet them. Not a great message for those (ANY AGENCY) trying to sell packages for thousands of dollars.

bcc - one of the things I have seen repeated time after time after time - and that is, some people will come here having experienced some level of 'success' and will promote their approach to the exclusion of all others. It is GREAT that you were able to meet women "all over town" with your approach - but surely you recognize that not everyone will feel comfortable following your style - right?

Different strokes for different folks.

- Dan

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but surely you recognize that not everyone will feel comfortable following your style - right?

I was lucky in that someone with me spoke spanish. However the social networking sites and dating sites can easily keep you busy for the duration of your trip with a deep pool of chicas.

But you are right we all do whats right for us. I'm simply advocating for the other side of the issue. That packages are a bad deal. More than willing to agree to disagree.

[Researcher]

Nope. I did not make an assumption. I specifically stated that I was presuming you are NOT claiming Jamie was doing anything wrong. I then added a simple clarifying question to be sure.

In any case - we are saying the same thing - just picking at the way it was said (written, actually) - which is silly (IMO).

- Dan

      Agreed.

[Pivery]

  BCC,

Yes, I understand your points and differing opinions are appreciated and needed. That's what a forum is designed for. And I take everyone's opinion to heart. I just hate the mob mentality that sprouts up here occasionally. We can all agree and disagree with each others views but all that I'm asking is that it's done respectfully.

I'm sure there are newbies and people just blowing through that witness some of these catfights and get scared off. We should all be here to help the people behind us and to engage each other as we would like people to talk to us. Yes, I can see how Jamie responds with the now patented cut-and-paste technique or perhaps badgering some members here, but everyone's personality is different and I know sometimes mine isn't the greatest either.

I'm glad that you can find women without the need of an agency, however there are some that are not familiar with being incountry down there and to have things laid out for you in the short time you have is a positive. I appreciate being able to say that I thoroughly enjoyed my experience with his agency. If someone asks, I will mention it, but I also mention the fact that there are other methods. I'm sure that most people, even newbies will not be hypnotized into going to Jamie's automatically. I poured over agency websites for months before I went with him as I'm sure most others do as well. He was not part of the equation really when I was there, he had some very capable assistants that helped me. My only statement to all on the board is it's just distasteful to see what happens here sometimes and we should always no matter what, be civil towards each other. That's all

Peace to all,

Pivery

[Researcher]

  I'm glad that you can find women without the need of an agency, however there are some that are not familiar with being incountry down there and to have things laid out for you in the short time you have is a positive.

Pivery

           I couldn't agree more Pivery.But alot of us here at PL are only trying to help newbies by sharing our experience. I often wonder how many guys check the CDC website to see if they need to take any precautions against things like Malaria and Yellow Fever before they travel to another country. I do this because a friend of mine came back with E-coli. I had noticed that he would eat anywhere and anything like he was here in the US. You just don't need to do that when you travel the poor countries.My wife's father died as a result of these unsanitary conditions in Cali. Many guys are here to help because they want to, not to profit.


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[Dan]

           I couldn't agree more Pivery.But alot of us here at PL are only trying to help newbies by sharing our experience. I often wonder how many guys check the CDC website to see if they need to take any precautions against things like Malaria and Yellow Fever before they travel to another country. I do this because a friend of mine came back with E-coli. I had noticed that he would eat anywhere and anything like he was here in the US. You just don't need to do that when you travel the poor countries.My wife's father died as a result of these unsanitary conditions in Cali. Many guys are here to help because they want to, not to profit.


     Researcher

>>alot of us here at PL are only trying to help newbies by sharing our experience.<<

And that is VERY much appreciated - sincerely.

>>Many guys are here to help because they want to, not to profit.<<

Very true.

Since PL made the decision to run ads, we have been accused of all sorts of wrongdoing. I attribute that to one of two things - jealousy by wannabe site owners and natural suspicions about profit motive and its corrosive influences.

Responding to those allegations and concerns is a large part of why we wrote the PL Values and expect our members to hold us accountable to them. Revenues earned here at PL go towards numerous initiatives that are, or should be, evident to the PL members as benefiting them. Such initiatives as the Agency Code of Ethics and the Survey of Cross-Cultural Marriage and Divorce do not come free. My point being that PL, too, is here to serve the interests of the community.

Thanks to all who give of your time and energy and knowledge to help others - particularly those who do all that and do it without sinking into some of the petty squabbling that appears here from time to time.

OK - with that, I turn over all duties to Jeff S and catz, as I will be out-of-pocket for a while.

Y'all play nice!

- Dan