sorry old news about the jamie and sean slug fest

[PainfullyObvious]

I understand that Colombia has certain dangers, but this is a ridiculus argument about free-lance translators, a bad person is a bad person regardless of employment or not.  I have no doubt you know a translator that has set up clients to be robbed.   I realize it is safer to use a translator through an agency, but that does not justify your statement previously basically leading someone to believe that all other non-agency translators are dangerous.   I am equally sure a client or two of yours felt like they were getting robbed.  I

I understood your statement very clearly, but if it is possible to hire a female terrorist translator, then it is equally possible to meet a female terrorist at your agency.  Fair is fair.  I could not think of a better place for a FARC terrorist to find and kidnap an American man than an agency. 

Jamie, I have no doubts you run a good agency.  There are plenty of comments from clients I have seen that are very positive, I just don't agree with your analysis.    I am sorry everyone if I am keeping this thread going, it probably should have died after the second page. 

[Maria]

"Men are often beguiled by women" I have to admit it, I some what agree with the man. And you have no business dealing with a stranger. Here in Colombia or any where in the world.

But this here is fuzzy to me:
 
"Sounds like a perfect way to get set-up for a crime. " Meaning you think that from what you have heard? .I knew of one free lance translator that arranged for her clients to be robbed when they arrived in the city Oh so you knew of her? What is it you heard it or you know of it?

"because there is no way that they will be caught. They will simply feed information to a criminal who will rob you or do something worse."
Ok here is where I think you lost us all, because if they are so hard to get caught how do you know of her?

I have personally never heard of such a person..and if it was done repeatly, as you kinda suggest on here, is it posted on this board? Because I have never heard of this.
Dan can you show me at least one post that can back this up?
I really can't believe that from all of this translator's clients not one came in here and reported it.
I am sure as an agency owner that cares for the safety of your clients and future clients. This is something you most have posted as soon as you found out.  Right?

QST to help our newbies, What makes your house that it is in the middle of nowhere miles from the city, that you need a cab to get there and back, that a single mom takes care of, because you don't even have a guard dog, Safe?


FL

[Jamie]

I understand that Colombia has certain dangers, but this is a ridiculus argument about free-lance translators, a bad person is a bad person regardless of employment or not.

The points I made are all valid. If you would like to quote exactly which sentences you feel are ridiculous I will address them.

It is true a bad person is a bad person regardless of employment or not. But what actions a bad person takes does depend on what he thinks he can get away with. A free lance translator is not supervised they are not being watched by anyone so they have more opportunities to take advantage of others knowing that they are not under any scrutiny. Someone who is being supervised is less likely to take such a risk. This is all common sense. If you take a thief he may enter a familiar store with security cameras and not take anything understanding the higher risk in doing so, where the same guy in the mom and pops store that does not have adequate security and a lower risk of being caught pilfers.

I realize it is safer to use a translator through an agency, but that does not justify your statement previously basically leading someone to believe that all other non-agency translators are dangerous.

I never said “all other non-agency translators are dangerous” and I don’t believe this either. I said. “Only a foolish man would you use an unknown free-lance translator in Colombia.”

I am equally sure a client or two of yours felt like they were getting robbed.

I am not sure how anyone would feel that since we do what we say we are going to do. It is not a case of sometimes we do and sometimes we don’t.

I understood your statement very clearly,

If you understood what I said you would not have said: “Also, if so many women are terrorists, then statistically speaking only, it is possible that Jamie would have some percentage of women that are terrorist in his agency.”
Because I did not say anything close to “many women are terrorists”, nor could one logical infer what you wrote from anything I said. So you did not understand what I wrote otherwise you would not have written what you did.

but if it is possible to hire a female terrorist translator, then it is equally possible to meet a female terrorist at your agency.  Fair is fair.

I stated that from what I read 20-50% of the terrorist in Colombia are women and from this you derive that it is possible to hire a female terrorist translator and therefore it is equally possible to meet a female terrorist at my agency. Why don’t you continue, it’s possible that your airline stewardess is a terrorist and it’s possible that the woman checking you into your hotel room is a terrorist and it is possible the maid making your bed is a terrorist the possibilities of possible are endless. I never stated or hinted in any way that one may be hiring a female terrorist translator. The point of bringing up the fact regarding the percentage of terrorist that are women was for one not to feel safe just because they were dealing with a woman. You are not demonstrating an understanding of what I wrote.

I could not think of a better place for a FARC terrorist to find and kidnap an American man than an agency.

Well obviously they don’t think so because there has never been such an attempt. You are assuming the FARC has presence and strength in the cities where agencies are located when they have neither.

[Jamie]

"Sounds like a perfect way to get set-up for a crime. " Meaning you think that from what you have heard?

No, based on the probability and ease of doing so.

I knew of one free lance translator that arranged for her clients to be robbed when they arrived in the city Oh so you knew of her? What is it you heard it or you know of it?

Well if I heard it I would then know of it.

"because there is no way that they will be caught. They will simply feed information to a criminal who will rob you or do something worse."
Ok here is where I think you lost us all,

Speak for yourself, you're lost.

because if they are so hard to get caught how do you know of her?

One does not have to get caught in order to know this. You don’t think criminals talk about their crimes.

I have personally never heard of such a person..and if it was done repeatly, as you kinda suggest on here, is it posted on this board? Because I have never heard of this.
Dan can you show me at least one post that can back this up?
I really can't believe that from all of this translator's clients not one came in here and reported it.
I am sure as an agency owner that cares for the safety of your clients and future clients. This is something you most have posted as soon as you found out.  Right?

Sounds like you’re still lost. The fact that no one posted this on PL makes it unlikely to have ever happened? Any chance you are getting PL mixed up with the AP.

QST to help our newbies, What makes your house that it is in the middle of nowhere miles from the city, that you need a cab to get there and back, that a single mom takes care of, because you don't even have a guard dog, Safe?

Since I disposed of you, its safe from you.

[Maria]

  OH I AM SO HURT!!!   You insist on offending me.

I truly think you were not loved as a child.

"Well if I heard it I would then know of it." So you have no idea. To me "I heard it" is not fact.

"One does not have to get caught in order to know this. You don't think criminals talk about their crimes." So you know of no one you it is just an asumption you have, of something that could happen.

Again you don't answer a question with facts and hide behind your childish attacks against me to discredit me....Face it in "a third world country" like Colombia, putting a foreign man in the middle of nowhere and leaving his safety to women is not a smart thing to do.  Nothing beats the confort and safety of a hotel where many people getting paid to watch over you.

Hey lots of members of PL know me, use my service regularly and they often recommend me. Now do you think it is because their terrible experience with me

And in all the 5 years you have known me you have absolutely no record of anyone even being close to getting robbed near me or while in use of my service. YET now that I am out of your so called "company" I am a threat   

I think  YOU  are the predator in all this, Come on 9900?

The only reason some don't contradict you is because they don't want to burn their bridges with you but dude it is black and white...

FL

[Dan]

OH I AM SO HURT!!!   You insist on offending me.

I truly think you were not loved as a child.

"Well if I heard it I would then know of it." So you have no idea. To me "I heard it" is not fact.

"One does not have to get caught in order to know this. You don't think criminals talk about their crimes." So you know of no one you it is just an asumption you have, of something that could happen.

Again you don't answer a question with facts and hide behind your childish attacks against me to discredit me....Face it in "a third world country" like Colombia, putting a foreign man in the middle of nowhere and leaving his safety to women is not a smart thing to do.  Nothing beats the confort and safety of a hotel where many people getting paid to watch over you.

Hey lots of members of PL know me, use my service regularly and they often recommend me. Now do you think it is because their terrible experience with me

And in all the 5 years you have known me you have absolutely no record of anyone even being close to getting robbed near me or while in use of my service. YET now that I am out of your so called "company" I am a threat   

I think  YOU  are the predator in all this, Come on 9900?

The only reason some don't contradict you is because they don't want to burn their bridges with you but dude it is black and white...

FL

FL,

This is getting to be old news.

It is clear you and Jamie are at odds with one another. It seems clear you are both willing to 'pick at each other' over trivial comments - and yes, I realize you (and Jamie) can take exception to my use of the term "trivial" - but most reasonable people can, and do, see what is going on between you two.

So I think this is going to come down to this:

* If you and Jamie wish to engage one another, it needs to be done in the PL Court. In that way, we can prevent the spillover into other areas of the forum.
* If you or Jamie are unwilling (or unable) to take you 'issue' to the PL Court - then you should not engage one another in the forum.

There have been numerous instances of a couple of PL members demonstrating 'natural toxicity' with one another, and Patrick would implement a 'no contact or ban' rule. This accomplishes the same thing, and provides an outlet for resolution of whatever the dispute is between you.

Soooo . . . if you want to continue to engage Jamie (and Jamie - the same holds for you), then frame your dispute into an 'issue' that can be heard in the PL Court.

Otherwise - drop it. Both of you.

- Dan

[PainfullyObvious]

LOL, I can't imagine what it would be like to use Jamie's agency and have a problem or a concern and try to discuss it with him.  That has to be a wild experience.  Jamie, I truly wish you success with your business.  

[bcc_1_2]

LOL, I can't imagine what it would be like to use Jamie's agency and have a problem or a concern and try to discuss it with him.  

Agreed, you certainly get the impression that customer service is very different with most of these agencies than you expect being from the USA. I remember being a retail manager. You get insulted and you don't engage back. If the customer has an issue you take responsibility for it. Recently we've seen some customer service issues posted on here. One in which a former client referrer (Sean) looked into. If I've learned anything it is to limit my contact and reliance on the agency. They only way you are getting my money is when you produce. And for those of you that don't have a friend that speaks Spanish you hire a terp at a reasonable price for that country as well. People that say yea dump thousands of dollars on this agency or any agency. I just don't agree with that and never will.

That's really what it comes down to. It's not about any one particular agency anymore. How many girls in the agency (especially in the age range I got after... 20-25) are on the social networking sites or personal sites? Practically all of them! When you have a huge pool of single colombian girls to contact for free or at a very low month rate... old fashioned agencies just don't make sense anymore.

[Jamie]

Agreed, you certainly get the impression that customer service is very different with most of these agencies than you expect being from the USA.

I am not providing customer service to anyone on this thread I am posting my opinion as are you. But for some reason you and some others feel my personal opinions should be restricted to the role of a business entity conversing with a customer. Well that is not going to happen. Because you are not my customer and I am not going to treat you as such, nor am I going to treat you like a potential customer. If you want customer service you go through the channels as any customer would towards a business. This is a forum for exchanging information and opinions not me kissing you are anyone else’s ass. If you want your ass kissed there are other commercial entities on here more then willing to accommodate you, converse with them.

Now that you understand this forum is not customer exchange desk are you ever going to answer the questions on the thread you just mentioned where the hard evidence was provide showing you posting regarding the occurrence of insults was absolutely wrong. Is that ever going to happen? Or are you going to keep hiding from embarrassment?

[bcc_1_2]

But for some reason you and some others feel my personal opinions should be restricted to the role of a business entity conversing with a customer.

You are not Jamie the individual on this website because you have previous identified yourself as Jamie the guy who runs this marriage agency business. In fact you advertise it in your signature. Your personal opinions aren't personal because you are speaking as the business owner. The business owner of International Introductions suggests he has terrorists in his agency. You get my drift. Other than that all I can say is visit the various businesses in the United States. Their managers don't act like you.

[Jamie]

You are not Jamie the individual on this website because you have previous identified yourself as Jamie the guy who runs this marriage agency business. In fact you advertise it in your signature. Your personal opinions aren't personal because you are speaking as the business owner.

So when you are at a party and introduce yourself to a girl and give her your business card does this mean you are only talking to this girl as a representative of the business you work for and not as an individual, by your own logic yes. If we continue with this logic no one would have a valid personal opinion any place if their occupation was known. 

The business owner of International Introductions suggests he has terrorists in his agency.

I never said this which is why you won’t be able to quote me. This is just another example of your inability to read and understand.

You get my drift.

Yea, I got it you’re still drifting.

[Jamie]

LOL, I can't imagine what it would be like to use Jamie's agency and have a problem or a concern and try to discuss it with him.  That has to be a wild experience.

Yes it would be wild if I am saying this:
“You have estimates of anywhere from 20%-50% of the terrorist in Colombia are women.”

And you are reading something very different than what I said:
“if so many women are terrorists, then statistically speaking only, it is possible that Jamie would have some percentage of women that are terrorist in his agency.”

I asked you to specifically quote what sentences you disagreed with but you came up with nothing.

I said I would clarify more on any point you did not understand or thought ridiculous tell me what they are but you came up with nothing.

What else can one do beyond this?

I mentioned the word “terrorist” in one sentence but you applied the word outside of the realm of how I used it. This is the sentence I wrote:
“You have estimates of anywhere from 20%-50% of the terrorist in Colombia are women.”

Do you disagree with this sentence?

[bcc_1_2]

So when you are at a party and introduce yourself to a girl and give her your business card does this mean you are only talking to this girl as a representative of the business you work for and not as an individual, by your own logic yes.

Yes. If I am interested in a girl or am "hitting on her" I'd be more likely to exchange cell numbers. When you pass out a business card you should be acting in a completely professional manner just like you (well not you) but an American businessperson would act in his or her place of work.

I don't get [snip] faced and pass out a business card to girls.

Which leads me to ask, have you ever been to the United States?

[Jamie]

Yes. If I am interested in a girl or am "hitting on her" I'd be more likely to exchange cell numbers. When you pass out a business card you should be acting in a completely professional manner just like you (well not you) but an American businessperson would act in his or her place of work.

I don't get [snip] faced and pass out a business card to girls.

Which leads me to ask, have you ever been to the United States?

It was a hypothetical example, and your answer is by doing so they should be in the role of their job or business even if they chose not to be and all personal opinions are null and void.

Have you ever been to Iran?

[bcc_1_2]

Have you ever been to Iran?

Have you ever been to Iceland?

Ok, ok I'll actually answer your question instead of just replying with a question like you. No, I have never been to Iran. Nor would I lecture an Iranian on the customer service and business practices in Iran. I would not do that because I am not knowledgible on Iran. The same can be said for you and the United States. I know this because if you took a class on retail sales, small business management, or customer service at the college level (first you would actually have to come to the United States and see it for yourself) you might be sitting in one of my night classes.

You are always representing what you have in your signature with every post you make. Because you are Jamie the single male agency owner in BAQ. Which is why I don't respond to insults made by the business owner, because it is not me that looks silly. It is the business owner. You might be a non IMBRA compliant agency in Colombia, but many of your customers are Planet Love message board readers from the United States.

My only point is you have no clue about customer service standards in the United States. I've seen retailers lose a store (close because the competition is kicking their tail) in a competitive district over poor customer service alone.

[Jamie]

Have you ever been to Iceland?

I was being sarcastic your view on what role one should play and when one can or can not have a personal opinion would fit well in Iran. I suspect that with all that flies over your head you don’t sleep well.

My only point is you have no clue about customer service standards in the United States.

And you have no clue that this board is not a customer service desk and that I am not at your service.

[bcc_1_2]

And you have no clue that this board is not a customer service desk and that I am not at your service.

No it is (well was) an infomercial. Now, not so much. The insults only serve my purpose in outlining that you are the one that just doesn't get it.

You have no idea who I am or what I do (other than teach a couple of night classes). Which is why my conduct doesn't really matter. Like it or not you are held to a higher standard. A standard you have not been meeting as of late. Will it affect your business? On the short-term I have no idea. However, in the long-term it is pretty clear the agency industry is dying out. Will you evolve and grow past that? I have no idea. But with the girls of BAQ having personal and social networking sites available to them I see no reason for your continued existence long-term. Personally the more I learn about you the less I like. The one major plus side about your agency is the selection. However the selection is much deeper on the personal sites and social networking sites. Not only do they cost less but we don't have to deal with agency owners unfamiliar with customer service practices in the United States. That and technically how much advice about dating a colombian woman do you have to offer? I mean I know you haven't updated that part of your website, but you are either seperated or divorced now correct?

When you get done with the copy and paste and the insults please be sure to answer the question in bold. Because non-married agency owners have a bad reputation (bedalatinas.. maybe your new screen name?)

By the way findalatina (not to be confused with bedalatina) if you are reading this (oh common I know you are) I really suggest setting up a basic website to promote your services. If you haven't heard of this before try http://www.weebly.com. They have some pretty decent templates and it is free. The only thing you have to pay for is a domain name if you don't want to use theirs.

[Dan]

Jamie and bcc,

In case you guys haven't noticed, neither one of you is gaining any ground.

Jamie, it is unrealistic to expect that any member promoting a product here (a Commercial Member) will ever be seen as just another Regular Member. Profit motive will *always* raise suspicions - and in those very rare instances I have seen Commercial Members overcome that bias, it was the result of persistent positive contributions that obviously did not serve that member's commercial interests. It does not happen often.

bcc - you made a comment directed to FindaLatina encouraging her to setup a website. Can I presume from that comment that you, at least, perceive/understand FindaLatina to be promoting a Commercial service?

Finally - are the two of you going to be able to turn this in a positive direction, or shall I just lock the topic now?

- Dan

[bcc_1_2]

bcc - you made a comment directed to FindaLatina encouraging her to setup a website. Can I presume from that comment that you, at least, perceive/understand FindaLatina to be promoting a Commercial service?


- Dan

Sure can although I hope she doesn't lecture me on customer service standards of the USA. And to be fair I have complimented Jamie for what he does well. I just suggest that the agency scene is dying out because of social networking websites and personals sites. I suspect someone that runs an agency isn't going to like to read that interrupting their infomercial, but it is a valid point. I'm more than willing to agree to disagree. But if he wants to continue to insult everyone with a conflicting viewpoint it certainly doesn't do him or his business any good (but that is something he doesn't get).

[Jamie]

But if he wants to continue to insult everyone with a conflicting viewpoint it certainly doesn't do him or his business any good (but that is something he doesn't get).

I only return insults some of you guys just want a punching bag and when you get knocked down you go in a tizzy. Which is maybe why they can’t support and defend any of their arguments afterwards.
My methods of doing business has served me good for 6 years. Go back 3, 4, 5 years and you will see some guys saying the exact same thing you are now yet I continue to grow because you don’t get it. You’ve stated some views start a new thread and feel free to debate me on any issue of your choice.

[PainfullyObvious]

I still can't understand why Jamie is keeping this thread going.  Let it die man.  You have the most to lose by keeping it going.  If you stopped responding after the first comment or two, it would have died. 

I am really confused as to why you have this desire to combat everything that is said here.  Let's face facts, when anyone puts something into words, sentences, paragraphs, it is always subject to interpretation.  People get degrees in literature just to understand and interpret the meaning of the written word.  I have posted comments that have been taken differently than my meaning.   

I think your aggressive attack on everything will only hurt your business in the long run.  Ultimately, you are selling your knowledge and experience, but in my limited and humble opinion, this thread is only hurting you and your business. 

[Jamie]

I am really confused as to why you have this desire to combat everything that is said here.  Let's face facts, when anyone puts something into words, sentences, paragraphs, it is always subject to interpretation.  People get degrees in literature just to understand and interpret the meaning of the written word.  I have posted comments that have been taken differently than my meaning.

There is a difference between misinterpretations and misunderstandings. It is hardly combating when I defending myself or express a difference of opinion or demonstrate that I am being misquoted. Wasn’t the person who started this thread combative? And I should just keep quite right? If you address or reference me I am going to respond, it’s that simple. And if someone was misinterpreting something and the interpretation was clarified the proper thing would be to stand corrected, but you guys who attack me don’t do that. You almost never answer my questions and you don’t stay within the boundaries of facts and logic.
   

I think your aggressive attack on everything will only hurt your business in the long run.  Ultimately, you are selling your knowledge and experience, but in my limited and humble opinion, this thread is only hurting you and your business. 

Shouldn’t that only be a concern of mine? But it seems to almost always be a concern of those I have strong exchange with, how what I say affects my business. And this deep concern is almost always coming from guys who have never used my business or plan to use my business, yet these are the guys that have the greatest concern how my responses affect my business. Funny when you think about it.

What you call as my attack is a defensive reaction to attacks. I think I have been around long enough do know what route I want to take in life regarding what I say and what I do. I am not doing anything different now than I did before and as I have said it has served me well. I am not here to win a popularity contest or provide any customer service to anyone over the board. My opinion is equal to yours and it is not going to be censored because some of you feel I should be acting in a prescribed manner that keeps you on a pedestal. I treat everyone in the same respect that is returned.

[Researcher]

Jamie, it is unrealistic to expect that any member promoting a product here (a Commercial Member) will ever be seen as just another Regular Member. Profit motive will *always* raise suspicions - and in those very rare instances I have seen Commercial Members overcome that bias, it was the result of persistent positive contributions that obviously did not serve that member's commercial interests. It does not happen often.
Finally - are the two of you going to be able to turn this in a positive direction, or shall I just lock the topic now?

- Dan

                 I don't think Jamie will ever realize this.The suspicions are why he has "dogs nipping" at him or I think he calls them "hyenas", whatever. .

                I vote to lock this topic now.

[Jamie]

I don't think Jamie will ever realize this.The suspicions are why he has "dogs nipping" at him or I think he calls them "hyenas", whatever. .I vote to lock this topic now.

The answer to your suspicions are hyenas are part of the environment. People with opinions are never left untouched you will always have objectors. If you want the topic locked simply stop reading and posting you’ll get the same result.

[Alabamaboy!]

As of this moment, nobody has had more success or positive reports than Jamie's agency. If so which is it?

If you are looking for results, you need to be prepared to do what you have to do.

Just like if I am going to have a delicate heart surgery......or even a custom house built. I am going to go with the guys with the best results. I don't give a damn about their bedside manner or if they are strict with their employees to get the job done. I just want the best results in the most efficient manner possible. And everyone knows that if you are asking for results like that, you will probably pay a little more for the services.

Now, saying that, there is no reason why any of the posters here or any other business person could not try to compete with Jamie or other agencies. And if they provide the results, I think people would forget about Jamie and go with them. But for right now...there are not too many viable options out there. There are matchmaker people out there who deal with smaller volumes of girls and might offer better service in certain areas. But for someone who is looking for the most efficient use of their time and money, Jamie's deal is the best, for finding a good woman.

It is so simple. If Jamie was not providing a good service, or if the prices were too high, then he would not have any business right? Well I was just down there and there was plenty of business for him. So obviously he is doing a lot more right than he is doing wrong.

There is no way to compare hi5, facebook, or any of the social networking sites to Jamie's service. You would spend a lifetime with many dead-ends trying to manage 60 potential mates.  But with Jamie's service you can meet all of them in a couple days...make your picks....start the one on ones...and find at least a few viable candidates within a week or two. Unless of course, you are completely unrealistic or have the social skills of a rock.  And don't forget...those 60 girls are ones you had already picked out as being attractive or that you liked their profiles. Andddd they liked yours at least well enough to come to the meetings.

Right now, there is nobody else doing that kind of business model that I am aware of.

And you cannot really argue with the results.