sorry old news about the jamie and sean slug fest

[catz]

This is very fair-minded of you. It’s ok for others to attack me but when I defend myself I get the warning.

Nice try but no cigar. You were told to stop and you made the choice to take one more shot so now you have a visual warning. Your choice to continue.

[Researcher]

It is not my intention to suggest to stifle free speech here.

                Thanks for clarifying.

[JR33]

JR33:  Do you know of anyone else with the level of satisfaction of its customers more so than Jamie's??? If so, please let us know of that agency.  The few guys who said that they had bad experiences there are far outweighed by all the positive stories. And guys like myself have good experience using a variety of agencies, non-agency routes, etc.

So until you can provide some names and concrete results of some better services that are out there, Jamie is still the king of the agencies as far as I, and most guys are concerned.

And please do not bring up cost into the equation, because if you are going to balk at his price over a much lower quality service given at a lower price....it is not even worth arguing about. 

If you are serious with the search, then a couple hundred dollars on way or another should not make much difference.  And in fact, I think his operation actually saves money, time, and grief with some of the extras he provides that the others do not.

So please do not make yourself look stupid by making comments like you did about "guys talking good about him because they are in love with him". If you want to talk like a homo.....or have some latent homo fantasies about him, you do not need to project them on to us who are looking for wives and want the best possible service...and not just play around on a junior high school level like some of the other agencies.

The only thing that I think could even approach the level of service he gives is to have one on one service with a matchmaker.

       Go outside BQ, get more experience with other options and see if you maintain the same opinion.

        As far as details? I used Jamies in the past and I think it isn't worth what you pay for it. It's just that simple.

[JR33]

First, I have absolutely no stake in this ongoing argument or any personal knowledge of the agency in question. However, I find some of your comments a little strange.

You are correct when you state that these are people’s opinions and you are certainly entitled to your opinion, such as the statement that you don’t think his services are worth what he charges. That is your opinion based on your personal experiences.

However, your name-calling and silly personal attacks are just that, personal attacks, and go beyond any reasonable definition of an informed opinion.

Why would you call someone insecure because he responds to personal attacks or negative comments from other members? I don’t see that as insecurity but rather just the opposite. An insecure person might not respond at all for fear of losing the debate.

When someone responds in a methodical fashion, point by point, that is not a sign of insecurity. It is only one person’s debating style and I personally find nothing offensive in that.

Why don’t you go ahead and accept Jamie’s challenge to you to provide some details about why you were dissatisfied with his service and why you think it isn’t worth the cost? Or perhaps agree to take him on in the forum court?

Vague innuendo and personal attacks don’t validate your opinions but rather tend to diminish them.

Now that’s just my opinion…

Ray

 You do as much, if not more name calling as anyone on this board.

 I used Jamie's service and it wasn't worth it.Why does he need more details? Is he going to give me a refund?I don't think so. He only wants the opportunity to attack me personally so he can keep up his ad campaign which involves trying to discredit anyone that has had a negative experience with his business.

[Dan]

 You do as much, if not more name calling as anyone on this board.

 I used Jamie's service and it wasn't worth it.Why does he need more details? Is he going to give me a refund?I don't think so. He only wants the opportunity to attack me personally so he can keep up his ad campaign which involves trying to discredit anyone that has had a negative experience with his business.

And then we have the other perspective which looks like a pack of dogs nipping at the Jamie's heels.

It was exactly this reason we established the "Court" forum - so that people could air their grievances directly with one another and NOT pollute the entire board - repeatedly - with the same old tired garbage.

If you, or anyone else, wants to engage Jamie in the 'Court' - just make the request.

- Dan

[Alabamaboy!]

JR33,

I have been to Bucaramanga, Bogota, Cali twice, Cartagena twice, Santa Marta. I have used agencies, not used agencies, have tried all the internet things. And like I said Jamie's services are hands down the best and by far, the most efficient of them all. I have had excellent results with all, but it is not even close, that Jamie's is by far the best.

Maybe the costenas don't care for you. Maybe you are the problem and not Jamie's agency.

 

[Ray]

…he is so insecure he feels like he needs to respond to every little negative thing said.

Well JR, using your own logic, I guess that makes YOU insecure because you felt the need to respond to my post…   

[Jamie]

I used Jamie's service and it wasn't worth it.Why does he need more details? Is he going to give me a refund?I don't think so. He only wants the opportunity to attack me personally so he can keep up his ad campaign which involves trying to discredit anyone that has had a negative experience with his business.

Why the details? Are you serious? You do not think the details are important to the evaluation of something? You are anonymous and unknown and you want others to simply accept your conclusion? I do not know what service you use, but one can certainly use any of our services and personally feel it was not worth it to them. Not everyone is going to get the results they want and we don’t promise anyone that they will. We tell you what we are going to do and for some it works out fine and for some it doesn’t. Whatever service you use is the exact service we said you would receive. If that did not have value to you we would have worked with you on what could be changed if this was brought to our attention. But we can not guarantee any results because that is outside of our hands. If you are someone who actually visited us you would also know that we are concerned about your success and actively work towards it.

The real reason you choose not to say who you are is that would put us on a level playing field. I would now have all the information I need to know to determine what transpired. Instead you choose to hide this not out of any fear of personal attack, but because you would now be exposed to how your own actions effected your outcome. That I can bet on. If you have the facts on your side you would have no fear of being discredited.

[Jamie]

Sabound you did not respond to any of my question? What’s wrong? Is it because you realize you were wrong on all the points you made from this thread you started? You can start with this question, why are you suggesting that men come to a dangerous country and hire a stranger to take care of them? Because that is exactly what you suggested.

[sabound]

oh please .............. tell me where I said this ?

" suggesting that men come to a dangerous country and hire a stranger to take care of them? Because that is exactly what you suggested."

where oh where did i say that

[Richard77]

Why has Jamie been warned and not Sabound? Sabound is antagonizing.

[william3rd]

But Jamie doesnt know when to STFU. . . . .

[Dan]

But Jamie doesnt know when to STFU. . . . .

Bill,

Surrounded by a pack of yapping nipping hyenas, it is a little difficult to identify just the right spot to unilaterally withdraw.

I agree that, in many instances, the least damaging option is to conclude the hyenas are all bark and no bite and just ignore their incessant yapping - but it ain't easy.

Like I wrote up-thread - ANYONE who has a first-hand direct experience with Jamie and wants to take it up in the PL Court - just state the desire.

If no-one comes forward - Jamie's points will, essentially, be made for him.

In other words - for those who feel aggrieved - now is the time. Put up or shut up.

- Dan

[Jamie]

oh please .............. tell me where I said this ?

" suggesting that men come to a dangerous country and hire a stranger to take care of them? Because that is exactly what you suggested."

where oh where did i say that

This is where you said it:

I know for a fact that you can find any translation school and hire someone from there and translate for you .

and it translates to “suggesting that men come to a dangerous country and hire a stranger.”

And you still did not answer any of my questions responding to this thread you started.

[sabound]

why do you like to twist the words ??

 GOD bless you

[Jamie]

why do you like to twist the words ?? GOD bless you

The only thing twisted is your suggestion. I simply laid out what you said. You suggested that American men could “find any translation school” in a dangerous country and “hire someone” a stranger to “translate for you.”  Sounds like a perfect way to get set-up for a crime. I knew of one free lance translator that arranged for her clients to be robbed when they arrived in the city. But you are suggesting that American men take this route.

No free-lance translator gets regular work and if times are slow for the free-lance translator and they have to pay their bills and feed their children you don’t know what type of desperate act they may take because there is no way that they will be caught. They will simply feed information to a criminal who will rob you or do something worse. Men are often beguiled by women and think just because they are a woman they are going to be more innocent and less a threat, but this is not the case in Colombia. You have estimates of anywhere from 20%-50% of the terrorist in Colombia are women. Only a foolish man would you use an unknown free-lance translator in Colombia, yet this is what you are suggesting.

As for not answering any of my questions the reason is obvious, everything in you post was inaccurate as I noted.

God bless anyone who would take your advice.

[PainfullyObvious]

The only thing twisted is your suggestion. I simply laid out what you said. You suggested that American men could “find any translation school” in a dangerous country and “hire someone” a stranger to “translate for you.”  Sounds like a perfect way to get set-up for a crime. I knew of one free lance translator that arranged for her clients to be robbed when they arrived in the city. But you are suggesting that American men take this route.

No free-lance translator gets regular work and if times are slow for the free-lance translator and they have to pay their bills and feed their children you don’t know what type of desperate act they may take because there is no way that they will be caught. They will simply feed information to a criminal who will rob you or do something worse. Men are often beguiled by women and think just because they are a woman they are going to be more innocent and less a threat, but this is not the case in Colombia. You have estimates of anywhere from 20%-50% of the terrorist in Colombia are women. Only a foolish man would you use an unknown free-lance translator in Colombia, yet this is what you are suggesting.

As for not answering any of my questions the reason is obvious, everything in you post was inaccurate as I noted.

God bless anyone who would take your advice.

I have been reading through this and trying to understand what is going on here.  I can't comment about the agency because I have never used Jamie's agency, I have used a couple in Bogota and have made a many trips to Colombia.  I have seen many positive comments on his agency in the forums and archives and have thought I may use his agency in the future to try someplace other than Bogota.

I am having a difficult time trying to understand the meaning of the quote above.  If I am to believe what Jamie wrote above, why would anyone risk going to such a dangerous place.   How would a translator an agency hires be any less desperate to take care of their family?  In my opinion I think the quote is irresponsible and misleading based on my experience in Colombia.  Also, if so many women are terrorists, then statistically speaking only, it is possible that Jamie would have some percentage of women that are terrorist in his agency. 

I can't understand why an agency owner would even suggest these things.   

[Kiltboy1]

Painfullyobvious

Get ready for the "CUT AND PASTE FEST" answer to your question.

[sabound]

NO Way , you have women terrorist in Colombia !!!!!!  please tell me this isn't true ............. 20%-50% of them are terrorist .... wonder how many are in your agency ?

[Richard77]

Yes, Jamie's is a front for F.A.R.C.

I would not hire someone i didn't know in afganistan and I would not in columbia either.

[Jamie]

I am having a difficult time trying to understand the meaning of the quote above.  If I am to believe what Jamie wrote above, why would anyone risk going to such a dangerous place.

Most people don’t visit Colombia for that very reason. If you classified all the countries in the world and had a category for dangerous, Colombia would be in that category. Does anyone disagree with this? Now does this mean you can’t visit such countries without running into danger, of course not. But such countries require more precautions than your neighborhood. 

How would a translator an agency hires be any less desperate to take care of their family?

I indicated why in my post, free lance translator to not have regular work they are not receiving regular pay as an employee would. So when a free lance translator hits a dry spell who is to say what temptations may arise. The free lance translator is not being supervised by anyone an employee is. A free lance translator can set up every client, yet how would a new client know any of this? Now do you think an employed translator can do this without something being done about it immediately? As I said I know of one translator who made money setting up clients to be robbed and I would guess most of those victims had no idea they were set-up. There is significant difference between a free lance translator and employed translator. I would be more then happy to list more difference if you like.

In my opinion I think the quote is irresponsible and misleading based on my experience in Colombia.

There was nothing irresponsible or misleading in what I wrote if you still feel this way please clarify exactly what makes you think this.

Also, if so many women are terrorists, then statistically speaking only, it is possible that Jamie would have some percentage of women that are terrorist in his agency.

You did not read what I wrote correctly. I said, “You have estimates of anywhere from 20%-50% of the terrorist in Colombia are women.” I did not say 20 to 50% of the women in Colombia are terrorist. I said of the terrorist in Colombia 20-50% are women. For example, the FARC is a terrorist organization in Colombia and it is estimated that 20-50% of them are women.

I can't understand why an agency owner would even suggest these things.

Do you still feel this way and if so why?

[Jamie]

Get ready for the "CUT AND PASTE FEST" answer to your question.

Why don’t you explain why this bothers you? Should I just follow your lead and CUT AND RUN?

[Jamie]

NO Way , you have women terrorist in Colombia !!!!!!  please tell me this isn't true ............. 20%-50% of them are terrorist .... wonder how many are in your agency ?

You have a severe reading comprehension deficiency. Some occasionally miss-read, but you do nothing but miss-read. It’s like you are a child. Can you add to the list of questions you are not answering, how a sentence that reads 20-50% of the terrorist in Colombia are women and understand it to mean 20-50% of the Colombian women are terrorist. Do you skip every three or four words when you read? Did you fail high school?

I find it very amusing that you felt it was so important to start a thread on an older thread, yet you avoid every single question presented to you on the topic you started. Very sad that you can’t defend one point you made. You are not even man enough to acknowledge your mix-up and miss-statements. But hey, if you want to be known as the guy that suggests that American men come to a dangerous country and hire a stranger to take care of them so be it. I am sure based on your reading and writing prowess getting guys to listen to you will be no more difficult than the difficulty you have in understanding the written word. I hope that doesn’t depress you

[JR33]

And then we have the other perspective which looks like a pack of dogs nipping at the Jamie's heels.

It was exactly this reason we established the "Court" forum - so that people could air their grievances directly with one another and NOT pollute the entire board - repeatedly - with the same old tired garbage.

If you, or anyone else, wants to engage Jamie in the 'Court' - just make the request.

- Dan

   While I have to admit it would be nice to be able to post without Jamie's toadies chiming in I can't see any reason to go to PL Court.For me, there is nothing to debate.I used Jamie's service and it is not worth what you pay. Some people just need to accept that you can't please everyone. I don't know why jamie is so concerned because he should have enough customers. I hear there is one born every minute.
   Don't worry, I am aware of the PL court forum now and if I feel the need to use it I will but for now I will just express my opinion because that is good enough for me.I don't feel the need to justify it, thank you very much.

[JR33]

Most people don’t visit Colombia for that very reason. If you classified all the countries in the world and had a category for dangerous, Colombia would be in that category. Does anyone disagree with this? Now does this mean you can’t visit such countries without running into danger, of course not. But such countries require more precautions than your neighborhood. 
I indicated why in my post, free lance translator to not have regular work they are not receiving regular pay as an employee would. So when a free lance translator hits a dry spell who is to say what temptations may arise. The free lance translator is not being supervised by anyone an employee is. A free lance translator can set up every client, yet how would a new client know any of this? Now do you think an employed translator can do this without something being done about it immediately? As I said I know of one translator who made money setting up clients to be robbed and I would guess most of those victims had no idea they were set-up. There is significant difference between a free lance translator and employed translator. I would be more then happy to list more difference if you like.
There was nothing irresponsible or misleading in what I wrote if you still feel this way please clarify exactly what makes you think this.
You did not read what I wrote correctly. I said, “You have estimates of anywhere from 20%-50% of the terrorist in Colombia are women.” I did not say 20 to 50% of the women in Colombia are terrorist. I said of the terrorist in Colombia 20-50% are women. For example, the FARC is a terrorist organization in Colombia and it is estimated that 20-50% of them are women.
Do you still feel this way and if so why?

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