sorry old news about the jamie and sean slug fest

[sabound]

I really can't beleive that i just read this !!!!! wow  I am bored . But there was so many things that stood out at me .....

Do you guys now realize that you are pretty much in the mercy of the owners once you are there , so if they want to charge you what ever crazy amount for  anything they will ... $100.00 for translation for 8 hours, jamies take is about 75 more than likely . but it his business . 

But that is not what really struck out to me it is this ...  mister jamies makes this remark   "Translators who don’t work at International Introductions only represent the gentleman. They won’t care for your well being "   what a profound statement to make ..Thats like saying the translators who work for II only look out for the women , hell screw that gringo who just spent 1500 to use your agency   . how does he know this ? I know for a fact that you can find any translation school and hire someone from there and translate for you .  But he says " they won't care for your well being " what do you they might be bias ?   

[mudd]

Depend on the translator, just because you go pick somebody cheaper who doesn’t work for an agency, doesn’t mean their are going to be looking out for your best interests. I know translators from agencies and from language schools and from friends. Didn’t matter where they worked, who they knew, some didn’t care if you found a good girl or not, as long as they were getting their $$ out of you. Some were very good, and would really help you and were looking out for your best interests. But if the owner of an agency finds out, the translator is not doing a good job; he or she will be replaced. I have seen translators tell the guys date some things that were not in their best interests and the guy had no idea until after. I have also seen translator work clients for gifts, phones, clothes, cameras ECT.

if somebody is worrying about spending $ 100 for a translator for all day, then you should not be going south looking for a girl, its not a cheap endeavor. And if you do that math, it’s only about $ 12 an hour which isn’t that bad, depending on how much the translator is actually making.  not to take sides, but I know of one translator who worked for Jamie a few years ago who was working clients for gifts  and was stealing his clients on the side, so of course he has to be careful.

[bcc_1_2]

Just arrange a pay per meet with anyone you do business with. That's all there is to it. Look I'm here in town. I'm interested in meeting girl a, b, and c. Do you want to do business? because if not I'll probably run into these girls and all there hot friends at the mall anyways.

[Quixote9]

First,  there is a difference between someone who is just going to translate for you and someone who is going to look after you.  I speak conversational Spanish well enough, but I would definitely get Jamie's translator service if I ever went back.  My first translator did so much more than translate for me.  She gave me fashion advice, relationship advice, told me when she thought a girl was lying or wasting my time, arranged my dates and schedule, and had my back in a situation were I needed someone to lean on.  I felt really lost without her once I was on my own.  It seemed like I got taken advantage by my dates allot more once my translator wasn't around.  The girl I eventually asked to be my girlfriend, she kept on making excuses why she didn't show up or showed up  hours and hours late (and smelling of beer) because of  her "classes" and then immediately had to go home early to "study".  I thought maybe she was just a really dedicated student, and that maybe she was right when she kept insisting I misunderstood what time she agreed to meet me.  Turns out her family disapproved of her "ex"boyfriend and she would go to his hotel room after meeting briefly with me.  I figured this out early on my second trip to BAQ, because she was dumb enough to tell me the exact date when she broke up with him (not for me mind you, but because she found empty condom wrappers in his hotel trashcan when she never used condoms with him) and I realized that this date was like the day before my flight home and she had already been my "girlfriend" for a week.  My point is my translator would have seen right through this girls lies if she had been around, of this I am sure.

Secondly, I think it is unfair to claim he is overcharging for his translators.  The guy is a businessman after all, and he provides extremely high levels of quality service far above that of his competition, he should be compensated appropriately.  And it is not like he is all about the money. I could give 3 or 4 examples of times where he provided me with services I did not actually pay for, simply because he was concerned about my safety and wellbeing.  Not to sound like I am schilling for the guy, but I really don't like hearing people bash him over his prices.  

[Researcher]

    Translators, drivers, maids, etc.... do you really think they have your best interest at heart.I have seen more shady ones than good ones over the years and am glad I never needed to use them.I've seen enough guys get taken advantage of by them. It just didn't seem to make that much sense to me.After all, are you going to take the translator on the honeymoon with you?Are they going to get a visa and travel with your wife or fiancee? If the marriage fails is anyone going to foot the bill of the divorce for you? C'mon guys. Learn the language and you won't need to use the "gringo day care" services.

 Researcher

[utopiacowboy]

If a guy really needs this much hand-holding, I am not sure that Colombia is right for him.

[SocialDreg]

Translators are going to be looking out for themselves and their pocketbooks....they want to keep you as a customer.  They want you to continue to use them.  They will do things to ingratiate themselves to you.

100 USD a day is insane.   That is more than half of a monthly minimum salary.

I agree with others that posted if you need hand holding you are going to have problems

[JR33]

              Just about anybody will be your "best friend" if you pay them enough.

[Jamie]

Do you guys now realize that you are pretty much in the mercy of the owners once you are there ,  so if they want to charge you what ever crazy amount for  anything they will ...

There is no accuracy to this statement. The guys are the one making a decision based on the listed service and prices and such services are paid in advance.

$100.00 for translation for 8 hours, jamies take is about 75 more than likely . but it his business.

Well you inflated the price charged and deflated the amount of hours the translators work, but you did get one thing right it is my business.
 

mister jamies makes this remark   "Translators who don’t work at International Introductions only represent the gentleman. They won’t care for your well being "   what a profound statement to make ..

What you consider as a “profound statement” is actually a very basic and intuitive statement. If a man is paying a translator to translate for him the translator is not going to have any concerns toward an unfamiliar woman the man is meeting.

Thats like saying the translators who work for II only look out for the women , hell screw that gringo who just spent 1500 to use your agency . how does he know this ?

The question should be how do you think like this? What I said is nothing like saying the translator is only looking out for the women. Our translators are required to look out for both parties we do not want either party to be taken advantage of. Does that seem fair to you?

I know for a fact that you can find any translation school and hire someone from there and translate for you .  But he says " they won't care for your well being " what do you they might be bias ?

Well you tell me do you think a translator a man is paying for is going to be trying to look out for an unfamiliar woman’s best interest? You are stating I am biased for saying no. Is this really what you are trying to say? As for selecting any “translation school” and hiring someone, our translators are required to do more than just translate. Suggesting that men come to a dangerous country and hire a stranger to take care of them is not the advice my potential clients would listen to.

[eddomo1970]

I am going to offer my 2 cents.
If you are not going to learn any spanish before going then use an agency. For security reasons and translation reasons. There does not seem to be many good ones out there.

I have been to Barranquilla once and recently. I never used any agency because i know enough spanish to get by and took a class to brush up on my language skills i had not used in 20 years. Things went real well with my girl.

I am not the typpe of person to use an agency, but from what i read on here it is the majority out there.

My point is, if you are to impatient to learn spanish before going, then maybe you are getting what you pay for.

[Alabamaboy!]

No matter if you know Spanish, do not know Spanish, have some hi5/facebook/whatever contacts, whether you have game, had game, think you might have some game in the future....there is simply no more efficient use of your time or money than Jamie's service to meet a ton of girls in a short period of time.  After the group dates, you pick who you want to see, depending of course if the girls are willing. And almost everyone of these girls is looking for a serious relationship or they would not be in the agency.

If you have 100% Spanish, you can see maybe 4-5 girls a day, and keep asking the same questions over and over again. But with Jamie's deal, you have 15 or so at a time and you eliminate like 12 from each group. So in a couple days time, you have eliminated like 48 and have like 12 really good ones. And from that point, you go on the one on one dates, and take it from there. Extremely efficient. And his staff will help with getting the "inside scoop on everything".

No way you can do that on your own.

If you have unlimited time on your hands...going down 3 months at a time, of course it would be of much need to pay that much cash to Jamie, when you can pick through girls one at a time at your leisure that you meet at the mall.  But very few of us have time like that.

And....all you need to do is search on this forum...and you will find overwhelming positive results from people who used his service. Especially compared to other agencies.

Whether you like his personality or not, you cannot argue with results. I doubt there is another agency with results like his.  Even Sean...who had the great debate with Jamie found his beautiful wife at his agency. And I doubt he could have done that well for himself otherwise on his own. (Just my gut feeling).

So, since just returning from Jamies again for the second time, I can say without a doubt it is worth the cash. And if you do not believe me....check out Minotor's trip report who was there the same time as me and hit a homerun on the first trip to the plate.

[soltero]

Even Sean...who had the great debate with Jamie found his beautiful wife at his agency. And I doubt he could have done that well for himself otherwise on his own. (Just my gut feeling).

Since Sean doesn't seem to post here any more, and to keep it real, he did not meet his wife directly through Jamie's agency. He became good friends with his translator and he met his wife through her. I am sure that Jamie would clear that up once he gets off of whatever the warning does.

I read pretty much all of the posts on the Latin board and a few on the Asian board and (knock on wood) I seem to stil have pretty good memory. Now, as far as the rules of engagement followed here, I believe that third party or even second party references or statement made about an agency are considered moot. Regardless of what is thought of Jamie personally, the only detractor that had any involvement with his agency, except for one other, and of course, Sean himself, have never used nor been a part of his agency. This really doesn't matter, because from the outside looking in, Jamies "cut and paste" makes their arguments look like agendas at best. Really. If not that, then I don't get it. If you haven't used the agency in question, then what do you have to offer besides an opinion, and an opinion based on what if you haven't used the agency?

Now, one common theme among the those that seem to want to keep this going is that they wouldn't choose to use any agency anyway. If that is the case, then what is your argument other than that? If you don't like the guy's personality, then there is that, but that really doesn't hold water next to someone who gives a valid recomendation after having actually used the services. If I was going to listen to anyone, it would be Findalatina, but first, the bad blood between the two of them would need to drop back down to something more civil. The Jerry Springer destination that conversation seems to be heading toward does not fit the opinion I currently have of either of them and I hope it can be avoided.

Some people like to use agencies and others don't. No one way works for everyone. Either you choose to dislike Jamie for bad service or just have a general dislike for agencies (and agency owners). It is getting really obvious where most of the posters fall in these back and forth "debates".

[catz]

I am sure that Jamie would clear that up once he gets off of whatever the warning does.

Just as an FYI: A warning does not stop anyone from posting. It is simply a reminder that they have stepped over the line after being told not to.

FWIW

[Maria]

but first, the bad blood between the two of them would need to drop back down to something more civil.

For the redocord, I am against any kind of personal attack and persecution or name calling. I had expressed, on different thread, not wanting to slaughter a person hoping that I would be kept the same way for me. Understand that it is hard to tolerate false accusations. And see your personal life be brought to public with the intention of gaining self credibility.

I would like to apologize to all of you on this board for getting real, vindictive with the man. Just because people come on here to learn, and gain information not to witness a show. And because he is not worth it.

Anyone on this board, without preference. is welcome to ask me, consult or gain any valuable information from me, weather at the end you use my service or not.

I agree If you Speak Spanish and rather not use an agency fine, there are pleny of sites to meet thousands of women without a facilitator. If you dont speak Spanish and need someone to help you and would rather use a service then the agency parade is your way to go.

Honestly the only person you need to really like and trust 100% is your girl.


FL

[JR33]

       Whether someone has used Latin-Wife, International Introductions, or Jamie's (whatever you want to call it) or not used this agency doesn't matter when it comes to opinions. The reality of it is these are ALL opinions. Yes, I used his services and I say they are not worth what you pay. Everyone has valid input here, especially the guys with alot of experience, whether they used Jamie's or not. There are other issues also, such as IMBRA, that many people tend to ignore. It does seem that these threads drag on that involve Mr.Cut and Paste because he is so insecure he feels like he needs to respond to every little negative thing said.Face it, he is not going to satisfy all his customers. And as far as his "fans" are concerned I don't know what the big deal is, his service isn't that great. I guess its a good thing he has an agency so he can find women for all the guys that are in love with him.

[bcc_1_2]

       I guess its a good thing he has an agency so he can find women for all the guys that are in love with him.

And to keep his bed warm as well now.

[Researcher]

                  It seems like some here think that Jamie(including Jamie) is above criticism and deserves a free pass. I have never used latin-wife but I was at this long enough to know agencies. He is not above criticism and anyone, whether they used his agency or not, is entitled to their opinion.

[Jamie]

Since Sean doesn't seem to post here any more, and to keep it real, he did not meet his wife directly through Jamie's agency. He became good friends with his translator and he met his wife through her. I am sure that Jamie would clear that up once he gets off of whatever the warning does.

When Sean unexpectedly broke up with his girl friend on short notice we provided more introductions and his assigned translator introduced him to someone she knew. The translator was not the translator he was friends with. It is not unusual for us to introduce girls who are not in the agency, for example friends of translators, friends of girls that are in the agency, women we do not know in clubs, malls or the street that the man wants us to approach, or the translator themselves may date the man. One of the objectives is to provide the numbers in whatever way that we can to increase the odds of success.

Yes, I used his services and I say they are not worth what you pay. Everyone has valid input here, especially the guys with alot of experience, whether they used Jamie's or not.

But I can’t get you to provide and accounting of your experience. Why don’t you provide the details of the services you used and what was not worth it for you? Tell us your story.
 

It does seem that these threads drag on that involve Mr.Cut and Paste because he is so insecure he feels like he needs to respond to every little negative thing said.

The way you want it to work is if I don’t respond I am attacked for not responding and when I do respond I am attacked for responding.
The cut and paste some of you guys abhor is the cutting and pasting of your own words. You simple don’t like seeing what you wrote. I understand because I would be embarrassed by what you wrote also. It distresses you to see an organized, calm, and reasonable responses to the haphazard accusations that you can’t support beyond the gaggling of a small chorus. It upsets you and some of the others when I demonstrate that you are inconsistent, that you don’t answer any questions to clarify your position and that you have no evidence to support what you say. I can only image you and the others feel foolish from all this which is why you react like children with your inane jokes and avoidance of the topic at hand that you are not able to cleanly debate and discuss.

[Jamie]

It seems like some here think that Jamie(including Jamie) is above criticism and deserves a free pass. I have never used latin-wife but I was at this long enough to know agencies. He is not above criticism and anyone, whether they used his agency or not, is entitled to their opinion.

No one including myself is saying I am above criticism. No one is more critical of my services than me and no one is stifling anyone’s opinion.

[soltero]

                  It seems like some here think that Jamie(including Jamie) is above criticism and deserves a free pass. I have never used latin-wife but I was at this long enough to know agencies. He is not above criticism and anyone, whether they used his agency or not, is entitled to their opinion.

It is not my intention to suggest to stifle free speech here. I have been following this since Sean first brough it up, and it seems the only ones still interested enough to post have absolutely nothing to do with the agency. As far as Jamie, nothing said here seems to have altered anything as far as whether or not those that need to are going to ue his agency. Once something gets past the point of absurd, I find it interesting that the absurd needs to be pointed out, but then, I guess when people are involved, they don't realize how they appear to the non-invested observer. I felt the need to point out that point of view and opinion since everybody has one...

[Pivery]

  I have been a member of Planet Love for almost 2 years and have used the invaluable advice since then. I understand that this is a forum to question, advise and sometimes vent. But I feel every couple of weeks or so Jamie's name gets brought up. If someone said something negative about me or my business, I probrably would respond as well. Especially if it's a personal attack.

Now, for the people who have used his service and think it was great, they get piled on and pidgeon-holed as imbeciles or simply retarded. If Jamie responds to criticism, then he is seen as adding fuel to the fire.

I guess I just don't get this whole thing...

Pivery

[Jamie]

Just as an FYI: A warning does not stop anyone from posting. It is simply a reminder that they have stepped over the line after being told not to.FWIW

This is very fair-minded of you. It’s ok for others to attack me but when I defend myself I get the warning.

Where do comments like this stand, “And to keep his bed warm as well now.” not personal enough to be a warning?

[bcc_1_2]

Where do comments like this stand, “And to keep his bed warm as well now.” not personal enough to be a warning?

Don't remember getting a written or verbal warning from anyone and then ignoring it. And you being a single or seperated agency owner is big news. Why is that not on your website?

[Ray]

       Whether someone has used Latin-Wife, International Introductions, or Jamie's (whatever you want to call it) or not used this agency doesn't matter when it comes to opinions. The reality of it is these are ALL opinions. Yes, I used his services and I say they are not worth what you pay. Everyone has valid input here, especially the guys with alot of experience, whether they used Jamie's or not. There are other issues also, such as IMBRA, that many people tend to ignore. It does seem that these threads drag on that involve Mr.Cut and Paste because he is so insecure he feels like he needs to respond to every little negative thing said.Face it, he is not going to satisfy all his customers. And as far as his "fans" are concerned I don't know what the big deal is, his service isn't that great. I guess its a good thing he has an agency so he can find women for all the guys that are in love with him.

First, I have absolutely no stake in this ongoing argument or any personal knowledge of the agency in question. However, I find some of your comments a little strange.

You are correct when you state that these are people’s opinions and you are certainly entitled to your opinion, such as the statement that you don’t think his services are worth what he charges. That is your opinion based on your personal experiences.

However, your name-calling and silly personal attacks are just that, personal attacks, and go beyond any reasonable definition of an informed opinion.

Why would you call someone insecure because he responds to personal attacks or negative comments from other members? I don’t see that as insecurity but rather just the opposite. An insecure person might not respond at all for fear of losing the debate.

When someone responds in a methodical fashion, point by point, that is not a sign of insecurity. It is only one person’s debating style and I personally find nothing offensive in that.

Why don’t you go ahead and accept Jamie’s challenge to you to provide some details about why you were dissatisfied with his service and why you think it isn’t worth the cost? Or perhaps agree to take him on in the forum court?

Vague innuendo and personal attacks don’t validate your opinions but rather tend to diminish them.

Now that’s just my opinion…

Ray

[Alabamaboy!]

JR33:  Do you know of anyone else with the level of satisfaction of its customers more so than Jamie's??? If so, please let us know of that agency.  The few guys who said that they had bad experiences there are far outweighed by all the positive stories. And guys like myself have good experience using a variety of agencies, non-agency routes, etc.

So until you can provide some names and concrete results of some better services that are out there, Jamie is still the king of the agencies as far as I, and most guys are concerned.

And please do not bring up cost into the equation, because if you are going to balk at his price over a much lower quality service given at a lower price....it is not even worth arguing about. 

If you are serious with the search, then a couple hundred dollars on way or another should not make much difference.  And in fact, I think his operation actually saves money, time, and grief with some of the extras he provides that the others do not.

So please do not make yourself look stupid by making comments like you did about "guys talking good about him because they are in love with him". If you want to talk like a homo.....or have some latent homo fantasies about him, you do not need to project them on to us who are looking for wives and want the best possible service...and not just play around on a junior high school level like some of the other agencies.

The only thing that I think could even approach the level of service he gives is to have one on one service with a matchmaker.