The Journey Thus Far: Need direct response from Soltero, Ray, Piv, more

[Caballero2009]

Ok So I have begin the journey of trying to find my latin princess.. my special lady. Not used to using the internet for this kind of thing... it feels like Part 1 to Lord of the Rings. I do feel like the next part of my journey is about to begin... as i plan to go to colombia in september or october but...

After hours and hours of research.....

A delima has come up. I have always been a bit picky and i feel when you are looking for that SPECIAL someone especially i should be a bit picky. I mean this is the woman i have to wake up to everyday forever.

Now.. that said i feel guilty looking thru the sites and pictures.... should i? I dont think so .. but i kinda find myself feeling some hint of guilt. I dont feel i should lower my standards...i know what i want : a cute/pretty latina who has half a brain. Does she have to be a rocket scientist...no.... but definately not clueless.

Anyway the main thing im having issues with is: I want to find a pretty latina that meets what I feel is pretty/cute etc. She surely doesnt have to be MODEL level. But I dont want to lower my standards....

From you guys who have been to colombia.. WILL i have to ? Should I? From your experience there?

I do find myself skipping LOTS of the profiles because I just am not attracted to the pic of the girl at all. Although i have found a handful.. in my mind they were "acceptable".... i felt wierd about that... but in reality I know what my baseline desire is very middle of the road look so i dont know what that says.

I am not looking for "acceptable" I want my wife to be pretty!!! cute!!! I did not find 1 woman on Jamies site i felt was a KNOCK OUT. Now there were some "acceptable" ones. but as far as pretty/cute am I out of luck then? If his site is a representation of barranquilla.... i dont know what to say -  to think - to feel now.

BASED ON MY IDEA OF A LATINA AND STANDARDS ... I mean i think "ok this cant be really a good represenation of the girls in BAQ because i have heard the HEAD SWIVELING thing so many times" in posts i have read.


I know there are pretty girls in colombia...100% sure. But the sites SO FAR... havent done it for me.

Maybe ill be pleasantly surpirsed when i go down... but i have read some RECENT trip reports that arent too encouraging.

But what do you guys think on this topic im sure i am not the only guy to have this dilema.

[bcc_1_2]

if you can't find women you are really attracted to on Jamie's site you need to abandon your trip plans and go somewhere else. Nothing more to say you may just not be attracted to latin women... there several 9s on Jamies website.

[Caballero2009]

Looking for less simplistic response. This is serious.

[william3rd]

Then go look in other cities such as bogota, other countries such as Peru, other continents such as Asia. Dont sit and moan, move on. You are over researching this project. Select a country, learn and seek. . . .

[bcc_1_2]

Looking for less simplistic response. This is serious.

I just got back home from my trip. And am i being completely serious. My advice is get realistic. Maybe you'd pefer eastern european women? If you can't find women on that entire site... I don't know what you expect from people?

[Pivery]

  Caballero,

Im sure the heavyweights will weigh in soon, but since I saw my name as one of the opinions you were seeking out, before I was about to turn in for the night let me blurt out what my game plan was:

Ok, so when I started this whole crazy thing, I wanted to find at least 45-50 women on Jamie's site. Now he told me I will probrably end up with half and so I kept a word document of the ladies I was interested in. Yes I felt kinda weird looking through all of those pages looking them over. At one point, I probrably knew their bodies as well as they did, but I digress...

So I kept a list, and every 2 days or so I would check back and see who has been added since I was on last. Man they are all pretty nice looking, not too many mutts there, so my list sure filled up fast!
I am 40, and although people will give you some bizarre formula for age compatability, I wanted a lady that was younger than myself and wanted to have children. A lady young enough age-wise to have children safely but not a 19 year-old bubble-gum chewer either...

Anyway, it's hard no to pick the smoking hot ones, and I had a few of them on my list, but also I knew I wanted more of a homebody/mommy that seemed like she would want to settle down and not have me home changing diapers while she was out running the streets with her girlfriends at some dive bar. So then the ones that said, "I love to party and dance every night..." and, "I don't have a job but I like to be at the mall all day..." were scratch offs.

It's sort of funny for me. When I showed up down there, half of the women said I looked so much better-looking than my picture I sent for my profile. But they look a whole lot better as well. It was definitely cool when some of the ladies I picked from my list and sent to Jamie showed up to see me, but even better was that he gave me this list (yeah, a list) of women that I DID NOT pick but saw my profile and wanted to come and check me out. Wow, what a dream for a guy...Here in the states, you would have to practically have them hit you with their car if you were walking down the street just to get a lady around here to even realize that you are on the same planet. But there was a list of ladies I didn't even look over that were wanting time with me. Nice...

I think I strayed a little again. Ok, keep in mind that especially the really super-duper ones are getting looked over as well by other dudes. So don't think that you're going to a desert island and you're the only guy that gets off the plane...Find one that you think you can live with the rest of your life. The looks are a factor definitely, but like most everyone says here on the board, arm candy is a man's dream, but not reality. Find someone who looks ok but will be around when you BOTH get old and lose your looks. So alot of the hot ones fell by the wayside for me, especially when they opened their mothes and nothing came out. All looks+no brains=?

So I found a lady that I think is very attractive, loves me to death and I know won't get taken away by some joker that waves a new BMW and a 5-carat ring in her face. Her faithfullness to you and the sparks that fly between you two will only happen once you two are alone. She may end up being totally different from what she said on her profile, so don't take those words as etched in stone. I will end my rant by saying the beautiful woman I ended up with was not even on my list of favorites. She just happened to be there to check me over and something about her caught my attention. So the whole thing with me having a list and memorized their profiles, birthdays, etc. went out the window!

Anyways, I think you may be over-thinking this whole thing. I know I did. I had charts and questions I wanted to ask, and all this other B.S. I never ended up using. Have your Spanish passable, 3 or 4 nice change of clothes, nice haircut pick 40 or 50 that you think are OK and do it. You may come back with one, you may not. Be a careful listener and the things that she says (or doesn't say) will say more to you than her short profile answers.

Good Luck!

Pivery     

[Researcher]

             And I was just going to say forget the website and profiles.Go to Colombia and find a group of women walking down the street, take a rock and "hurl it" in amongst them. The first single hottie you hit, drop to one knee and propose!

             But seriously, you can't tell everything from the website and profiles.I think you are putting too much pressure on yourself at this point. Sure, you want to get the most out of your trip but keep in mind that you may not find "the one"at this time.If Jamie's is the agency you choose, I'm sure you will get some help from him.When I was at the same place you were I had one goal:meeting women and lots of them. And yes, be picky.There is nothing wrong with it.

          BTW great post Pivery!


         Researcher

[soltero]

I get it...at this stage, you are still pretty much just wishing and dreaming and want to be wowed...Jamie does have some beautiful women, but they are photographed rather plainly, which might not give you the jolt you are looking for. You are probably wanting a strong enough jolt to have you clamoring for that plane like OJ running through the airport in those old commercials. 

These women are models that have been professionally shot, but they aren't really any prettier than the girls at Jamie's. You will see when you get there. There are too many gorgeous women crawling all over Colombia for you not to be flabbergasted no matter where you touch down, but for some decent eye candy while you are sitting in front of your computer and just hoping, here you go:


http://www.bucaros.com/modelos/mujeres-bellas.php


http://www.caliescali.com/html/sitio/index.php?view=vistas/las_modelos_anteriores.php&page=0


http://www.castingcolombia.com/models/profile.php


Now, for an agency that is more fashion friendly, here ya go....just remember, just because the photographer's style is different doesn't mean the women are actually any better. It is just different presentation as they are ALL beautiful...


http://www.allcolombiangirls.com/


http://www.latinsocialnetwork.com/listgirls.asp?country=Colombia


http://www.personalmeetings.com/photo1.html


ENJOY!

[Kiltboy1]

Go check out other cities. The women look different then Barranquilla. I was very picky and dissected a women to no ends from the way her nose curved to her toenails. Superficial, no, just like you, I have to wake up to this person everyday. But in the end, the way you interact with that person is way more fullfilling then the pure physical. I have been to some 20 cities in Colombia in my travels and marvel at the different looks of the women in each and every city. You have to just go and enjoy the sites.

KB

[Ray]

My advice: Pick an ugly one...

[bcc_1_2]

Jamie does has some beautiful women, but they are photographed rather plainly, which might not give you the jolt you are looking for.

This is something I actually really appreciate. If every girl went to glamour shots you'd be real pissed when you showed up. Damn that girl is ugly..... and when she takes off her spandex fat as your ex wife too. lol

[soltero]

This is something I actually really appreciate. If every girl went to glamour shots you'd be real pissed when you showed up. Damn that girl is ugly..... and when she takes off her spandex fat as your ex wife too. lol

I do too, but I doubt he is there yet. After you have been, and have seen how beautiful the women are for yourself, you don't need any add-ons anymore to get you motivated to get up off of your backside and go. While still on the fence, and not having made that first trip yet, I can understand how wanting to wiggle that toe in the water can be a daunting task. Buck up lil' camper! Soon you will have your own memories that will beckon you back for those following trips!

[drm64]

Cabo,

I understand the"guilt" for objectifying the girls. It's easy to feel that way when their pics are all lined up there and you are choosing beteen them like you choose your favorite cut of meet. We do the same thing here though, it's just not as blatant. Girls do it to.  As far as being "wowed", I agree with the other guys. Just go. You'll find eye poppers everywhere you go. When I first started going, I would check out Jamie's site. There was a lot of hotties back then. It doesn't seem so to me so much now, but then, look at my wife. I'm pretty partial to her. Many of the girls do look better in real life and the girls said the same thing about me. Keep an open mind too. My wife chose me. I wasn't having much luck with my choices wanting to meet me so Jamie sent me a list of women who were interested. My wife was one of them and it was instant chemistry. I always thought if I had it to do again, I might like to try a tour. Having a room full of a couple hundred latinas, your odds have got to be good at finding  several that wow you and that would also be interested in you.

[Caballero2009]

Yet again good responses thank you. My questions always get answered well here it seems and my nerves get a bit calmer to hear others experience.

Yea i know... and the truth is i am going to colombia its 100% sure I ran like OJ to buy my tickets! JK but i will buy them in a few months once i have an idea hammered out of my plan down there. By fall ill have 2weeks or more vacay and the time to go. What i was hoping is to have some ladies already waiting for me to "go out with or meet".

I did order a few addresses from jamies site but only 1 responded after a long while (but i understand this due to money and harsher internet access). But she was very brief.... i wrote  a nice email in spanish (im middle low to mid level spanish but i dont claim fluency ). But the response was very brief and dint say much.

I registered for some latin cupid and didnt get much of a response even tho i sent like 20-30 women emails off that site.

So far i feel kinda like i have struck out with email... but i will give myself thru end of summer before making more final decisions. im sure by then  i will have more questions at times and such.

Im kinda writing my own little book or adventure as i go here.... im sure others have as well.. maybe im writing book 200 in the series heheh

Ill post my dream:  my DREAM is to go down there. Meet some cute girl who is in to me as much as I am in to her. Go out see the city. Talk. Get to know each other. Intimacy is open whatever happens happens in that respect i wont have expectations on that. But definately want to go latin dancing and such. Then hopefully after 2 weeks a good foundation will be set and well become closer over time etc etc until the dream culminates with her being my wife.

I am not 100% ignorant of colombia i had a colombian friend in college years ago who was here learning english on a 1 year program but that was long enuff ago that I didnt realize what i had at the time since i was being "The busy american student". I probably should have went to more of his parties he invited me to... and went to the famous "Latin Party" held monthly.. its sad... back then when i was invited to go to it I said "oh boy some place people go just to gyrrate wildly etc"... but now i regret i didnt go more back then.

I plan to make up for it hopefully since I appreciate latin women qualities since being around "modern american women" too much which means alot of different (and my opinion not so good) things these days.

So I guess i need to further my research by expanding to sites with intent to go down to colombia.

My biggest decision will be "DO I USE AN AGENCY LIKE JAMIES OR JUST GO DOWN AND RANDOMLY MEET WOMEN"

I think both have positive and negative sides.

Could some of you list some positives and negatives of each of those two choices based on either informed info or real experience down there?

Thanks!!!

[Researcher]

             Caballero,

                 From my experience I can say that the women in Colombia are aproachable.I knew a guy who carried a pen and pad with him just to write down phone numbers of women he met in the street.So, going down there and just randomly meeting women is possible.The negative side of that for you is that this is your first time there so it may take a little time to find out the best places to go to meet women.With an agency they already should have the women lined up for you to meet and they should be able to guide you on places to take these women on dates.I don't know how good your spanish is but the agency can provide a translator for you. These are just a couple of things I can think of right off.I'm not going to mention any negatives about any agency in particular, it seems to be a touchy subject these days.I'm sure some other guys on the board will post more.


              Good Luck,
              Researcher

[drm64]

As far as meeting random women, I 've always thought the english schools would be a great place. My wife attended the Colombo in BQ. I went to class with her once and it seemed everyone was anxious to get to use their english with a real live american. Plus the fact that they are learning english is a big plus - helps with the communication and shows some motivation on their part.

[Looking4Wife]

My biggest decision will be "DO I USE AN AGENCY LIKE JAMIES OR JUST GO DOWN AND RANDOMLY MEET WOMEN"

I think both have positive and negative sides.

Could some of you list some positives and negatives of each of those two choices based on either informed info or real experience down there?

Thanks!!!

Pros For Using an Agency and/or Local Introduction Services

* They can welcome you at the airport when you arrive.  It's GREAT to have a native greet you at the airport the first time you set foot in a foreign land.  If you're only being greeted by a girl you met online, if she sees you in person and immediately wants to run... that could be awkward to say the least.

* They can help you with everything from obtaining lodging, food, transportation, banking, personal safety, getting internet access, getting a cell phone, etc.

* They know the language, and can help you communicate ACCURATELY.  They understand the NUANCES of what is being said.

* They know the culture and can help frame your expectations properly in various situations.

* They know the city and can help you get around without you having to "figure out" where you are, or where you're going.

* They are a 3rd party who can help you know when to move onto another girl, when a girl is playing you, when a girl may or may not be a good match, or clear up misunderstandings between you and your girl based on language, culture, etc.

* They can help you PRE-SELECT women prior to your arrival, making a more efficient use of your time.  Many women who may be good candidates for you will never appear on a website.  Maybe they don't want their co-workers, or friends, or certain family members to know they are in an agency, etc.

* They can be a sounding board to help you select and/or approach NEW women after you arrive.

* I think a good agency and/or introduction service will discourage you from proposing too quickly too a woman (i.e. on your first trip, or after knowing her only a few weeks or months).  A good service will encourage you to be more patient and cautious, since YOUR marriage is a big step... not just another opportunity for THEM to post wedding pix on their website.  Disclaimer:  The "meet and marry" method has worked for UtopiaCowboy and a few divinely fortunate others, but these are exceptions to the rule.  He's not called "Utopia" for nothin'.  More often then not, its a recipe for disaster.

Cons for Randomly Meeting Women:

* Forget all the help with the stuff mentioned above
* You're on your own in literally a "different world".  Good luck with that.

Pros for Randomly Meeting Women:

* You can come back to the board and brag about how much money you saved by going it alone.  (Hint:  Change your car insurance to Geico and invest the difference in an agency and/or introduction service  )

[Alabamaboy!]

Pros for using an agency:

1. Very efficient use of time. The only way you can meet literally 100 women in a week that are truly interested in a serious relationship and you. (at least a basic level of attraction).

2. It is "clean". If you do not feel the girl is a good match for you, that is it. You can have the translator break the news and you are out. No hard feelings. No hiding on the MSN because you are avoiding girls you used to talk to but are now not interested in.

3. If you use Jamie's place, the girls and even himself will give you the "inside scoop" on the girls. How they really are. Or how they percieve you to be.

4. Translators still are a valuable asset even if you are speaking Spanish at the level you are. They can translate complex situations, cultural things, sentiments, "feelings" better than you may be able to do.


If you randomly meet women...it is easy also...but you kind of have to do it one at a time. And they are not going to be so understanding if you say you want to meet some other girls the next day also.

The girls at the agency understand (for the most part) the process and mechanism of how the system works and will not give you such a hard time when you tell them you are meeting 20 new chicas in an hour.

And it the immortal words of the great legend Papi....."it is a numbers game".  You need to meet a lot of chicas to have some point of reference, and to increase your odds of finding your latina diamond. There are a lot of horror stories out there, but for the most part, the guys who seem like they had the best results seemed like they went the agency route and met a ton of girls before selecting "the one".

Good luck.

[bcc_1_2]

Pros for going it alone

- You don't actually go it alone. You can arrange with hotel to get picked up at the airport.

- chipichape mall in cali. hotties galore.

- agencies are all over. there is one in the damn mall. Bored? need a date? show up and negotiate a per meeting rate. Guess what when you are actually there the rates can be a lot better.

My experience says there is no reason to buy a big package with any agency. I discussed this previously but agency girls are only a small portion of the available hot chica population. With most agencies I only would find a few I'd like to meet anyways.

I'd suggest taking a wingman. It sure helps if he speaks some spanish too. 

[JimmySTLOUIS]

here is what you should do

make a speadsheet with a row for each girl

then make a colomn with 20 things like hottie factor, height you want, weight, smile, education etc

assign a point system to each unit - based on 1-100

then run your columns down and get a score for each girl


OK - I AM JOKING

I could tell you some things but I dont know if you want to hear them

you are not really going to get to know any of these girls in a short period of time

none are going to be your perfect girl

and what about this ..............what if you are not their perfect guy (after you done bought the goods)



you know why they have this saying "if mamma aint happy - then no one is happy"

[Researcher]

Pros for going it alone

- You don't actually go it alone. You can arrange with hotel to get picked up at the airport.

- chipichape mall in cali. hotties galore.

- agencies are all over. there is one in the damn mall. Bored? need a date? show up and negotiate a per meeting rate. Guess what when you are actually there the rates can be a lot better.

My experience says there is no reason to buy a big package with any agency. I discussed this previously but agency girls are only a small portion of the available hot chica population. With most agencies I only would find a few I'd like to meet anyways.

I'd suggest taking a wingman. It sure helps if he speaks some spanish too. 

                 Good points bcc. I liked agencies myself. I tried it alone also.It is possible to not use an agency.There are guys on this board who did very well without one. Some negatives I can think of from experience with agencies are: They attract scammers and green card girls.I don't care how well an agency claims to screen them, they still get in.It is still up to you to make the call. Then there is the IMBRA issue.If an agency isn't compliant your choices are to marry her there and file for a CR1(which takes longer) or file for a K1 or K3 and lie about how you met.I wouldn't recommend that.
                  I always advise to use an agency and going it alone.It is possible to do both.Why limit yourself? I met my wife through an agency and I didn't need the "gringo daycare" services, like getting picked up at the airport, translator, etc...All I wanted from them was to put women in front of me, and lots of them.I remember being just as enthusiastic about the first agency I used(back in '98) as some of the guys on this board are.But once I got accustomed to the atmosphere I saw it really didn't matter.An agency is a business. Ultimately, it was up to me to find what I was looking for.

[bcc_1_2]

Yea I'm not anti agency either. A point I've made in another thread is the massive amount of personals. There are so many online personal ads with Colombian girls that you can get  plenty of dates that way as well. With the agencies I suggest to just show up and pay when they perform.

If you are really shy (that's the nicest way I can put it but read between the lines there) then an agency holding your hand might be best. But then the women will walk all over you. In that case the latinas might not be for you.

[EbonyPrince]

Cabellero

I would keep this in mind.  You can find some pretty attractive AW, and Colombian women seem to have the idea that AW are beautiful.  They ask me why I am down there searching for latinas.  Keep in mind that when the lights come on at 2am in a club, some of these hot women aren't really so hot.  Also remember that when you wake up in the morning next to some women, they are most of the time less than hot (outside of the body).  Most AW women are dressed up behind makeup.  When you remove that makeup, they are very average in most cases.

With that said, most of the women that I have met personally actually look better in person.  It is really hard to get a good representation of someone from a two dimensional picture.  Now latinas will be wearing makeup also, but they appear much better natural than most AW IMO.  The only way that you will find out is by seeing them in person.  Most people don't photograph well unless it is photographed professionally.  These photos many times are re-touched.  So you can't get a full representation from a photo.

[lite sweet dude]

About photos, my gf just isn't photogenic but on the webcam and in person, she is as cute as can be. I'm glad I didn't pass on her just by looking at a photo or I would have missed out on a wonderful girl.

[Ray]

About photos, my gf just isn't photogenic but on the webcam and in person, she is as cute as can be. I'm glad I didn't pass on her just by looking at a photo or I would have missed out on a wonderful girl.

Most people don't photograph well unless it is photographed professionally.  These photos many times are re-touched.  So you can't get a full representation from a photo.

And that's precisely why I encourage guys to consider the ugly ones. By ugly, I mean the ones with poor quality, unretouched photos.

The hot chicks on the Web sites with glamour shot, touched up photos, and with their boobs hanging out, may have 150 guys writing to them while the ones with poor quality pics (or even no pics) may have 2-3 guys interested.

I say quit drooling and fantasising over those photos and concentrate on their character qualities as much as possible.

Do you want a lifetime with a super hot looking stuck up bitch, or a sweet, loving, intelligent, nice-looking woman??

Ray