Author Topic: agencies and the net- a young guy's perspective (Read 3103 times)

bcc_1_2 · « **on:** February 03, 2009, 11:51:40 AM »

Now that I've been to the capital of Latinaville or Latinacentral or the "promised land" I thought I'd pass on what I thought. I'm not sure you could call it heaven. I mean 72 hotties are easy to find.. but I'm not sure they'd meet the requirements

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Anyways agencies do serve a purpose in a place like Colombia. When you only go down for a week you are on limited time and they provide a service to cater to this. I didn't need to go to any... but since they are so frequently discussed on here I decided to. My personal thoughts are if you have some down time go ahead and hit them up. Negotiate a deal for personal introductions and pay when the chica shows up. I would come out against buying addresses or packages or anything other than a per chica meeting. Just look at their database..make your selections... and pay a reasonable fee to meet them. If you don't happen to be with someone that speaks spanish (and you dont speak it yourself) you obviously need a 3rd party to translate. I never encountered this issue, but if I went back alone and tried this I would. In that case I'd seek a third party to do this that was not affliated with the agency. You just want to make sure that the interpeter is your personal advocate. They aren't getting a kickback for getting you to buy more personal meetings or getting in the way of your success in any manner.

With the internet boom in our recent past this technology is starting to trickle down economic lines and is all over the world now. Girls that might in the past show up at "The Agency" are buying time on a computer or have their own personal computer they use to "advertise" directly to guys in the United States (and other various countries). So unless agencies reinvent themselves they are a dying breed.

You can't think of the internet without thinking of young people. Teens and early 20s people today basically grew up with the net. Personally I'm 25 and am likely the last of the generation that remembers DOS and a time when everyone didn't have the internet at home (at least with dialup). The only reason I remember this is because I started using a computer at a very young age (which is completely normal now).

The point I'm driving at is that most young guys haven't discovered international relationships. They are still dating women that probably grew up 10 miles away from them in many cases. I don't believe this website appeals to young guys. Now I'm not saying that the information here isn't excellent and many of the people here great. What I am saying is that the marketing is poor. It is too tied into this wacky concept of the "mail order bride" industry. When I type planet love into Yahoo this website shows up first in a search and is titled Planet Love's Mail Order Bride Guide. Resources and help finding a foreign wife abroad via the mail order bride method.

That right there will turn most of these young guys off and they will never visit. Changing the style of the website and how it is marketed to viewers/ future posters might be the deciding factor as to if this excellent website grows or declines. Because it is my belief that the agency scene is dying and the internet dating sites are going to continue to grow. So if you position yourself as an international dating website resource I think you eventually grow the number of young guys who post here. If guys think this is a website to discuss mail order brides or going down to colombia to get married in a week.... they won't visit.

jm21-2 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2009, 05:35:31 PM »

Yep, plenty of guys see "mail order bride," get creeped out, and leave. Gotta remember that most guys who have been through college have had feminism pounded into their heads for years and anything related to the idea of buying a woman is an automatic turn-off to them.

I think there are plenty of guys willing to look further afield, so they try out some of the domestic dating sites..maybe look a state or two away. But those sites are such a waste of time it's ridiculous. Few decent girls post a profile there because it makes them seem "desperate," and since guys tend to always go after the best girls there is a feeding frenzy over a few girls (when the ratio of guys to girls is already 4:1 or more...).

Getting those disappointed guys to take the next step and look outside their country's border I don't think would be incredibly hard...most people want to travel already and this would be an added bonus. But no one's marketing it very well.

Maria · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2009, 06:29:12 PM »

Hey Bcc, I am glad you got back home in one peace after all the reviews about Cali. LOL.. Let me know when you hit Barranquilla...

I am truly against guys talking about marriage to any woman in a first visit. It is nice to set goals and it does not hurt to let the woman know what to expect in the months to come after the man leaves communication: phone calls, letters etc....

Come on, Women know that the ultimate outcome of a relationship with any man is marriage. Why accelerate it. I think it leads to failure and it only benefits third parties who expect to profit from a man's second trip...

I have seen it over and over men filling out K1 forms within one week of meeting the wrong woman. And then finding themselves committed to a stranger who hardly ever answers her phone, can't communicate with, who has no interest in his life and asks for money. Not all of these one week engagements end in a happy ending.

Although most the women's profiles indicate wanting marriage, most the smart women I have talked to also indicate that it is important to first become friends and learn more about eachother. None have agreed to become engaged, committed to man they just met.

I see nothing wrong with a man leaving Colombia with 1 or 2 favorites and waiting to see which relationship develops best. And committing to either woman only when there are signs of true interest.

FL

Planet-Love.com · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2009, 06:29:12 PM »

bcc_1_2 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2009, 07:43:14 PM »

talking about marriage on your first trip is insane. I don't think I talked about it in this thread. but if you read about my trip... its pretty clear I was wowed and plenty confused hehe.

Looking4Wife · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2009, 08:10:21 PM »

bcc:

Good points about the whole "Mail Order Bride" phrase. In addition to young guys, I think it creeps out guys, girls, etc. of all ages. As you've alluded to, the term is extremely antiquated and has negative connotations. This has been discussed before in forums.

Hint to site owners: It's one thing for webmasters to retain the term for SEO. It's another thing to actually use the term repeatedly in a visible fashion on your site.

catz · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:58:54 AM »

Thanks for the input.

bcc_1_2 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:28:31 PM »

I know soltero has provided some good insight about the ladies in the past. Since FAL brought up the good point about not rushing the relationship or bringing up the "M" word I thought I'd add a few things.

What I found myself doing and I'm sure my wingman was doing the same was reducing expectations and specifically not trying to lead anyone on. The goal was to check the city out and just grow culturally and learn more about international dating/relationships. Meaning we didn't try and bring girls back to our hotel room or promise anything. In fact we tried to make our intentions very clear. We are just here to check the place out and meet some cool people.

I ended up taking a girl out a couple times. Found out she had a kid which was a surprise... I assumed by looking at her that she definiately hasn't had any kids. Plus she was 22.... well was I sure surprised. Anyways we saw some sights, ate some pretty good meals, dranks some, danced some. Just had a good time. I was very impressived with this girl... well actually woman... especially when compared to her "competition" back home. Since she is just a random person I'll share this. Despite my best efforts to be upfront... and trust me nothing happened with this girl.... after a couple of nights out this girl was crying and said it was the most fun she ever had. So certainly guys can be taken advantage of when they go down, but you certainly have an excellent opportunity to meet some great women. This particular girl was model hot. Actually she was probably a couple of inches too short to model... but you get my drift. Just something to keep in mind when you go down.

Bob_S · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:56:42 PM »

Quote from: bcc_1_2 on February 03, 2009, 11:51:40 AM

What I am saying is that the marketing is poor. It is too tied into this wacky concept of the "mail order bride" industry. When I type planet love into Yahoo this website shows up first in a search and is titled Planet Love's Mail Order Bride Guide. Resources and help finding a foreign wife abroad via the mail order bride method.

I'll concur with that. Part of the term is marketing to an older demographic who is familiar with the term but not what it really means, part of it is self-deprecating humor (said the guy who was a mail order husband

). The key is you want people putting the term into a browser to come up with you first. There's got to be a way to bury the term in the page source (so it gets hits) without it actually showing up in the title. For example: Planet Love's Foreign Bride Courtship Guide sometimes known by the misnomer Mail Order Bride.

Ray · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2009, 02:00:52 AM »

Well, there's one positive in using the term Mail Order Bride. It gets the dumb-ass feminazis all riled up. I don't really know why, but I enjoy pissing off feminazis.

Anyway, I'm not really into political correctness, so the term doesn't bother me.

I believe that the only folks out there that really believe that you can literally order a bride by mail, or over the internet, and have her shipped to your mailing address, are either incredibly naive or just plain stupid.

bcc_1_2 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 05, 2009, 06:34:03 AM »

Quote from: Ray on February 05, 2009, 02:00:52 AM

I believe that the only folks out there that really believe that you can literally order a bride by mail, or over the internet, and have her shipped to your mailing address, are either incredibly naive or just plain stupid.

That's not the connotation of the term I'd be worried about as I doubt hardly anyone believes that is possible. Its the fly to dangerous drug town, have the feds thinking you are a drug lord, meet some women via a slimy agency director, and bring a ring so you can get married on the trip. Actually I think your feminazis enjoy the term as much as you do because it clearly is a deterent... and they want to deter young men from this.

Researcher · « **Reply #10 on:** February 05, 2009, 07:28:53 AM »

Quote from: bcc_1_2 on February 05, 2009, 06:34:03 AM

That's not the connotation of the term I'd be worried about as I doubt hardly anyone believes that is possible. Its the fly to dangerous drug town, have the feds thinking you are a drug lord, meet some women via a slimy agency director, and bring a ring so you can get married on the trip. Actually I think your feminazis enjoy the term as much as you do because it clearly is a deterent... and they want to deter young men from this.

bcc,
They want to deter ALL men from this but the thing is after about 10 years or so, alot of guys wake up and start to consider foreign women.Many guys think about it but not many act on it.

Researcher

jm21-2 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 05, 2009, 02:41:06 PM »

Quote from: bcc_1_2 on February 05, 2009, 06:34:03 AM

That's not the connotation of the term I'd be worried about as I doubt hardly anyone believes that is possible. Its the fly to dangerous drug town, have the feds thinking you are a drug lord, meet some women via a slimy agency director, and bring a ring so you can get married on the trip. Actually I think your feminazis enjoy the term as much as you do because it clearly is a deterent... and they want to deter young men from this.

Let's not forget the "pick the girl you want to date from the catalog" (does she have a choice?)

"Buy some random girl's mailing address from us and start sending her love letters" (doesn't that seem just a little creepy?)

"Look at all these beautiful women and pick one to be your wife! Maybe date her later."

Ray · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2009, 06:50:50 PM »

Quote from: bcc_1_2 on February 05, 2009, 06:34:03 AM

That's not the connotation of the term I'd be worried about as I doubt hardly anyone believes that is possible. Its the fly to dangerous drug town, have the feds thinking you are a drug lord, meet some women via a slimy agency director, and bring a ring so you can get married on the trip. Actually I think your feminazis enjoy the term as much as you do because it clearly is a deterent... and they want to deter young men from this.

IMHO, any young men who are deterred by what you just said, or what the feminazis are preaching, don't belong in the foreign bride game.

So now drug lords are equated with men seeking foreign brides??

Planet-Love.com · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2009, 06:50:50 PM »

bcc_1_2 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 05, 2009, 07:07:24 PM »

Quote from: Ray on February 05, 2009, 06:50:50 PM

IMHO, any young men who are deterred by what you just said, or what the feminazis are preaching, don't belong in the foreign bride game.

So now drug lords are equated with men seeking foreign brides??

I disagree. First you can't put the blame on folks that just aren't educated on a subject. I just explained what many guys who see PL in a google search or when they browse good-wife think. Trust me its a valid response from many. The culture needs to transition from a "mail order bride" culture to an international dating culture.

That's step one. The second step is helping guys figure out if they budget that they can actually afford it. Stories of guys dumping 10s of thousands of dollars certainly doesn't help. I tell people all the time. Yea you can get a $650 ticket to Cali or Cartagena and a $50 to $80 a night room. Go with a buddy and its obviously half that. Taxis and food are cheap. Go for it man.

jm21-2 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 05, 2009, 07:53:46 PM »

Well, it's hard to say don't marry the first trip but you can do this on a budget. Basically all the guys who got married on the cheap made one trip.

bcc_1_2 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:30:19 PM »

Quote from: jm21-2 on February 05, 2009, 07:53:46 PM

Well, it's hard to say don't marry the first trip but you can do this on a budget. Basically all the guys who got married on the cheap made one trip.

oh come on... not if they went on one of those AFA trips. I don't even wanna know how much cash those guys throw in a black hole. It takes multiple budgeted trips.

jm21-2 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:51:57 PM »

Quote from: bcc_1_2 on February 05, 2009, 09:30:19 PM

oh come on... not if they went on one of those AFA trips. I don't even wanna know how much cash those guys throw in a black hole. It takes multiple budgeted trips.

How many young guys have tons of vacation time? If I was working for someone/something I'd probably have about 2-3 weeks of vacation/year. That's where the real crunch is. Even if you own your own business, you're talking about thousands of dollars in lost profits if you take even a week vacation.

bcc_1_2 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 06, 2009, 07:17:50 AM »

Quote from: jm21-2 on February 05, 2009, 09:51:57 PM

How many young guys have tons of vacation time? If I was working for someone/something I'd probably have about 2-3 weeks of vacation/year. That's where the real crunch is. Even if you own your own business, you're talking about thousands of dollars in lost profits if you take even a week vacation.

Yea I wont concede on the budgeting part. But the travel part is a challenge. You just have to consider your options. If you don't have a bunch of bills being young is a great time to do this. This doesn't hold true with our current economy. My best advice is once you find the one to build your trips around the weekend. Flyout friday night and return tuesday. Especially if there is a holiday on monday you only lose one day of work. That's what I would do after I found the right one just to keep in touch. But the time issue is the real issue in all of this.

jm21-2 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 06, 2009, 06:20:21 PM »

Maybe for latinas...flying to China or the PI for the weekend? That's more than a bit tough...

EbonyPrince · « **Reply #19 on:** February 07, 2009, 09:17:02 AM »

Quote from: FindaLatina on February 03, 2009, 06:29:12 PM

I see nothing wrong with a man leaving Colombia with 1 or 2 favorites and waiting to see which relationship develops best. And committing to either woman only when there are signs of true interest.

FL

Excellent advice.

EbonyPrince · « **Reply #20 on:** February 07, 2009, 09:24:16 AM »

Quote from: Ray on February 05, 2009, 02:00:52 AM

Well, there's one positive in using the term Mail Order Bride. It gets the dumb-ass feminazis all riled up. I don't really know why, but I enjoy pissing off feminazis.

Anyway, I'm not really into political correctness, so the term doesn't bother me.

I believe that the only folks out there that really believe that you can literally order a bride by mail, or over the internet, and have her shipped to your mailing address, are either incredibly naive or just plain stupid.

LOL...I agree. I don't even pay attention to the term or people's concepts or opinions. If it gets me what I am looking for, then I personally don't care. It would however be nice to place an order and have her delivered to your doorstep with free shipping...lol. I guess you still have to get to know her. So as long as I could send her back within 30 days of arrival I am cool with it...lol

bcc_1_2 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 08, 2009, 03:38:28 PM »

Quote from: jm21-2 on February 06, 2009, 06:20:21 PM

Maybe for latinas...flying to China or the PI for the weekend? That's more than a bit tough...

Yea I remember looking at tickets to thailand. a long trip. This summer they look to be getting expensive too. With the current global economy I do wonder if the prices will fall some with travel down.

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