Will International Introductions do the right thing or not?

[EbonyPrince]

WOW!!!

I have to side with Jamie on this one.  Being involved in the IT field I realize that someone's database or a salesperson's contact book is very valuable.  As a business owner or organization you will do anything to protect those assets.  I think that it is apparent that the letter potentially hurt Jay, but I feel a simple phone call while in Barranquilla could have remedied the situation. 

I doubt that an agency would try to sabotage one person, and it would not be beneficial to that agency to focus on sabotaging clients.  When I was in Manizales last year as some of you remember, I discussed my issues and disappointments with the agency owner while I was there for a couple of hours.  I got everything out on the table during my stay.  Airing dissatisfaction after the fact really doesn't benefit anyone.  A simple phone call would have given Jay the opportunity to potentially secure some type of compensation later.  A client or customer needs to provide a company the opportunity to remedy the perceived situation.  If he was having regular contact with these people prior to going down, I don't think the letter should have affected his situation at all.

I have worked a lot with Jamie in the past, and he has provided a lot of services to me free of charge.  He has asked that I use his services and accomodations if I returned to Barranquilla for him providing these services.  I had no problem with this, because I understand that he is running a business.  If I get what I am looking for and he makes a profit in the process, that is the definition of business.  He is providing a service in which he hopes to be compensated for.  I have been very satisfied with the effort that Jamie has put into ensuring that I was a satisfied client in the past.  Since the trip in question is over, I would suggest compensating him by some other method just to make peace.  He could phone these people so that Jay can still meet them if he still so desires, substituting for ones that they are unable to contact.

P.S.
After reading through more posts, Jamie claims to have provided the necessary notification that the person in question is in fact legitimate.  As I mentioned and now recollect, I have received quite a few emails directly from Jamie from girls that he has introduced to me without cost.  I have had contact and was provided phone numbers from these women without any interference that I know of from Jamie.  From past experience I know that some of these women can be extremely unreliable, and in fairness most these women only use internet access provided by Jamie's agency.  Fortunately or unfortunately, I wasn't going to make a trip to see a woman or women that I didn't feel were going to be good, solid prospects.  However Jamie's agency is still the defacto agency for me whenever I am in Barranquilla again.

[eagle1]

Jamie does have the responsibility to notify his "girls" of the information breech. What if one of his girls were raped or killed by one of these outside the agency men?

If Jamie had the policy of not letting men who purchased emails from him meet the girls without using his services don't you think there would have been more than one person posting about it in the last 5 years?

[sean126]

Jamie does have the responsibility to notify his "girls" of the information breech. What if one of his girls were raped or killed by one of these outside the agency men?

If Jamie had the policy of not letting men who purchased emails from him meet the girls without using his services don't you think there would have been more than one person posting about it in the last 5 years?

Yes, he does have that responsibility.  That is not the point.

Jamie had just recently sent these letters out in Sept. and Nov. So no, you wouldn't have heard about it before now.  Maybe a little more reading would fill you in a little better.

[jay5688]

Hey guys

For the sake of the post, all this has never been about the trivial amount of money, its never been about me trying to place blame on any one agency.

The only reason I mentioned anything about it, is the same reason Dan keeps telling us the board is here. To help anyone searching for a foreign wife.

I posted the ups and downs of searching for a wife my own way, this just happened to be one of the things that could happen to other guys in similar situations. I have listed both the ups and downs for my trip.

Trust me when I say, if I was worried about the money I would have went for it a long time ago. I almost went to the office when I was in town but , decided to not waste my time on my trip <you only have so much of it> to discuss these things in person.

I just marked it down as a lessoned learned and keep going. I look at it like getting bad food or service from a restaurant, the first time I overlook it , but mention it , the second time I really talk to the manager,, and if there is a third time I never go back.

So this post I feel has accomplished more than I expected in the fact it has been very informative to all and it should get valuable information into the hands of any new guy thats lurking and has the SA bug. So he can make decisions on his own with information from this board. Sean has said too many times he wanted to keep this private and not let it out into the open forum which I agree with. I know I never wanted to have anymore conversations with the agency on this or any matters but, when my post was directly dissected and criticised for the way I handled things , I addressed this and let it go,,I still feel like I had to say something to justify my actions concerning everything.

 I know bad press for any business never will accomplish anything, thats why I never names the agency , and by the way there are other agencies in Barranquilla.

I do think agencies are overrated in the bang for the buck aspect . For a lot less money and a small amount of pretrip time a guy can do extremely well with the cupid sites. If the guy travels to most any city in Colombia the options are almost endless to meeting women. If the guy keeps it realistic with the age difference and is not trying to go for a girl thats 18-20 yrs old when he is 60 yrs old. I mean get real if a girl is looking at a situation like that , there is really something wrong.

thanks guys and girls Jay

[william3rd]

Of course there is still the IMBRA issue that somebody raised, but I'm not wearing a badge, so it isn't my job to enforce it. Besides, I think it's an unfair and unconstitutional law anyway.   

But IMBRA requires the agency owner to collect criminal information about the US citizen before the contacts. If this fine upstanding sainted agency owner is so concerned about his stable of fillies and having to justify the crappy letter he sent out, he would be IMBRA compliant and would be all for it since it PROTECTS his investment properties. Similar to making sure your "girls" are all certified. . . . . . .

And. . . .  . whether it is constitutional or not. . . when the consulates start enforcing the regs and the noncompliant agency owner gets his teeth knocked out, will you all chip in for the bridgework due to the unconstitutionality?

[michaelb]

And. . . .  . whether it is constitutional or not. . . when the consulates start enforcing the regs and the noncompliant agency owner gets his teeth knocked out, will you all chip in for the bridgework due to the unconstitutionality?

Am I going to give him money because I don't like the law he ran afoul of? Of course not. Now, about the consulate enforcing the IMBRA, what can the consulate do to an agency? Fine them? Good luck collecting. Jail the operators? Get real, no way. Deny allfiancee and spousal visa involving the agency in question? Now that's something the consulate can do. Be sure when denying the visa, that the consulate explains to the people 'we had to deny this visa because the agency you used does not comply with the law'.....then I think the agency operator will soon get more than his teeth kicked.     

[EbonyPrince]

I do think agencies are overrated in the bang for the buck aspect . For a lot less money and a small amount of pretrip time a guy can do extremely well with the cupid sites. If the guy travels to most any city in Colombia the options are almost endless to meeting women. If the guy keeps it realistic with the age difference and is not trying to go for a girl thats 18-20 yrs old when he is 60 yrs old. I mean get real if a girl is looking at a situation like that , there is really something wrong.

Great attitude and I enjoyed your trip report.  This is really a contact sport, and guys you really have to be prepared when you travel down south.  I have been to Colombia 5, 6, or 7 times, hell I have lost count, and I continue to learn and tweak my MO.  I have always advocated using every method available to you when undertaking this adventure (agencies, online, networking, etc.).  You had the right attitude to make it into a vacation and not get too caught up in meeting someone on your first visit.  Also definately beware when you go after the eye candy or the bootilicious...lol.  A friend in Barranquilla once told me that if a woman is very attractive, remember that Colombian men also find her very attractive.  Thus a women gets used to the attention and they know what they are capable of getting.  So I agree with preparation, patience, and I strongly feel that learning spanish opens you up to more possibilities.

[rpcv]

Deny all fiancee and spousal visa involving the agency in question? Now that's something the consulate can do. 

Exactly and I am sure that if that starts to occur, would clients be willing to take a chance with an agency that is not in compliance with the law? I wouldn't.

[sean126]

If people want to continue to praise a dishonest conniving snake, it's their option.  Just remember that because it doesn't bite you the first several times you pick it up, Don't be surprised when it finally does. It's still a snake.  And since a snake has realty obligations now (as in Condo)....I look for more various complaints coming in the future about International Introductions.

If International Introductions is willing and able to intentionally or unintentionally screw someone over $25 (from what I gather, it could be more)then I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate to screw someone over more money.  Professionalism would say..."hey, it's only $25.  Here you go, no hard feelings, it wasn't intentional.  I wished you would have said something sooner."  THAT would be worth more than $25 to International Introductions in the long run, especially with Jay's repeat business.  Now, it will definitely cost him MORE than $25.  If just one person decides NOT to use his agency, buy an email from him or whatever because of all of this (and someone will, believe me)...all it takes is just one person to more than make up for the $25 bucks. 

Like I said, with everything else that's been said and debated about laid aside, this was definitely a....(wait for it)........... STUPID, stupid, stupid move on International Introductions part.   Even if it was 100% Jay's fault and not in reality 99% International Introductions' fault, The way the agency handled it was still a retard move on International Introductions part....in a professional and business way.  $25 bucks.  Un-freaking-believable.   

Mark Anthony is not looking so stupid now.

[Jamie]

Once again Jaime avoids answering the question with more cut and paste and insults. Very Clearly it was asked by William and I share repeat it:
Are you IMBRA compliant? Yes or no? very simple.

RPCV we are a Colombian company and we are not required to follow this American laws. If a client wants to comply on his own he is welcomed to.

RPCV, I know you are one of the posters that at every opportunity will try to get a dig in, but maybe you can be fair minded for one moment. Is there a reason you did not ask William why he did not answer my 5 questions, which were asked of him prior to his IMBRA question to me? All 5 of the questions had a question mark after them.

Since you feel I am not answering the questions please restate which ones I missed and I will do so.

[Jamie]

Quote from: Jamie on January 17, 2009, 05:55:46 PM
"We do not require anyone to use our translators. This is not stated anywhere on our website or anywhere on this thread by me."

Really Jaime? Explain this:
So you are claiming that clients can use their own translators? But yet the girls could not speak with Jay's translator based on the above statement issued by your office.  ???Hmm...

The above statement of mine reads: "We do not require anyone to use our translators." Nothing stops the girls from doing what they like and we don’t prohibit them.

The email says: We hope you don’t… use a random man’s translator who will only look after his interests and not yours. There is a difference between “requiring” and “hoping” someone does something.

This is no different then us hoping the man uses our translators. You don’t see anything wrong with that do you? We have a paragraph on the website that attempts to convince the man to use our translators and we have the right to ask the women to use this option also.

[william3rd]

RPCV we are a Colombian company and we are not required to follow this American laws. If a client wants to comply on his own he is welcomed to.

RPCV, I know you are one of the posters that at every opportunity will try to get a dig in, but maybe you can be fair minded for one moment. Is there a reason you did not ask William why he did not answer my 5 questions, which were asked of him prior to his IMBRA question to me? All 5 of the questions had a question mark after them.

Since you feel I am not answering the questions please restate which ones I missed and I will do so.

WARNING TO US CITIZENS USING THIS AGENCY. THIS AGENCY IS NOT IMBRA COMPLIANT

SOUNDS LIKE MEIRDRE DE VACA to me. . . .  bovine excrement to you non-Colombians

ACCORDING TO THE US GOVERNMENT, IT IS NOT THE REGISTRATION OF THE COMPANY; IT IS THE CLIENTELE. THEREFORE, HYMIE OR GRIMY or WHATEVER HIS NAME IS, IS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH IMBRA WHEN HE SERVICES A US CITIZEN. HE RELIES ON HOOKING UP HIS STABLE TO THE US CITIZENS. . . . . Which means he is lying to you all yet again.


FAILURE OF THE AGENCY TO COMPLY WITH IMBRA MAY RESULT IN YOUR FIANCEE BEING UNABLE TO QUALIFY FOR A US FIANCEE VISA. YOU ARE THEN WELCOME TO REARRANGE THE BRIDGEWORK OF THE NEWEST RECIPIENT OF THE SCUMBAG AGENCY OWNER OF THE MONTH.

I DIDNT ANSWER YOUR NONSENSICAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE I DIDNT FEEL LIKE IT. HAPPY NOW?

[Jamie]

So, when you sell an email address, you tell the lady "Expect an email from client Mr. Name."............OK, as long as at the same time you don't tell her "But if if he asks to meet you in person, you must meet him in my office with my interpreter" .......... If you do the first and don't do the second, then I don't have a problem with you.

That is correct. The two emails we sent out were only our response to translators claiming to be with International Introductions when they were not.

We not only email the women to notify them of the man writing them but when the man requests we also call the girls asking them to please respond to the man that they have a personal letter from him and to write to him directly.

[Jamie]

Jamie,
Basically I'm hearing..."Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah."  That's it in a nut shell.

That Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah was hard evidence, something you didn’t provide. I want you to look at the type of words you used for your evidence:

“I would think”
“she may have been exaggerating”
“The he-said, she-said thing” 
“Rumor was”
“gossiped to me”
“Do I need documentation?  No”
“(I believe)”
“it seemed to work”
“due to the fact that you had a....soft spot in your heart for her”

That’s what Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah is. Not the hard evidence I provide, and have, that can be verified.

For the sake of brevity....I stand by every single word I wrote.

Ok I am going to hold you to that. Starting from the beginning I am going to show how you have been dishonest and reaching with your accusations.

I was just correcting a statement you made and I quote: "You might have met someone special from International Introductions because we take great effort to maintain and monitor a valid database of reachable, sincere women."  and also here...."When ill behavior is exposed the woman is removed."

Fair enough so you provided 3 girls covering a span of 5 plus years to prove your point that I don’t do this.

For Bertha you provided no hard evidence, and never did or claimed to have talked to me about any of the goings on with her.

For Bertha I provided an email from you on January 18, 2005 showing where you, for the first time, are telling me Bertha has a boyfriend 5 months after you told me you knew she did, and thought I should have known. You make no reference to this email in you next reply except to include it has one of my “Blahs”. Why? Did I make it up? Or did you not like the content showing you were notifying me of this for the first time. You also indicated in that email: “I would hate to see some guy get heartbroken or something by getting all wrapped up in her.” Well you are now telling me some guy was and is out $200. Why did you not tell me this in you letter? I have this email of yours and it can be verified by any board member in Barranquilla who wants to cooperate it. Do you deny the date and content of this email? If you don’t deny it then the only hard evidence regarding Bertha is for the position I hold.

The second girl you stated as a “ringer” I told you that I had hard evidence of an email of the girl responding to a man the same week as your letter and that she married a client. You did not talk to me on this matter either. In your reply you failed to be gracious and acknowledge you were in error and formally excluding her from your list of three. Gentlemanly is no longer in the cards is it . I see where you now say,

Bertha and the other girl should have been pulled.

I assume now the girl you are knocking off was your “ringer.”

This brings us up to the last girl who in her letter to Jay states that she is involved with someone and only open to a friendship. To us she indicates that she is not in a committed relationship and we have at least one invitation where she accepts a recent introduction. Now Jay’s translator, if she wants to be honest, would be able to tell Jay and the board that this is not unusual. She has been involved in many such situations where a girl says she has a boyfriend as of way of saying no to the guy without hurting his feelings. We do not remove girls without checking out both sides. But you consider your judgment and knowledge in such matters to be superior to mine. Why?

So your support to dispute that we are diligent in removing women was 3 girls over a 5 year period. This is the type of evidence you bring to the table in an attempt to besmirch me? On your own accord you bring it down to 2. You have no hard evidence to support Bertha as being removable until she was removed. That leaves you with one girl. And at the same time you tell us of one of the girls you contacted was removed and

I believe you've yanked ALOT of them.

Yet after all this you still went ahead with your empty campaign to discredit me. Holding with

you didn't show diddly. I stand by my opinion and my statements.  Do I need documentation? No

This is what you call something to stand on?

You next try to discredit my word by stating I had

said no problem.

to you choice of translator. I provided hard evidence of an email sent to you March 11, 2004 that was quiet the opposite of “no problem.” In you reply you skip from further comment. Why? Is this email reply valid or not? Since you stated you stand by every single word, your position must me that it is not valid. Is that the case Scott? If so I again welcome any board member in Barranquilla now or later to cooperate and report if this is a valid email.

You next line of attack is to sink low and use innuendo, rumor and gossip to accuse me of favoritism, unprofessionalism, philandering and of having personality deficiencies. Yet you don’t know any of my staff or have been in my office for over 3 years. You must have a second life living off the rumors and gossips of Barranquilla. You have adopted Jay and like his attorney general you are throwing everything and anything you can to win his case hoping something sticks or that I’ll give up under the barrage.

“So women with one or more boyfriends that no one informs your male clients about (not even you) who, by the way, are shelling out sometimes thousands of dollars to meet said "sincere" women...these types are sincere?”

It’s funny when I provide helpful information that is not widely known how I often get attacked for it. It’s like I’ve said something sacrilegious, or made it up and then of course I am now guilty for having not all ready published this on my website before saying it.
To correct you again, I never said I do not inform my clients of this, of course we inform the clients when we know.  I do not know why you have this sentence in quotes? Provide my actual quote if you think I said this? Of course I don’t expect that to be forthcoming. You have a member from England that can attest to this if he likes. This misrepresentation is just more reaching and futility on you part to distort. And yes, when a woman tells us she has friend with benefits that’s being sincere.

You should clarify this on your website as well as you did on this forum.  Given that you pride yourself on honesty and professionalism.

what Latin agency provides more valuable and accurate information than mine? I’ll wait for that link. I am constantly adding new information and when I learn new information such as this that will be added. I have had a full time programmer in Colombia and a part time programmer in the States I have lots of new stuff in the works.

THAT was my point.  It's a load of BS.   Is that a huge deal...well I didn't think enough of it to mention my feelings or incidents before and I probably should have...but I didn't, but now in light of the royal screwing Jay has gotten

I have not idea what you are trying to say here.

and your obvious way of trying to dodge, sidetrack and do your "splitting every little minute hair" routine is a little too much at this point.

You mean “dodge” like how you dodged commenting on the email you sent me regarding Bertha? By “sidetrack” do you mean how you sidetrack the email showing your quote of me as saying, “no problem” wasn’t true?  “Splitting every little minute hair”, truth and rumor all the same to you huh? I provide the general facts with the detail backup, while you provide the gossip with the rumor. There is not one item or point I have dodged or sidetracked. If so clearly demonstrate what they are?

If you can't remember who you fired or why you fired them...I don't know what to tell you.  I stand by my word.  I didn't want to bring all this to the open forum, but I wanted to keep it in private...as I have stated before.

It is not relevant to anything if I did or didn’t remember. There is no dispute. You stated why I fired her and I don’t dispute that.

If you have no idea what's going on in your agency...that's for you to work out with your staff.  A more pleasant and approachable personality would help these women want to interact with you more than they absolutely need to.

Yes, I sound like I have no idea what’s going on and you do. But of course you don’t provide any evidence for this except, “Do I need documentation?  No” Almost sounds like someone turning omnipotent.

I was making a side point...but the main point is that you gave Jay a royal screwing with that letter and I believe that if everyone is saying the exact same thing for no obvious reason then I give that a little more credibility.”

Who’s everybody are you talking about the girls he tried to meet saying the same thing (for which we have been provided no details) or guys here agreeing with you?

Your starting to sound like another infamous agency owner who won't own up to his mistakes with all this..."I didn't know", "I can't remember",.”

You’re bring up situations that over 3 to 5 years old. Situations you choose not to bring up when current and you are comparing me to Mark? Are you a nut? Am I supposed to remember all the thousands of transactions and events that have taken place? I guess at least the ones you bring up, or I am like Mark. But of course you don’t have to remember or know everything. I pointed out where you stated in an email on January 18, 2005: “She (Bertha) had a boyfriend when she made her last trip to see me” and now you say,

She's (Bertha) had one since September (a few weeks after I left...

Well which is it before or after? But you did not answer that question, because it is ok for you to not know and remember everything:

She's had one since September (a few weeks after I left..."oh, let me split this hair down the the smallest atom and examine every little inch of it

For some guys knowing if their girlfriend had a boyfriend prior to their trip to visit is not splitting hairs.

 

and if I find out I'm wrong...well, I'll just lay it at someone else's feet even if it's the client" and not to mention all the "Blah..Blah..Blah.." Yes your baby talk for evidence. BS your giving.

Yes, I am the one with the baby talk and your burbling “Blah, Blah, Blah, you need to do some self examination. I am not blaming Jay for being wrong with anything, just you. It’s easy to ignore the hard evidence I provided and just call it BS and call it splitting hairs, but what it really is, is you ignoring the facts.

Your letter (I believe) purposely screwed anyone who didn't want to use your translators or pay you to arrange the meetings.  No if's, and's or but's.

You have seen the content of both letters and that content is what we wanted our members to see and still want our members to know. While one could select a sentence and say, “We hope you don’t cooperate with thieves who might call you and ask you to meet a man you are not familiar with or use a random man’s translator who will only look after his interests and not yours.” and reference it to a client in town it is absurd to say it would screw anyone. It is clear the theme of both those letters has to do with the theft of our database and for the girls not to deal with these individuals. The theme is not to avoid meeting men on your own without our translator. There is nowhere near sufficient content for you to make such an argument to show that is the purpose. But you do solely because as you say, “I believe.” I will tell you, and Jay’s translator knows this, there is only one thing that created delays for him and that was the mention of “ex-employees” stealing our database. Because Jay’s translator was an ex-employee and some of the girls may had concerns for this. I don’t know for sure but I suspect that is the case the girls here don’t read (understand) the fine print. But we had no idea in early September or late November when these email went out about Jay’s visit or his translator. How could we Scott? The first letter went out before he even purchased the addresses. Those letters went out the time they did because of incidences reported to us by members regarding the thieves not because of Jay or any other male client was in town. For you to think otherwise is nothing less than a witch hunt.

If your as Professional as you claim to be, then you need to do the "Professional" thing and give Jay back his money he spent on the emails.  Whether you think your in the wrong or not.  For me, your letter clearly shows what you was really trying to do and it seemed to work.

Then you need to re-read the letter and apply that “professional” tip to your own reckless, unsupportive attacks which shows a bias and subjectivism that a moderator should not have.

Believe me when I tell you without malice that your personal reputation simply can not be tarnished by what I say.  If you think you can put a muzzle on your staff...think again.  People may not tell you what they hear...but don't fool yourself dude. .

you do not know what your are talking about I know my staff and Barranquilla better than you. Everything I do is with the knowledge it’s in open view. No one here is muzzled except in the professional sense that you say and behave professionally and support the client in his objective. I am constantly fed gossip and information most of which I know probably is not true and I know it exports out regarding me and everyone else. I live with it and I am not concerned with it. I am surrounded by women and they are going to behave like women.

If I may be honest...you treat your staff extremely rude, you screw around with girls on your website toooo much, your tooo greedy and your personality sucks.  Many people know this already...so don't be shocked to know it's out there.  I mean...every single person says the exact same thing.

I think you would agree the only feedback you ever hear from the girls that have worked for me is that they do very good work. Do you think that’s and an accident? I am just so lucky that I have been able to hire good employees despite being the bad, foolish person you described me as. My employees do good work because they are trained and pushed to do so. They are not trained and pushed to like me. I am not here to entertain anyone with my personality and I don’t. What matters is the girls do good work and we get results not my likeability score. It’s really ease to back up gossip by saying, “every single person says the exact same thing”. Well who are all these people or is that just me splitting hairs? Can’t you back your accusations up with a little more hard evidence? If someone does not like their work environment they can leave or try to make it better. I have all ready heard from all my employees that I only pick on them or I favor another employee, welcome to girls world.

As for screwing around, I guess we can take that as another accurate report from 3000 miles out from someone who is not involved in my personal life, but seems to want to follow it. There is hardly an employee or a female in my vicinity that I have not been rumored to have slept with. If they have a child I hear it’s mine, if I am seen with them I must being sleeping with them. Even if I have never even been alone with them like Bertha I am rumored to have some interest (which I am hearing for the first time). I’ve never had the slightest interest and the only time I have talked to her is when she had requested such a talk or in your behave. Keeping taps of all these rumors and spreading them has made you one of them, a gossiper.

Why did I give you rave reviews if this is how I think you are?  Simple...my loyalty was with what I thought your agency stood for.

Your review and everyone else’s review is based on their actual experience nothing else. Not how they think I am, but the results they got from me. If you now want to change your history of who I am and how we are that’s up to you.

The good appeared to outweigh the bad.  But now...your greed has gotten simply out of control.  It's one thing to be greedy...it's quite another to "set up" your clients to get milked without informing them beforehand.  That's the only thing I'm having a problem with.

I have provided enough evidence to show this is not true.

If you have no intentions on giving Jay back his money, then just cut this debate real short and say so and spare us the "blah, blah, blah" BS.

your,  "blah, blah, blah"  baby talk is called hard evidence in the adult world.

The more you talk and try to wiggle your way out of that royal screwing you gave Jay the more that line is getting blurry between you and that other infamous agency owner who was brutally bashed a few times on here who doesn't like to admit he screwed up.

You mean the way you admitted, “ok I was mistaken she was not a ringer”. You have ignored almost all the hard evidence because you don’t want to admit that you screwed up with your hollow accusations. If there is a blurry line between me and Mark where is your evidence in terms of customer feedback from those that have used his service and from those that have used our services? The feedback should me pretty close since the line is blurry. Give me that evidence it won’t be hard to do? Or is this another example of what you think of as getting down to the smallest atom, asking you to support such a comparison?

Is the money Jay gave you for those emails REALLY this important to you?

No its not, but the client is not asking for a refund only you are. My decision is based on principle. We did not do anything wrong and we certainly did not plan to set him up as you accuse.

Or is your client base, repeat business, word of mouth, your agency's reputation and the reputation of your self proclaimed "professionalism" worth more?  For a suave business man like yourself, that should be a no brain-er.

All of that is important and I stand by the information I present and the basis for my decision. Your aggravate defense of Jay, false accusations and dishonesty has demonstrate an out-of-control vigilanteism to get want you want regardless of the means.

People can think I'm an idiot or a** hole all day long and it doesn't affect me.  I'm not the one with an agency.  Your the one arguing/debating with an idiotic a**hole.  I can afford to say..."it's the principle of the thing", many times it's not worth the owner of a business to say that to a client.

Ever since I have been on this board I have been told my debates and discussions can harm my business and I should be more polite, submissive or accommodating with the posters so as not offend anyone. Well [snip] that. The whole point of me working for myself is I am going determine what I am going to say and do. If someone does not like my views, my personality, my approach or whatever, as many don’t, I could care less. I expect to lose people that will be turned off, but that is not going to stop the fact that our service gets top notch reviews for a reason, we perform. We get many more pleased clients than dissatisfied clients. I accept living with both the negative and positive press that comes my way. It has served me well for six years.

Note this post was written off line prior to seeing anything posted since late last night.

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[Jamie]

WARNING TO US CITIZENS USING THIS AGENCY. THIS AGENCY IS NOT IMBRA COMPLIANT

SOUNDS LIKE MEIRDRE DE VACA to me. . . .  bovine excrement to you non-Colombians

ACCORDING TO THE US GOVERNMENT, IT IS NOT THE REGISTRATION OF THE COMPANY; IT IS THE CLIENTELE. THEREFORE, HYMIE OR GRIMY or WHATEVER HIS NAME IS, IS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH IMBRA WHEN HE SERVICES A US CITIZEN. HE RELIES ON HOOKING UP HIS STABLE TO THE US CITIZENS. . . . . Which means he is lying to you all yet again.


FAILURE OF THE AGENCY TO COMPLY WITH IMBRA MAY RESULT IN YOUR FIANCEE BEING UNABLE TO QUALIFY FOR A US FIANCEE VISA. YOU ARE THEN WELCOME TO REARRANGE THE BRIDGEWORK OF THE NEWEST RECIPIENT OF THE SCUMBAG AGENCY OWNER OF THE MONTH.

I DIDNT ANSWER YOUR NONSENSICAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE I DIDNT FEEL LIKE IT. HAPPY NOW?

I all ready stated why you did not answer the questions you're a coward. The lawyer I spoke to said I am fine. If you want to post the specific part of the law that says otherwise please do.

[bcc_1_2]

Holy crap. Well as 3rd party onlooker I have been keeping score here so to speak. If there was ever an agency I'd consider dumping some cash at it would have been Jamie's. Granted I'm a young guy who wants to check out some varies cities first before I'd enlist Jamie's services but I also kept his business in the back of my mind as a option once I've visited Cali and at least one more city to go along with my Costa Rica trip.

As a third party onlooker it sounds like Jamie did incur a theft at his place of business which is why he needed to get in touch with his female clients to inform them. However his blanket statement about all meetings being at his place and with his terp definiately caused confusion as to if the ladies are allowed to meet men who purchased their address. The worst case scenario is that the email was crafted this way to cut guys out who don't buy the full package. But giving Jamie the benefit of the doubt let's assume he just forget to make sure they knew it was OK to meet guys who purchased their address. Mistakes happen so you gotta give Jamie a break for making one. What sucks is that he doesn't even admit that he made that mistake. He never took any responsibility for the obvious confusion some of the ladies had. Forget refunds or doing something to make it right for the customer. The customer's mistake was never informing Jamie. It would have been nice if Jamie could at least admit his part of causing confusion. If it is the worst case scenario (which means he planned to do this to those purchasing addresses), then that is very bad. The only way we will ever figure out if going the address route is an option now will be if guys go down try it and write a trip report.

Also while reviewing this thread I noticed some name calling. Even if you strongly disagree with someone name calling certainly won't generate more business. Other than that William3rd has brought up more troubling questions that US citizens must ponder. Jamie's frist response was that he's in Colombia not the USA. His second response was that his lawyer said he was fine. That leads to one question. Is the American citizen using his service fine? William3rd says no.

He also hung findalatina out to dry and I really had to ask a bunch of questions to figure out exactly how see fits into his agency or if she does and if this former employee he mentioned was her. What we eventually found out was that finalatina didn't break any laws. It actually turns out that their rift is over something else. "Star" employees leave businesses all the time to branch out on their own or work at a rival firm. Sometimes they take clients with them.

Jamie's reputation seems at a crossroads here on this board. If I don't meet Miss Right on my next trip or two I'll probably use a third party service to find her for me. It is looking more and more like it might involve FindaLatina placing a personal ad for me and hooking me up with the girls she knows... and less and less like I'll be dropping a few grand with Jamie.

[singlefather no more]

It is looking more and more like it might involve FindaLatina placing a personal ad for me and hooking me up with the girls she knows...

bcc,

I would be very careful with FindaLatina since she has been playing games since the first day she posted here and will not even say if she is a man or woman..

She has not been above board in my opinion and I would not trust her him as far as a ten foot pole.

See the below thread and her/him playing games with YOU , catz and the members about what she/he does.. Don't you remember this thread and FL

Her/his responses really put me off..

http://www.planet-love.com/forum/index.php?topic=3824.msg40856#msg40856



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[bcc_1_2]

SF,

Yea I brought that topic back up (the thread you posted) as I was trying to figure out exactly who she was and what her association is/was with Jamie's agency. I had a lot of questions and wasn't getting answers so I became even more skeptical.

I've come to the conclusion that the person who stole Jamie's stuff was not findalatina but someone else (believe Jamie finally mentioned that). I think she wasn't so forthcoming about herself because of the reputation Jamie had with the members of this board at the time (basically that he was infoulable and if she spoke up about anything we all would gang up and trash her). She's gotten a very good review and I think competition is a very good thing. I think this thread brings about some very important issues that have been highlighted and it leaves myself and other 3rd party readers (possible clients) with a lot of questions.

What I infer is that findalatina probably has set up some guys with girls from Jamie's agency. I don't know this for a fact yet, but again it is something I infer. "stars"/employees do leave the companies they work for and sometimes even take clients with them. It happens here in the United States all the time. Sometimes the client only worked with the large company because of an individuals service. So when that individual departs the client stays with the person they prefer.

Oh and congrats on the new marriage and I can't wait to hear all the new stories about you and the wifey settling in! Best of luck.

[william3rd]

Definition of an International Marriage Broker. “International marriage broker” is defined as an entity (whether or not U.S.-based) that charges fees for providing matchmaking services or social referrals between U.S. citizens/permanent residents and foreign nationals.

The definition also exempts nonprofit religious or cultural matchmaking services, and dating services that do not match U.S. citizens/residents with aliens as their principal business and that charge comparable rates and offer comparable services to all clients, regardless of gender or country of citizenship.


HMMM- SHORE DOES LOOK LIKE IMBRA APPLIES TO THIS AGENCY, DONT IT? SHORE 'NUFF. . . .

RIGHT NOW THE GOV HASNT BEEN ENFORCING IT BUT IF THEY START TOMORROW. . . . .

WOULD YOU BUY A USED CAR FROM THIS MAN?

[william3rd]

Marketing of Children Prohibited. IMBs may not provide personal contact information, photographs, or other information about anyone under the age of 18 to any individual or entity. (Section 833(d)(1))

Duty to Disclose Criminal and Marital History and Obtain Written Consent. Before a (for fee) IMB may provide a foreign national client’s personal contact information to a United States client, the IMB must: (1) search sex offender public registries for information regarding the United States client; (2) collect certain criminal and marital background information through documentation or an attestation from the United States client; (3) provide to the foreign national client any records retrieved from the sex offender public registry search and the background information collected in her primary language; (4) provide to the foreign national client a government-prepared information pamphlet about the legal rights and resources available in the U.S. to immigrant victims of domestic violence and other crimes; and (5) obtain the foreign national client’s signed, written consent to the release of her information to the United States client. (Sections 833(d)(2) and (3))

[rpcv]

Quote from: Jamie on January 17, 2009, 05:55:46 PM
"We do not require anyone to use our translators. This is not stated anywhere on our website or anywhere on this thread by me."

The above statement of mine reads: "We do not require anyone to use our translators." Nothing stops the girls from doing what they like and we don’t prohibit them.

Ahh, the usual denial and contradictions from Jaime again; lol. Here's your exact words again Jaime as previously listed:

Quote from: Jamie on January 17, 2009, 07:30:44 PM
Let me start off by providing the English translation of the letter that was sent out on 9/2/08 which in my first post I wrongly stated was sent in November:  The only translators that should call you are:"

To me that sounds like a requirement. You are stating to the ladies that the only translators that should call them are "..". Perhaps a poll on here would resolve this...

 

 

[rpcv]

RPCV we are a Colombian company and we are not required to follow this American laws. If a client wants to comply on his own he is welcomed to.

See folks? I asked a simple "yes/no" question and notice his above response. So I guess we have to conclude that Jaime's agancy does not comply with IMBRA. Fine by Jaime but good luck explaining that to embassy officials if this becomes an issue during your fiancé process.

RPCV, I know you are one of the posters that at every opportunity will try to get a dig in, but maybe you can be fair minded for one moment. Is there a reason you did not ask William why he did not answer my 5 questions, which were asked of him prior to his IMBRA question to me? All 5 of the questions had a question mark after them.

I am sorry to hear you think that I try to, "get a dig" at you whenever the opportunity presents itself. If you actually read things Jaime, you would know that I have also given you accolades on here and even defended some of your statements at times.

I don't choose sides; I only expect truthful statements so that folks can make informed decisions for themselves. I have replied to others KB, etc about some of their remarks but I don't respond to every post individuals make on here. If I did I would have 1000's of posts myself. Give William a chance to respond to your questions. Usually Yes/no questions are easy for most folks....

[Maria]

Hello Everyone,

I will like to give my final comments on this thread. Thanks to all the members who saw the light and made a great effort to find out the truth.

Singlefather, You do not know me or Jamie I believe you have not ever done business with the man and just because his writing sounds good it does not mean he is right.

My name would have never been brought up on this thread if the I.I. owner wouldn't have lead everyone to believe that ¨The Good Translator¨ and the person who stole his info were the same. Jamie was just grouping the two together trying to stop Americans from using the services of someone who used to work for him. People know the history on the forums Jamie did not separate the 2 because he wanted to discredit me further....

I can understand that he would have a responsibility regarding the theft of personal details in a database to say something but why make nameless accusations?  He was worried that clients were using details he provided ie email addresses and were then using another translator outside of I.I. so he did it to (1) protect the girls ie the theft of the database but (2) TO STOP ANY CLIENT FROM USING A TRANSLATOR WHO DOES NOT WORK FOR JAMIE!....

I Hope learned a pretty good lesson with all this.... I know we all did ....



FL

[soltero]

bcc,

I would be very careful with FindaLatina since she has been playing games since the first day she posted here and will not even say if she is a man or woman..

She has not been above board in my opinion and I would not trust her him as far as a ten foot pole.

See the below thread and her/him playing games with YOU , catz and the members about what she/he does.. Don't you remember this thread and FL

Her/his responses really put me off..

http://www.planet-love.com/forum/index.php?topic=3824.msg40856#msg40856



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I really don't understand the desire to know every minute aspect of this person's life because they got labeled as a commercial member by the moderating staff. It was very obvious when it happened that they were caught unaware by the decision, and were not prepared for the slew of questions that followed. I can FULLY understand them not wanting their private info exposed publicly, and all of the character assassinations due to the fact that they wish at this time to have some privacy seem to be ludicrous and reaching. I can fully understand FAL's  position being new here and wanting to get the lay of the land before exposing himself/herself too much, especially if he/she is actually female. You never know what kind of nutcases may follow you around harassing you and besmirching your good name as has been proven here with these ridiculous insinuations because he/she doesn't want to be publicly exposed at this time. How hard is it for something like that to sink in?

It seems at times that the ability to read is subjective and once a point that needs to be followed into the dirt has been concluded, then it doesn't matter how well the person explains their reasoning, you still have those armchair detectives that are certain they have something to hide. It is silly and getting quite redundant. Hopefully, this person can find peace here ad stop being so harassed over the fact that their weird stalkers want them to  display whatever they had for lunch on a given day and where.

[jay5688]

Great post Soltero,

I have often wondered how to stop the ridiculous< almost at times attacks> on her.  Why she has stayed only reflects the type of character she truly has, to put up with all the BS she has faced since joining the board.

I still believe unless you state something like IMOP, then do not guess about someones character or personality in an open forum. good or bad,, just my two cents which really isn't worth that now with the great economy we have LOL