Will International Introductions do the right thing or not?

[sean126]

All I can say is wow, this is very disturbing to hear. If a person pays for an initial contact and then cannot meet a lady without using the agency translator, that sounds lame to me. I do not know of another agency in Colombia (and I know of atleast 5) that have this policy.  Will the next requirement be to eat at "authorized" restaurants?

We do not require anyone to use our translators. This is not stated anywhere on our website or anywhere on this thread by me.

That's the beauty of it rpcv.....if you can set your self up to look innocent, you appear to be in the clear.  Instead of simply being professional, screw'um.  It's more money in your pocket.

Not that I don't enjoy the back and forth banter. But this is in reality what the thread is all about. Why continue with the back and forth and ignore the elephant in the room? When newbies or interested parties read this thread in the future to determine what agency to pick... this is question they will likely be focused on. So.....

The only remaining question is will the customer get a refund.

 

Thank you BCC.  Perhaps after every hair is split, after every atom of said hair is examined, discussed, debated and argued about and after we read a thousand word essay...perhaps we will get a simple Yes or No. 



Yeah....Professionalism at it's finest!  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.  I would hate to see a dishonest and unprofessional agency owner. 

[Kiltboy1]

We should call Jamie "MR CUT AND PASTE"
He likes to write these long dissertations with a lot of rambling,BUT NO REAL SUBSTINENCE !  Sean, he still has not answered the question you have asked him to answer in almost every post you made. Jamie, ANSWER SEAN'S QUESTION, ARE YOU GIVING THE MONEY BACK OR NOT, LIKE SEAN SAYS, IT IS A YES OR NO ANSWER ??

[Dave H]

If guys came to Colombia with the intention to only meet women without boyfriends there would be a limited number of women for them to meet. Most unmarried women have one or more boyfriends very much like the Colombian guys do.

LOL Not only Colombia. That is not uncommon throughout the world! Some of these women are looking for someone better to come along. Others are only looking for money. While some hope to eventually divorce the Gringo and petition their boyfriend.

Dave

[sean126]

We should call Jamie "MR CUT AND PASTE"
He likes to write these long dissertations with a lot of rambling,BUT NO REAL SUBSTINENCE !  Sean, he still has not answered the question you have asked him to answer in almost every post you made. Jamie, ANSWER SEAN'S QUESTION, ARE YOU GIVING THE MONEY BACK OR NOT, LIKE SEAN SAYS, IT IS A YES OR NO ANSWER ??

LOLOLOLOL.....Kiltboy, if he doesn't answer the question then he can claim "I never said I wouldn't give a refund to Jay" and "technically" he'd be right, just like he never stated the someone MUST use his translators.  "Technically" he's right.  But that's just playing with words.  Ut oh....someone said it again.

I know he's busting at the gut to say.."If you had only used my translator to begin with then none of this would have happened."  But he can't....that would just prove everyone's gut instinct as 100%, beyond a doubt, correct that this "misinterpreted letter" was purposely done to milk clients out of more money.     

[michaelb]

The only remaining question is will the customer get a refund.

Jamie, before you moved to Colombia, did you by chance run a note lot? All I'm getting out of your 'explanations' is:

Look, Mom, I am not giving you the money back. There was nothing wrong with the transmission in the Buick when I sold it to you last last week.

[bcc_1_2]

Sean, I'm really starting to follow your line of thinking with this. If I went to BAQ and just ordered 30 email addresses for $150 bucks and stayed at the hotel of my choice thats a lot less than his $1500 package and I would have purchased and all the other expenses a long with it. All I would have to do would be to get friendly with findalatina and I'd be all set with a terp as well. I see a loophole which that email was probably supposed to close. If that is the case at least come out and state it on the website so everyone knows....

So Yes refund or no refund  

[Jamie]

Let me start off by providing the English translation of the letter that was sent out on 9/2/08 which in my first post I wrongly stated was sent in November:

"One of the duties that International Introductions takes on when you are using our translators is to look after your best interest. You are as important to us as our male clients who pay for our services and we will provide any kind of assistance and advice that you need to help you through the process of making a good choice. We hope to continue having an honest relationship with you one that is beneficial for everyone.

If you have used our services in the past you know that International Introductions will never introduce you to a gentleman without sending his pictures and profile beforehand. We want you to have that information before we set you up on a date, we do not set up blind dates. The only information about you that we provide to a client that wants to contact you is your e-mail and we notify you via e-mail before the guy writes you. We DON’T give out your phone number or home address.

Recently an old employee stole our date base (phones and E-mails) containing the information from the women in our agency and sold it to another agency. So its is possible that someone who doesn’t work for International Introductions will call you to set up a date with someone you are not familiar with or they may contact you from an E-mail that is not one of ours: o@international-introductions.com or a@international-introductions.com.  For the sake of privacy all of our first introductions are set up at our office quarters. We do not hold meetings anywhere else, so you must never accept a first date that is not set in our office. If they ask you to go elsewhere, you will know that the person who’s calling you doesn’t work for us.

We hope you don’t cooperate with thieves who might call you and ask you to meet a man you are not familiar with or use a random man’s translator who will only look after his interests and not yours.  We try to facilitate two way relationships and people who work here are responsible for helping you whenever you need us to.

If you get any type of E-mail or phone call we would appreciate it if you forward the message right away.

The only translators that should call you are:"

Now sean tell me which specific sentence or sentences you feel does this:

You basically told these girls NOT to use any other translator but yours and NOT to meet anyone unless it's set up by you.

 
 
Which specific sentence or sentences you feel does this:

you screwed this guy and screwed him royally.

   

Which specific sentence or sentences you feel does this:

"Use my translator or don't meet any of my women because I'm going to scare the hell out of them" is basically the jest of it.

   

Which specific sentence or sentences caused this:

but this guy bought the emails from YOU, not his translator or some other company and you made it extremely difficult for him to meet these women.

   

Which specific sentence or sentences does this:

you pull some underhanded B.S. like this.

   

This is the email that was sent on November 25, 2008 that Jay felt caused some cancellations. The Spanish version is on the bottom.

"Greetings from International Introductions

Beware of anyone who introduces themselves as a client or part of International Introductions, or says that they have bought our website, or that they used to work here.
Unfortunately thieves and dishonest former translators have access to our database and they are calling women to meet strange men they have no information about.

The translators at International Introductions help and represent you in a fair way. Translators who don’t work at International Introductions only represent the gentleman. They won’t care for your well being.

Keep in mind that International Introductions only introduces you to gentlemen whose profile you have seen and indicated to be interested in meeting before hand.

International Introductions doesn’t give out your phone number or address to anybody. If a stranger contacts you, you must not communicate with them.

International Introductions has been helping women from Barranquilla find sincere men for over 6 years. For your safety and well being you must not associate with any translator who is contacting you in a dishonest way or saying they’re someone they’re not.

The only phone numbers we will be calling you from are
xxxxxxx

You may save these number in your phone’s contacts so you can know when it’s us calling you.

The only E-mails you will be getting or messages through are o@international-introductions.com y a@international-introductions.com

If you have any questions or concerns about a suspicious phone call or E-mail you might get, please call us at 368 3065. We apologize for any inconvenience this situation might have caused you."

Now sean tell me which specific sentence or sentences you feel does this:

You basically told these girls NOT to use any other translator but yours and NOT to meet anyone unless it's set up by you.

 
 
Which specific sentence or sentences you feel does this:

you screwed this guy and screwed him royally.

   

Which specific sentence or sentences you feel does this:

"Use my translator or don't meet any of my women because I'm going to scare the hell out of them" is basically the jest of it.

   

Which specific sentence or sentences does this:

but this guy bought the emails from YOU, not his translator or some other company and you made it extremely difficult for him to meet these women.

   

Tell me which specific sentence or sentences caused this:

you pull some underhanded B.S. like this.

   

I will now give the timelines.
The first letter was sent out September 2, 2008
The client bought 3 addresses for $25 on October 27, 2008
All 3 girls were notified by email to expect a letter from him and to respond.
Within a week of the address purchase two of the three girls were notified by phone to respond to him. The 3rd was the girl that wrote him saying she was involved with another guy.
The final letter was sent out November 25, 2008 (halfway between clients visit)
sean are you telling me that a letter warning girls to be aware of strangers and translators representing themselves as International Introductions sabotaged his visit and ability to meet these 3 women? He obviously had to get some interest via email from these women prior to setting up a date, wouldn’t some degree of friendship have developed by then where such a letter should have no impact on his visit? 

What I see was wrong???....Well, for starters you can translate that "letter" in English.

The letter was never in English it was dictated in Spanish and the purpose of the copy was to provide the actual letter as evidence. I had summarized what was in the letter:

“A letter was sent out to all the women in the agency in September 08 advising them that an ex-employee had stolen our database and the thieves were at times representing themselves as International Introductions, associates of International Introductions or the new owners of International Introductions. We indicated in the letter how you would know if you are dealing with us or the thieves. Another letter was sent out in November mentioning the theft and how the women were better served when represented by International Introductions translators.”

I will respond to the specific sentences you find offensives once you reply to the above questions. Quote me.

We hope you do not collaborate with the thieves who might call you to meet a man you do not know....heres a good part that can't POSSIBLY cause great confusion with these girls, Jamie... or use a translator of a gentleman who is only protecting his interests and not yours.

There is no confusion sean. You don’t seem to understand we treat the women as equal clients to the man. The women are given advice just as the man is given advice and it is a fact that free lance translators under the pay and control of the client only represents the male paying client they do not protect or represent the women in any manner. This advice is good for the women and it will be provided to the women. Do you believe a freelance translator under the pay and control of a man is at the same time going to represent the woman equally as well? 

What did you do wrong?  Are you kidding me Jamie?  You basically told these girls NOT to use any other translator but yours and NOT to meet anyone unless it's set up by you.

Lets not deal what it basically says tell me what it exactly says?

I'm surprised as thorough as you usually are that you didn't have the english version posted on here.  I think I can see why now.

The English version was not posted because there was no English version. If I wanted to hide anything as you insinuate I would not have posted the letter or posted a response to the thread. I did both willingly because I do not have anything to hide.

Yes, you screwed this guy and screwed him royally.  Yes, he should have called....but you knowing he was there, like you admitted...

Yes I knew he was here only after we sent the letter and got a phone call query from a girl asking about him. I am not aware of any problems until he started this thread.

I'd say you knew exactly what you was doing.  "Use my translator or don't meet any of my women because I'm going to scare the hell out of them" is basically the jest of it.

sean you are a loose cannon this is absurdity. I am going to send a letter out to 3000 girls so I can scare the 3 girls he bought addresses from. This letter was sent with no knowledge of Jay being in Colombia. It was sent to deal with other parties representing themselves as translators for International Introduction who were contacting women through a database that was stolen from us and we were trying to hinder the thieves from profiting from the theft. We were only made aware of Jay being in Colombia after the letter was sent and being contacted by one or two women asking us about him. At which time we told them he was a client and safe to meet. You select any actual segments from that email sent on the 25th of November that could possibly apply to Jay and tell me what is the percentage of content to the whole content of the letter? Almost nothing yet you are accusing me of planning to sabotage his visit with such minor content?

That's basically what I read in this letter. I understand you wanting to protect your business.  I truly can...but this guy bought the emails from YOU, not his translator or some other company and you made it extremely difficult for him to meet these women.  I'm talking about YOUR part Jamie, not his part.

We made it difficult for him sean? You mean by promptly giving him the 3 emails, notifying the 3 women that he was going to write, then talking to 3 women indicating he was a client and to please respond and then giving assurance to the one or two girls that called. You call that making it difficult for him? An email notice send out almost one month after his purchase with almost no reference that would apply to him?

The right thing to do would be to give him his money back for all of the women who canceled on him.

We provided the service of his purchase, 3 addresses. There was not hindrance in the client accessing and getting responses from these 3 women and it appears that he did. There will be no refund because none is due. The right thing would be for you to support your accusations with facts but you don’t.

If all of the women he later contacted again are saying basically the same thing, then I'm more apt to believe something other than..."If a girl wants to misinterpret our email it's out of our control."

I don’t have the details of who said what without calling the girls since such information was not provided by the client but that number can’t be very large since he only bought 3 addresses.

That's Bull [snip].  You played more of a direct part than you led on...or trying to make us believe.

The only bull sean is your attempt to bully me. For someone in a position of a moderator you have been sloppy, inaccurate and untruthful and I will be going in great deals with evidence in pointing this out in my next post. I provided the details and evidence of what took place and if anyone feels what I did is wrong they can make their judgments. I try to be transparent in how we do business. I certainly do so more than any other agencies because you don’t them posting here do you sean. 

Now it's time to live up to the hype you've put on your website and some of the claims you've made here and it's time to deserve some of that praise many, many, many of us have given you to others on your behalf.

sean you would make a good advocate for the ACLU. After 6 years you are saying “now” is the “time to live up the hype”. I have years of testimonials here I don’t need to say anything. Any claims I have made here have been sufficiently attested to I don’t need to say more. Any praise I deserve comes from the past service rendered not from knuckling under over hyped accusations.

You screwed this guy (and perhaps others) as much as you could with this letter because he didn't use your translator and then try to claim innocence.  That's just not happening here.

What is happening here is a reckless moderator making charges he can’t substantiate. 

I'm not giving you an ultimatum, I'm hoping for the guy I've been bragging about to do the right thing here.  Otherwise you can immediately remove my name from your reference list and my opinion of you will have drastically changed and as a former client and fellow poster it will be adamantly conveyed to anyone else who asks about your agency on this website in my usual enthusiastic way.  I will not be able, in good conscience, to continue to give you a good review if you refuse to correct the royal screwing you gave this guy.  I'm extremely surprised by your omission of any guilt.

And I am surprised by your recklessness. Your name has been removed from my reference list you or anyone else can state your position of our services as you see fit. I have lived off them in the past and I will live off them in the future. The right thing would be for you to have your facts correct.

I'm going out on a limb here...and I'll take a wild guess that one of your first responses will be something to the affect of..."Oh, but I'm protecting the women in my agency."  Which is all fine and dandy...but in this specific, particular situation that would be a bunch of B.S.

I protect my interest first which I line up with both the male and female clients. The B.S is your attempted at intimation.
 

Out of respect for you I would have much rather have relayed this in a private pm...but you asked.  I wasn't ranting here...it just took more than a few words to fully answer the questions you asked me so there would be no misunderstanding about what I meant.

That’s right I asked and this is where I want it to be played out.

I actually feel terrible for this guy.  He comes on here, see's the reviews and praises and then you pull some underhanded B.S. like this and say..."what did I do wrong?"

I fully explained my position anyone who sees anything underhanded beyond your wild accusations is blind and bias to the evidence. I don’t want you to skip out sean. Answer my questions. You have new information that you did not have before. And I am going to go into more details later.


Copy of Spanish version sent out 11/25/08

Un saludo de International Introductions.
Ten cuidado con cualquiera que se presente como cliente o parte de International Introductions, o diciendo que han comprado la pagina de International Introductions, o que antes trabajaban en International Introductions. Desafortunadamente ladrones y ex traductoras deshonestas tienen acceso a parte de nuestra base de datos y están llamando a chicas para conocer a hombres externos sobre quienes no tienen información.

Las traductoras de International Introductions te ayudan y representan justamente. Las traductoras que no trabajan para International Introductions solo representan al caballero. Ellas no protegerán tu bienestar.

Entiende que International Introductions solo hace reuniones en nuestra oficina, nunca en un hotel.

International Introductions solo te presenta caballeros de los cuales tú has visto su perfil y has aceptado conocer con anticipación.

International Introductions no le da tu número de teléfono ni tu dirección a nadie. Si te contactan extraños simplemente no debes comunicarte con ellos.

International Introductions ha estado ayudando a las mujeres de Barranquilla por más de 6 años a encontrar a hombres sinceros. Para tu seguridad y beneficio tu no debes comunicarte ni asociarte con ninguna traductora o traductor que te este contactando de una manera deshonesta o diciendo ser quien no son.

Los únicos números telefónicos que deben llamarte son:
xxxxxx

Puedes guardar esos números en tu celular para que nos identifiques cuando te llamemos.

Los únicos correos de los cuales debes recibir nuestros mensajes son: o@international-introductions.com y a@international-introductions.com

Si tienes alguna pregunta o preocupación acerca de cualquier correo que recibas o llamadas sospechosas, por favor contáctanos al: 368 3065. Nos disculpamos por cualquier inconveniente que esta situación te haya podido causar.

Atentamente,

[bcc_1_2]

Ok so to recap. No mention of any refund. And you can buy email addresses. But if you attempt to email any girls...send her your pic and try to meet it isn't going to happen unless you buy more of Jamie's services. That means his terps and possibly even paying to stay at his pad or for personal introductions. Basically you either buy his full package or personal introductions. If you buy the email its a waste of money because you can't meet them. His email says only meet at his place with his interpeters. So girls aren't going to meet you anywhere else. So guys... if you buy emails don't expect to set up any dates with them.

Not that I expect questions to be answered. But Jamie, the person you said stole from you. Does he or she post on this forum?

[Jamie]

We should call Jamie "MR CUT AND PASTE"

So you not only dislike when a business sets it own prices and services you dislike organization in general.

He likes to write these long dissertations with a lot of rambling,BUT NO REAL SUBSTINENCE ! "

Do you mean substance bright boy. Ok I will make it short for you:

but he goes after guys that are clueless most of the time.

Name the cluelss! You have talked about them for years. There on this site who are they!

It’s amusing how over the last few years it always the same guys looking to get their stab in when I confront a topic. No, none of you guys are biased. And for the harp seals, I don’t immediately post because I also have other things to do in life. You can go to sleep without monitoring your computer I will respond to everything like I always have.

[william3rd]

Look Mark- dont take this personal but. . . .
oh hell, its not Mark. . . .
Sorry. . .

[Jamie]

Ok so to recap. No mention of any refund. And you can buy email addresses. But if you attempt to email any girls...send her your pic and try to meet it isn't going to happen unless you buy more of Jamie's services. That means his terps and possibly even paying to stay at his pad or for personal introductions. Basically you either buy his full package or personal introductions. If you buy the email its a waste of money because you can't meet them. His email says only meet at his place with his interpeters. So girls aren't going to meet you anywhere else. So guys... if you buy emails don't expect to set up any dates with them.

This is not the case the lodging is only for introduction services. Jay met his girls and many other guys have met girls from the agency on their own.

Not that I expect questions to be answered. But Jamie, the person you said stole from you. Does he or she post on this forum?

Yes I made that clear in my first post: "The “good translator” you are using was fired by me for stealing business and lying. She posts here surreptitiously concealing details of who she is." The person who stole my database is another party.

[bcc_1_2]

So Jamie, the translator you speak of is FindaLatina. The person who commited a crime is not then? Correct?

Jamie... how can guys meet the girls on their own when you send out emails saying to only meet at your place with your translators? That would seem impossible to do after your email

[michaelb]

Ok so to recap. No mention of any refund.

You are mistaken, bcc. In his last post, he specifically said: "There will be no refund because none is due."

However, bcc, I agree with your other points, if he tells the ladies to only meet at his office and with his interpreters, that effectively prevents a 'bought the emails and contacted them and asked them to meet me' customer from meeting them, unless of course Jamie's going to provide office space and interpreter service at no additional charge (which I kind of doubt) OR tell the ladies whose address he has sold "Expect an email from client Mr. Name." and he should do this when he sells the email address, not say "Oh, yeah, this guy's alright" when the lady specifically says "Despite your warning letter, Mr. Name has contacted me, what should I do?"

Yes, Jamie, it's your business and you can run it as you please.

[william3rd]

ohhhh sure she is. And you know this just because.  . . . .  the readings in your foil hat tell you. we are more or less anonymous here, arent we?

Y'know - minister mark is not vindictive in his posts. I think the Ahouri de Cartagena posts and threads are much more fun than the Beeyatch Master of Barranquila

10,000 words later. . . . and the puzzle is complete. No refunds- caveat emptor!!!!

[Jamie]

Are you IMBRA COMPLIANT, DAD? Doesnt look like it. So you better raise your profile if you are going to continuing caring for these lost souls. Sooner or later, the consulates will be out enforcing. . . .

As for as spending any time answering your stuff, I choose not to participate in wordsmithing. You screwed the guy- and your letter to your "stable" shrieks control issues to the heavens.

William what a coward you are. You sit back and make insults. How difficult that must be. And it’s such a surprise that you would insult an agency owner. You hate them all don’t you? Never saw you miss an opportunity to get a dig in at an agency owner. One of them must have really done you bad.

And you call me Mark yet you are the one running away, but of course not beyond stone throw reach.


Opinions William Can Not Defend:

Sure is nice that the girls can rely on DAD to protect them down there at the agency. ?

William the girls are our customers is that ok with you? Could you give me some specifics why you feel that the women are being overly protected in a father like way, as you say? Please provide the exact quotes from the letter that brings you to this conclusion.

Now who protects the customers?

Well it appears you feel such protection for the women is wrong and if applied to the men would not that also be wrong? Do you have any basis for believing the men are not being protected?

That whole letter thing stinks and smells like severe control issues. Just my opinion.

  Would you pull the actual sentences from the letters that makes you feel there is severe controlling taking place. The actual quotes and why? I am sure you don’t want your opinions to be baseless so I looked forward to you answering my questions.

[Dave H]

It sounds like a class action lawsuit is in the making. I wonder if the client is entitled to a refund if the marriage fails after 5 years? 

[Jamie]

So Jamie, the translator you speak of is FindaLatina. The person who commited a crime is not then? Correct?

She can tell you who she is maybe one day she will.

J

amie... how can guys meet the girls on their own when you send out emails saying to only meet at your place with your translators? That would seem impossible to do after your email

We do not say this. The email says this: "For the sake of privacy all of our first introductions are set up at our office quarters. We do not hold meetings anywhere else, so you must never accept a first date that is not set in our office." We are referring to what we do not what others do and that if someone representing themselves as International Introductions tell you to meet somewhere else you know it is not really International Introductions.

[bcc_1_2]

Jamie, that email reads like the only place girls can meet guys is at your place. It doesn't state any exceptions for guys that purchase emails. Which means if you intended for guys who purchased emails to be able to meet girls... you made a mistake sending out that email without making it clear to women that they can meet guys who purchased their email without involving your agency. So at the very least you caused confusion in your email which led to the problems of a client which you did not refund.

[Jamie]

However, bcc, I agree with your other points, if he tells the ladies to only meet at his office and with his interpreters, that effectively prevents a 'bought the emails and contacted them and asked them to meet me' customer from meeting them, unless of course Jamie's going to provide office space and interpreter service at no additional charge (which I kind of doubt)

The same answer from above:
“For the sake of privacy all of our first introductions are set up at our office quarters. We do not hold meetings anywhere else, so you must never accept a first date that is not set in our office." We are referring to what we do not what others do and that if someone representing themselves as International Introductions tell you to meet somewhere else you know it is not really International Introductions.”

OR tell the ladies whose address he has sold "Expect an email from client Mr. Name." and he should do this when he sells the email address, not say "Oh, yeah, this guy's alright"

And that is exactly what we do and have been doing for 6 years.

[Jamie]

Jamie, that email reads like the only place girls can meet guys is at your place. It doesn't state any exceptions for guys that purchase emails. Which means if you intended for guys who purchased emails to be able to meet girls... you made a mistake sending out that email without making it clear to women that they can meet guys who purchased their email without involving your agency. So at the very least you caused confusion in your email which led to the problems of a client which you did not refund.

"For the sake of privacy all of our first introductions are set up at our office quarters." This is saying, "all of our first introductions" Unfortunately everything we sent out will create some confusion with some of the women. When we sent out Happy News Years emails we got girls responding there interested and would like to meet this man. We can't win.

I am done for the night tomorrow it’s the Steelers so I am done for the weekend.

[rpcv]

William what a coward you are. You sit back and make insults. How difficult that must be. And it’s such a surprise that you would insult an agency owner. You hate them all don’t you? Never saw you miss an opportunity to get a dig in at an agency owner. One of them must have really done you bad.

And you call me Mark yet you are the one running away, but of course not beyond stone throw reach.

Once again Jaime avoids answering the question with more cut and paste and insults. Very Clearly it was asked by William and I share repeat it:
Are you IMBRA compliant? Yes or no? very simple.

[rpcv]

We do not require anyone to use our translators. This is not stated anywhere on our website or anywhere on this thread by me.

Really Jaime? Explain this:

Let me start off by providing the English translation of the letter that was sent out on 9/2/08 which in my first post I wrongly stated was sent in November: We hope you don’t cooperate with thieves who might call you and ask you to meet a man you are not familiar with or use a random man’s translator who will only look after his interests and not yours.  We try to facilitate two way relationships and people who work here are responsible for helping you whenever you need us to.

If you get any type of E-mail or phone call we would appreciate it if you forward the message right away.

The only translators that should call you are:"

So you are claiming that clients can use their own translators? But yet the girls could not speak with Jay's translator based on the above statement issued by your office.  ???Hmm...

[michaelb]

And that is exactly what we do and have been doing for 6 years.

So, when you sell an email address, you tell the lady "Expect an email from client Mr. Name."............OK, as long as at the same time you don't tell her "But if if he asks to meet you in person, you must meet him in my office with my interpreter" .......... If you do the first and don't do the second, then I don't have a problem with you. (In fact, as long as you specifically don't do the later, I'm OK with it. Were it not for the letters you've mentioned sending the ladies, the first part wouldn't even be necessary) 

Of course there is still the IMBRA issue that somebody raised, but I'm not wearing a badge, so it isn't my job to enforce it. Besides, I think it's an unfair and unconstitutional law anyway.   

[rpcv]

That's the beauty of it rpcv.....if you can set your self up to look innocent, you appear to be in the clear.  Instead of simply being professional, screw'um.  It's more money in your pocket

You know I am sharing this with the folks at the law firm right now and they are laughing hysterically. Basically the damage has been done. It is similar to the McCain Obama campaign. Clearly McCain did things that damaged his credibility but refused to acknowledge it. Would he have been a decent President? Perhaps, but the majority of damage was self inflicted and Obama will be swore in soon. My point is that all this banter back and forth, wordsmithing, denial, rebutal, refusal to accept responsibility etc, has done more damage than the minimal amount of $ it would have cost to issue a refund to Jay.


 

[sean126]

Thanks guys....I'm glad I'm not crazy.

As I stated before Jamie....I'm done debating with you.  Since all most of us hear is "Blah, Blah, Blah.." now...I don't need to at this point.  Any professional who is honest, sincere and forthcoming doesn't need to split every little hair while giving mega answers that leave us in a daze.  Everyone but you is using logic here. 

You "claim" to be professional and strive to have a reputable and honest agency that strives for customer satisfaction.  Oh really.  Nice words....but actions or inaction speak much louder than words.  You've shown us what your all about now by your actions and lack of action. 

Any professional owner, I would think, would have weighed the pro's and con's of this situation.  Do you actually think your going to get the same amount of praise here any more?  Do you actually think I won't be just as adamant about my feelings about your agency when someone new asks?  Not to mention the other guys who see through your BS speaking up.  I think you didn't weigh...."hey, should I refund the guy's money for 3 emails and get even more praise and good reviews or get a life time of bad publicity on here?  Or what about Jay's repeat business?  Or word of mouth?"   Nope, I don't think you thought it through, as a professional owner, at all. 

Like rpcv said....you've done more to damage your credibility on here than I ever could.  I guess I was wrong about you.  Even now I gave you too much credit for being a shrewd, intelligent and calculating business man.  You was so worried about holding on to a few pennies that you gave up dollars.  I hope those 3 emails (so you claim) was worth it to you.  All it cost me was a little casual time. I like to talk, but it will end up costing you a lot more than the price of 3 e-mails.

People can see through your double talk, "technicalities" and just plain BS now.  Ta Dah!  Thanks dude.  You even helped prove my point about you with your mega explanations that really don't say anything of value or importance.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Explain on if you wish....but if I was you I'd let it go.  Your talking to the air now. The more damage control you think your doing, the more you come off sounding like a conniving dishonest agency owner.  Don't believe me, read the other comments smart guy. All this could have been avoided by being "professional" and handling this in private like I've stated all along.  You don't know when to quit while your ahead.   

Go ahead Junior....as in M. Anthony Jr., keeping on talking and we'll keep on laughing and shaking our heads.