Will International Introductions do the right thing or not?

[sean126]

(The following comments are in reference to Jay's trip review from this thread....http://www.planet-love.com/forum/index.php?topic=4055.msg44547;topicseen#msg44547)



Jay,

I'm a little confused.  Your saying the agency girls wouldn't meet you because the agency had told them not to see you without you using the agency's services?  The translator...that was through the agency's service, yes?

It would be a big help to all of us if you told us which agency does this.  Personally I think it's BS for the agency to sell you the email address's and then tell the women not to see you unless you go through the agency.

But good trip report. 

[jay5688]

Hey Sean

Thats exactly what happened in November with me. I did not use an agency or a translator that was with an agency for introductions. I purchased the addresses and made the contact myself , set up the meetings and got a good response the first few days then all no shows from the agency girls , so I had the translator start asking the girls what was up. Before I arrived they were all ready to meet and seemed excited to meet me but , in the middle of my trip the girls just stopped and gave some lame excuses. When we called a few back the girls told us about the Email they received to not meet anyone unless it was with an agency translator. The girls I did meet with the agency , when we called them later and ask them about it they said the same thing but decided to meet me anyway..

I will not make this a bad topic , I will not name the agency , I only included this to help someone that may have thoughts of doing the same thing. If I had not done my homework with cupid I really would have been without any options other than to use the services at an agency, because I was already in Barranquilla.

This may help some... a few of the agency girls had no clue that their addresses were being sold on the internet,, and one girl didn't know her photo's were on a website for anyone to see. We really discussed this topic with all the girls from the agency I had addresses for. I have not seen the email they received. I just have the info I was told by the girls , it said that imposter's from the agency were doing introductions and to not go or respond to anyone other than an agency email , so that pretty much shot me out of the water.  After this series of events started happening the more I thought about the more upset it had me , so I said to forget the agency girls and let it go.

I really do not want in a argument with someone over this , I just want guys to know what to expect if they try this method of introduction. I still am having a good time and it only hurt the girls in the agency from meeting a sincere nice person. I am just not used to doing business this way but , I guess thats what happens when you try to do things different. I have learned  many things since then about how things operate in Colombia.

I will be here a few more days and still say the people are great. I enjoy seeing the reaction I get from the girls on the street , working in the shops or even at the pier in Port of Colombia when they notice me, its fun when beautiful women say hello to you for no reason. LOL .. I hope this helps,, I will finish later and let you guys know how this new girl is doing so far its great ,, thanks

[bcc_1_2]

if you purchased contacts and then the agency turned around and blacklisted you because you used your own translator and stayed at the hotel you decided then you really should pass this on. Unless you were informed that you had to use these services (or it was on their website) before you purchased the contacts then you got screwed. But if they told you this up front, then maybe you made the mistake by getting involved with an agency who didn't work under the terms you wanted?

Either way you probably should clarify.

[sean126]

Jay,

Wow, that is unbelievable!!!  I'm not telling you what you should do, but you could really help the next person by saying which agency took advantage of you like this.  If the agency did not tell you in advance before you purchased the email address's that you wouldn't be able to be introduced to the girls unless you used that agency's translator, then that would be a load of crap and to me, it's kinda like stealing your money and that would infuriate me to no end.  I wouldn't consider it in any way trying to start a fight or anything like that....you'd just be stating the facts.  I honestly don't see how any agency owner, with any dignity or integrity, could justify selling email address's and not telling you before hand that you couldn't meet the girls unless you paid additional money and used their translator.  To me, that's dishonest in a HUGE way.  If they didn't tell you, then they knew what they were doing because they went to extraordinary lengths (by telling the girls not to meet you) to (basically) steal money from you.  For me, there is no excuse for that kind of behavior from an "honest" agency.

This isn't an "agency review" site per se, but people like you come here to get the "heads up" on honest and reputable agencies to use or dishonest and shady agencies to stay away from.  If you had no idea before you bought the emails and if the terms are not on their website then I wish you'd reconsider.  It would be very valuable to the other people.  I don't know how big or small of an impact the "trips reports" on here play in giving business to a particular agency...but every little bit helps the more honest agencies and the people thinking about using one.

I hope you reconsider in bringing to light this dishonest agency.   

[no comment]

There's a big difference between agencies & internet dating sites.  Internet dating sites are just software in cyberspace.  The Cupid sites are a format repeated for different markets (Colombia, Latin America, Brazil, Vietnam, etc.) and based in Australia.  Agencies must certainly have higher overhead costs... maintaining an office, photographing the women, phone calls, etc.  Agencies make their money with the entire package... translation, lodging, arrangements.   Their ideal client is old, overweight, unrealistic and unable to speak Spanish.  He'll strike out with his dates with agency ringers out of his league and come back to spend more money again.  The last thing an agency wants is to cut a deal with an attractive guy for a few bucks, then have the guy win over an attractive young woman who makes money for the agency. 

[sean126]

The story seems to be unfolding a little more, but I will respect Jay's privacy.  Hopefully the agency owner will read this and take it upon himself to do the right thing and make it right without him having to ask.   

I find it hard to believe that someone could sell e-mail addresses and then NOT know that some of the guys who bought them would actually travel to Barranquilla to meet the girls.  Telling the girls NOT to answer any other e-mail's but the agency's while said agency is selling e-mail addresses to guys corresponding with some of these girls is a little ridiculous and dishonest.

[Jamie]

The agency he is referring to is International Introductions. I will now provide the missing facts.

A letter was sent out to all the women in the agency in September 08 advising them that an ex-employee had stolen our database and the thieves were at times representing themselves as International Introductions, associates of International Introductions or the new owners of International Introductions. We indicated in the letter how you would know if you are dealing with us or the thieves. Another letter was sent out in November mentioning the theft and how the women were better served when represented by International Introductions translators. The original copy of that letter in Spanish is below. On the website we provide greater detail why potential male clients would be better served using our translators versus a freelance translator.

My question to you is why did you not call me after being misinformed and believing that we were trying to prevent women from meeting you? I would think that would be the first thing any unhappy customer would do in such a circumstance. You are dealing with an American that has plenty of information posted about him I am no stranger here and you don’t make a phone call because you’re in Colombia?

We knew you were in town because a couple of girls called us about you and we said you were a legitimate client and ok to meet, because our concern was with men who were not our clients accessing stolen information. We notified all your selections when you made the purchase who you were and to expect a letter from you. We could have easily have called any girl you thought was hindered by this email if you had let me known the situation. The idea that we would hinder any client from meeting women is absurd.

This may help some... a few of the agency girls had no clue that their addresses were being sold on the internet,

We don’t tell the women anything is being sold. Our service is free to them and I suspect many think it’s free for the guy. We tell all the women that they may receive emails directly from the men. They don’t need to know I sold them their email address for $5 or they paid $75 to meet you. Common sense dictates that your email is being sold on any dating site whether it is directly, through a membership or from advertisement revenues. It serves no valid purpose to state this nor is this information concealed from anyone. If a woman asked we would be glad to tell her such details. We only provide information on how they can benefit from our service and as of now that’s five pages of information.

and one girl didn't know her photo's were on a website for anyone to see.

Well did you ask her why do you think the agency was taking photos of you? Where did you think those photos were going to go? How was a guy from another country like me going to be able to meet or write you without being able to see such information and how did you think I was going to see it? Did the agency email you any information regarding your photos? Well guess what we do. We tell them how to view their photos on the website. Your translator would have known all this. Having “no clue” is sometimes being clueless.

I have learned  many things since then about how things operate in Colombia.

Let me tell you a little more about how things operate in Colombia. You said you felt you were being “undermine” when you were really being misinformed and choosing not to get more information via a quick phone call. The “good translator” you are using was fired by me for stealing business and lying. She posts here surreptitiously concealing details of who she is. She is promoted by a former client who I tried to help who after knowing of this still promotes her. Yet this same past client is the first to speak out on the ineptitudes and lack of moral character and values he sees or hears from gringos in Colombia.  How things operate in Colombia is through incompetence, theft, deception and undermining friend or foe.

Let me tell you how this cycle operates in the agency business, particularly where you have absentee owners. When Americans pay translators and employees on the side for information or services, when an English man pays others to steal from an agency or when Americans fish on the edge of tour events and use parasites it robs the ability of the agency to provide legitimate services. To make up for the deficiency the agency now starts playing a similar game by posting unavailable women and stating unattainable promises, which now effects legitimate customer who don’t get the services they expect. Partially because of this cycle you have almost no qualified legitimate agencies in Colombia. So you tell me who is really getting undermined by rewarding parties in this cycle. Sounds like everyone and that’s how Colombia operates.

By knowing my environment as I do I am able to take the steps to stay out of this fray. You might have met someone special from International Introductions because we take great effort to maintain and monitor a valid database of reachable, sincere women. When the women need advice we’re there. When ill behavior is exposed the woman is removed. We remove about 10 girls per week from the website and its expensive attracting suitable women to the agency. We know there is percentage of our clients that don’t appreciate the effort and standards we hold and to save a buck they’ll use outside services to meet the women from the agency. However, we have been fortunate to have a sufficient base of good loyal clients, a record for success and strong pulling power that allows us not to be concerned about this fringe. At the same time the need to improve our service and profit in our environment is constant and one such change in the works will make any talk of email addresses and correspondences moot.   

Nov. Letter:

Uno de los deberes que International Introductions tiene cuando estas usando nuestras traductoras es la de cuidar tu mejor interés. Tu eres tan importante para nosotros como lo son nuestros clientes masculinos que cancelan por los servicios y nosotros te proveeremos cualquier tipo de ayuda y consejo que tal vez necesites para ayudarte en el proceso de tomar una buena decisión. Esperamos seguir manteniendo una relación honesta contigo y beneficiosa para todos.

Si tú has usado nuestros servicios en el pasado sabes que International Introductions nunca te presenta a un caballero sin antes haberte enviado sus fotos y perfil. Nosotros queremos que tengas esta información antes de colocarte una cita, no hacemos reuniones a ciegas. La única información tuya que proveemos a un caballero que desee contactarte directamente, es tu correo electrónico y te notificamos via email antes de que el te escriba. NO proveemos tus números telefónicos ni dirección de tu casa.

Recientemente una antiguo empleada robo nuestra base de datos (teléfonos e emails) de las chicas inscritas y se la vendió a otra agencia. Así que es posible que te llame alguien que no trabaja para International Introductions para organizar una reunión con alguien que tú no conoces o te contacte por email desde otro email que no es alguno de los nuestros: o@international-introductions.com o a@international-introductions.com. Por privacidad todas nuestras primeras reuniones son organizadas en la oficina de International Introductions. Nosotros no hacemos reuniones en ninguna otra parte, así que tú nunca debes aceptar una cita que no sea en nuestra oficina. Si te citan en otro lugar, sabrás que la persona que te esta llamando no trabaja con nosotros.

Esperamos no colabores con los ladrones que tal vez te llamaran para conocer a un hombre del que tu no conoces nada o usar la traductora de un caballero quien solo va a proteger los intereses de el y no los tuyos. International Introductions se ha ganado una reputación profesional de 6 años en Barranquilla por ayudar a hombres y mujeres. Nosotros tratamos de facilitar relaciones mutuas y las personas que trabajan para mi son responsables de ayudarte cuando lo necesites.

Si recibes algún tipo de email o llamada te agradecemos que nos reenvíes el mensaje de inmediato.

Las únicas traductoras que deben llamarte son:

[bcc_1_2]

interesting. so is findalatina that terminated employee? hmmm who else would it be 

anyways it sounds like Jay was just in the dark. Seems pretty simple to get in contact with Jamie... find a computer or pick up phone. Why not do that before assuming you got screwed Jay?

[sean126]

Jamie,

I was the only one pressuring Jay to reveal who it was.  I can tell he is one of the quiet types who should, but doesn't at times, stand up for himself.  These types tend to let things slide.  Clearly, from his posts...he was not wanting a confrontation.  True, he should have called you.  I haven't talked to him very much about this and was actually awaiting a response from him about contacting you in private.  I did not know that it was your agency when I made my second response.  

However, I'd like to draw your attention to a statement you made about quickly removing less than honest women from your agency.  It's true, you do remove them...most of the time, but this is not always the case.  I can discuss this in a private pm with you if you wish.  

Not wanting to get into a he-said, she-said match with you but on another occasion I was in a situation where you denied something that I believed to be true that was told to me and a lady lost her job for telling me.

I've always been one of your biggest supporters on here and on the telephone reference calls.  Yes, I stutter, but I've always done my very best to give you rave reviews even to the point of being asked a couple of times on the telephone if I get kick backs from you.

My question is: are you planning on making this right now that you know you probably messed up his trip by your letter.  True, he played a part in it...but so did you.  You cannot, in all honesty, lay this entirely at his feet.  

I believe that he has already met someone, but I will let him speak for himself.  I'm only interested in if you plan on trying to make this right or not.  

[Jamie]

There's a big difference between agencies & internet dating sites.  Internet dating sites are just software in cyberspace.  The Cupid sites are a format repeated for different markets (Colombia, Latin America, Brazil, Vietnam, etc.) and based in Australia.  Agencies must certainly have higher overhead costs... maintaining an office, photographing the women, phone calls, etc.  Agencies make their money with the entire package... translation, lodging, arrangements. 

Up to here you are correct.

Their ideal client is old, overweight, unrealistic and unable to speak Spanish.  He'll strike out with his dates with agency ringers out of his league and come back to spend more money again.

Now your way off. No business wants unrealistic clients they are not going to be satisfied and they certainly won’t come back based on that dissatisfaction, but you say they will. I don’t often see the type of man you are describing. The clients I see weigh less and look better than the average American. Most successful men are better educated and understand the need to take care of themselves and that is the kind of guys we attract with few exceptions.
 
An agency ringer is someone who is not available so I am not sure how anyone can strike out with them when you are not going to meet them.

The last thing an agency wants is to cut a deal with an attractive guy for a few bucks, then have the guy win over an attractive young woman who makes money for the agency.

A business makes money and continues to grow based on satisfied clients. Clients for example that will come back to use services after they have met the girl, clients that will refer people and spread the word. They don’t make money or last long by sabotaging their clients as you suggest.

Attractive men normally have higher requirements than less attractive men and attractive women normally have higher requirements than less attractive women so the more attractive guy is not going to have any better odds of success than the less attractive guy. The idea that a business is going to make a price determination based on how the guy looks and his odds of landing a good looking woman is crazy. Maybe the deal breaker is not how the man’s look but wanting a discount bride.

[Jamie]

However, I'd like to draw your attention to a statement you made about quickly removing less than honest women from your agency.  It's true, you do remove them...most of the time, but this is not always the case.  I can discuss this in a private pm with you if you wish.

Thanks but I would rather keep this public I have nothing to hide on how we do business and our justifications for what we do. Who are you referring to? 

Not wanting to get into a he-said, she-said match with you but on another occasion I was in a situation where you denied something that I believed to be true that was told to me and a lady lost her job for telling me.

Please fill me in or remind me.

I've always been one of your biggest supporters on here and on the telephone reference calls.  Yes, I stutter, but I've always done my very best to give you rave reviews even to the point of being asked a couple of times on the telephone if I get kick backs from you.

Hey your suppose to keep quite about that. I told you it’s not called kickbacks, but a tax-free commission except when your Avatar is wearing the Speedo and then its called candy. I appreciate your support and I am thankful to the other clients here who have been more than gracious with their time and support

My question is: are you planning on making this right now that you know you probably messed up his trip by your letter.  True, he played a part in it...but so did you.  You cannot, in all honesty, lay this entirely at his feet. I believe that he has already met someone, but I will let him speak for himself.  I'm only interested in if you plan on trying to make this right or not.

I stand by the letters we sent. If a girl wants to misinterpret an email that’s out of our control. To make something right requires us doing something wrong. Specifically what did you see as being the wrong?

[sean126]

1.  Bertha.  After we broke up I informed your office that she did have a boyfriend in Bogota.  She told me she did and I relayed this to your office and later on I talked to Tiffany because I was surprised to see her still up on your site.  I believed she may have been taken off for a time, because I informed Bertha she was still up there... but was later informed some weeks later by Tiffany that she was back up.  Tiffany informed me that she was corresponding with a guy and this guy had bought her a plane ticket.  He sent her the money or the ticket (I forget which) so she could meet him in barranquilla because she now lived in Bogota and then proceeded to tell the guy after she had the ticket or money in hand that she couldn't make it because she had to work.  This, I know for a fact, was a lie.  She was still on your website after this due to the fact that you had a....soft spot in your heart for her, I would think.  She had a boyfriend when she made her last trip to see me.  I knew it, Tiffany knew it.  But yet, you continued to keep her on your website until I called her and told her she had to tell your office to take her off.  This was a known liar, but yet was not promptly yanked off the site, especially after taking that guy for about $200, which was the price of the plane ticket at that time.  I know for a fact she wasn't off your site shortly after this because I remember talking to Tiffany about "why does Jamie still have her on there after she screwed this guy?"  If Colombian women are basically all born, habitual liars as you (in a roundabout way) say....your saying this didn't raise a Godzilla size red flag for you?  Come on dude...don't tell me that.

2.  Now this is about 2004 I'm talking about, but girl #2 was I think related to Karina.  (I think I spelled your wife's name right.)  It may have been her sister (I'm not sure).  Hot looking girl, brunette, I'm thinking about 20, 21 or 22 perhaps...very professional looking.  Looks like she came from a nice family.   I'm not sure, but  my first trip or perhaps before my first trip I told Tiffany that she was one of the first girls I wrote and I didn't even get back a response.  Tiffany's response was..."yeah, I know.  She never responds to anyone".  That's pretty close to word for word.  Tiffany may have been exaggerating but the point is...Tiffany also said she didn't know why you had her on there.  My interpretation...ringer.  That's the only one I ever thought was one on your site, but I believed she was a ringer nonetheless.  Whether she was extremely picky, holding out for a millionaire or whatever...but if she had a habit of not responding to e-mails then, going by your standards you set...she should have been yanked because she was wasting people's time. 

3.  Based on what Jay told me, and I hope he forgives me, he informed you of a girl whose e-mail he bought and he said he wrote you saying that he was told by her that she was seeing someone, but she told you she wasn't and your response was...according to Jay, "maybe she wasn't interested."  and you wouldn't give him another address based on what she told you.  I don't know if he still has the email she sent him or if it's a lie...but if he does have an email of this girl telling him this then this would be another example of not pulling a girl from your site for not being forthcoming.   

You've yanked girls for less, like some girl saying she thought you ran a "white slave ring" to someone and in all fairness I believe you've yanked ALOT of them...but I personally know of two girls from my own experiences who should have been yanked for good valid reasons, but wasn't.  If Jay is telling the truth about his mishap, then that is at least 3 examples.   Again, out of fairness, I did have a letter I didn't get a response to (It may have even been girl #2) and you gave me another selection. 

Read into this what you will...but I know what I know.

I believe I know Tiffany pretty darn well over these years and I know she wouldn't lie to me and no one can tell me she would.

I remember you remarking to me, personally, that your tired of many of the girls not showing up for appointments.  If you have girls writing to someone and making plans to meet them and not showing...how many chances do they get?
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The he-said, she-said thing:  Well....my first trip down in 2004 I think.  Maybe 2005.  I forget.  It was in May.  Tiffany had been translating telephone calls for me for mainly Katey and one or two other girls. Tiffany and I became friends.  Wrote you and said I wanted Tiffany to be my translator, you said no problem.  Got there and Tiffany had something to do the first day or two I was there and I had some blond named Maria...Bethany...or something, I forget.  She was from Miami.  Nice girl.  Then I had Tiffany for a day I think, maybe not, then I had that skinny girl with braces.  I forget her name.  She was nice too.  I told her that it wasn't anything personal, but I wanted Tiffany when she became available.  This skinny girl with braces told me that she over heard you saying that you didn't want Tiffany with me.  This struck me as odd and she didn't know why you said it, but I asked you about it and you denied it and then the next day....I had Tiffany.  Told Tiffany about it and she believed that was something you would say and then Tiffany told me you fired the girl. You told me later on that you fired the girl because you couldn't have your staff telling clients stuff like that.  Tiffany and I talked alot, became good friends and I could hypothesize about why you'd say it, but I won't.  The point is...from the few times I've been around you I believe the girl.  What reason would she have for telling me that?  I can't think of one.  I knew Tiffany was one of, if not the best, worker you had...maybe you didn't want her out of the office and didn't want to tell me.  I don't know, don't care.

I said all that to say this....I believe you say things, not knowing others will find out and then you change the story a little bit.  Not calling you a liar, but I believe you try to save face the wrong way sometimes.  That's just my opinion.  I don't have to know people all that well to figure some people out in a hurry. 
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What I see was wrong???....Well, for starters you can translate that "letter" in English.  My wife is in Barranquilla right now and will be back Monday night...but from what I gather it goes something like this and you can translate it for us if I'm wayyyy off base here:

We here at I.I. (International Introductions) have your best interest at heart when using our translators, as well as our male clients.  Our translators will give you any aid you need and will assist you in making good decisions.  We hope to maintain an honest relationship with you thats beneficial to all.

If you've used our services in the past you know that I.I. never introduces you to a gentleman without sending their profile and pictures.  We want you to have this information before an appointment.  Do not go on blind meetings. The only information we provide the gentlemen who want to meet you directly is your email and we will notify you via email before you should write back.  Do NOT provide your home number or your home address.

Recently a former employee stole the numbers and emails of our girls who are registered from our database and sold it to another agency.  You may get a call from someone who does not work with I.I. to organize a meeting with someone you do not know or you may get an email from someone that is not one of our emails @international-introductions.com. For everyone's privacy all first meetings are organized at our offices of International Introductions.  We do not make meetings else where and you should never accept a meeting that is not in our office.  If it is mentioned to meet else where then you know the person does not work with us.

We hope you do not collaborate with the thieves who might call you to meet a man you do not know....heres a good part that can't POSSIBLY cause great confusion with these girls, Jamie... or use a translator of a gentleman who is only protecting his interests and not yours. Introductions International has earned a reputation for 6 years in Barranquilla to help men and women. We try to facilitate mutual relations and the people who work for me are responsible for help when you need it.

If you receive any email or call tell us or forward the message immediately.

The only translators to call you are:
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And then your message ends.  I'm curious to read a more accurate translation..but I'm betting this is darn close to the original meaning.  What did you do wrong?  Are you kidding me Jamie?  You basically told these girls NOT to use any other translator but yours and NOT to meet anyone unless it's set up by you.  If I'm wrong in the interpretation of this letter then please translate it for us.  My wife can translate it when she gets home also...just to make sure.  I'm surprised as thorough as you usually are that you didn't have the english version posted on here.  I think I can see why now. 

Yes, you screwed this guy and screwed him royally.  Yes, he should have called....but you knowing he was there, like you admitted...I'd say you knew exactly what you was doing.  "Use my translator or don't meet any of my women because I'm going to scare the hell out of them" is basically the jest of it.  That's basically what I read in this letter.  I understand you wanting to protect your business.  I truly can...but this guy bought the emails from YOU, not his translator or some other company and you made it extremely difficult for him to meet these women.  I'm talking about YOUR part Jamie, not his part. 

The right thing to do would be to give him his money back for all of the women who canceled on him. If all of the women he later contacted again are saying basically the same thing, then I'm more apt to believe something other than..."If a girl wants to misinterpret our email it's out of our control."  That's Bull [snip].  You played more of a direct part than you led on...or trying to make us believe. 

Now it's time to live up to the hype you've put on your website and some of the claims you've made here and it's time to deserve some of that praise many, many, many of us have given you to others on your behalf.  You screwed this guy (and perhaps others) as much as you could with this letter because he didn't use your translator and then try to claim innocence.  That's just not happening here.  I'm not giving you an ultimatum, I'm hoping for the guy I've been bragging about to do the right thing here.  Otherwise you can immediately remove my name from your reference list and my opinion of you will have drastically changed and as a former client and fellow poster it will be adamantly conveyed to anyone else who asks about your agency on this website in my usual enthusiastic way.  I will not be able, in good conscience, to continue to give you a good review if you refuse to correct the royal screwing you gave this guy.  I'm extremely surprised by your omission of any guilt.

I'm going out on a limb here...and I'll take a wild guess that one of your first responses will be something to the affect of..."Oh, but I'm protecting the women in my agency."  Which is all fine and dandy...but in this specific, particular situation that would be a bunch of B.S.
 
Feel free to give a more accurate English translation (not what you meant) of that letter if my English translation distorts what the actual letter says.   
   

Out of respect for you I would have much rather have relayed this in a private pm...but you asked.  I wasn't ranting here...it just took more than a few words to fully answer the questions you asked me so there would be no misunderstanding about what I meant. 

I actually feel terrible for this guy.  He comes on here, see's the reviews and praises and then you pull some underhanded B.S. like this and say..."what did I do wrong?"

 
 
   

[Kiltboy1]

 


NOT !!!!!!!!!!

[william3rd]

Sure is nice that the girls can rely on DAD to protect them down there at the agency. Now who protects the customers?

That whole letter thing stinks and smells like severe control issues.

Just my opinion.

[rpcv]

Jay, If the agency did not tell you in advance before you purchased the email address's that you wouldn't be able to be introduced to the girls unless you used that agency's translator, then that would be a load of crap and to me, it's kinda like stealing your money and that would infuriate me to no end.

All I can say is wow, this is very disturbing to hear. If a person pays for an initial contact and then cannot meet a lady without using the agency translator, that sounds lame to me. I do not know of another agency in Colombia (and I know of atleast 5) that have this policy.  Will the next requirement be to eat at "authorized" restaurants?

Jay: I hope you aren't discouraged by all of this and make another trip.

[Kiltboy1]

Translator Price
$100 a day---
more the 25% of the average Colombians monthly Salary. I might apply for the job

[sean126]

In all fairness to International Introductions...the translators I've had are GOOD.  I don't know about $100 a day good, but everything is going up in price in the world.

I'm actually shocked.  Jamie usually does right by his male clients.  Then I got to thinking...It's easy to do the right thing when it doesn't cost you any money, like yank a girl off your site or reschedule an appointment.  It's a lot harder to do the right thing when you actually have to return money.  That is when you see who's actually living up to all the hype or find it is was all just....hype.  The letter seems to jive with what Jay was originally saying and it confirms what I initially thought.  We all have momentary crazy episodes.  Hopefully Jamie will snap out of it and return this guy's money.  Word of mouth is everything....and there will definitely be about $200 worth of word of mouth over this. I don't know if it's worth it to him or not.  this site appears to throw business his way each time someone asks about Barranquilla though.  Hopefully that will continue when this is all over.

He's always bragging about how much he values his male clients.  Time to see just how much.  Jay has a very legitimate complaint, one that appears to be 99% of Jamie's doing.  I believe Jay has met someone, so free introductions would be useless to him and I wouldn't blame him for not using his agency any more...so to me, I can see only one solution.

[bcc_1_2]

Wow Sean broke his list out. Good stuff. I enjoyed reading point number two. If one of the owners wife's family members was listed on the agency and deciding against meeting almost all the guys I wouldn't call that a ringer. It is probably just preferential treatment for a close family member. And I don't think that's a bad thing. When the girl gets serious she'll probably meet more guys, but you've got to do right by family.  Moral of the story is if you aren't happy with a service speak up about it. If it was a 50/50 screw up (Jamie could have remedied the situation if notified) then I'd say refund half the money. Alls well that ends well. Sounds like Jay found a chica anyways. I'm not surprised that letter confused the girls though. Definiately a complicated situation. However I see it as a business issue and not a Jamie controlling girls issue. Sounds like Jamie had a parasite sucking business from him (an employee he terminated) The value I see in Jamie's business is the large amount of available women he is assembled and has a history of deliverying upon. He has a big time and money investment in assembling this "roster" so you kinda gotta understand the lengths he'd go to when protecting that competitive advantage.

[sean126]

absolutely 100% correct.  But I see this particular specific situation as something different.  Protecting his investment but not telling the guys upfront and point blank..."you can buy service A, but you will also need to buy service B and if you don't, then I'll make sure that service A doesn't work for you"  are two different things.

I'd send out a letter to if a former employee screwed me over, warning them that another agency has their info...but what Jamie said in his letter gave NO mention what so ever and no reassurance that it's perfectly alright to meet other men that have previously contacted them.  At least not to the extent that he went to scare the ladies. If Jamie had of went to the lengths of reassuring these girls of that fact just as much as he did about scaring them then all the girls would not have said the same thing that Jay said they said.  I wouldn't be surprised if these girls thought they HAD to use only Jamie's translator, even if he didn't specifically say it.

I understand and see your point and it's a good one, mine is different though.  I'm talking about Jamie purposely setting these guys up to use ONLY his translators and office to meet women, even after and continuing to sell e-mail addresses and not coming out and clearly making this point on his website.  To me, he's stealing this guy's money.  If he wants to tell these guys they MUST use his translators and his office for meeting girls REGARDLESS of what service the guy buys then he needs to clearly state this on his website, but he doesn't.  He merely gives reasons why someone should use his translators.  There is too much room for misinterpretation and error in Jamie's letter and it's all in Jamie's favor.  As smart as Jamie is...He knows exactly what he is and was doing. You can believe that.  I hate to say it, but I think this is just fancy calculated thievery.   

There is another part of this story...but it's not mine to tell and I won't.  I'm just highly disappointed in him right now. 

I do not see this as a 50/50 screw up.  I see this as a fancy "set up".  And if a laid back guy doesn't want confrontation or to say anything, then Jamie comes out ahead. The odds are in his favor.  All he has to do is clearly state on his website..."guy's, either use MY translation or assistant services or meet NONE of the ladies on my website regardless if you only buy their e-mail addresses. You can not use your own translator and you cannot make your own appointments with just their email address." Then a client could make an informed decision before handing over money to Jamie.  Sometimes...you don't know what questions to ask if your new at this and it's all in his favor...after the money has exchanged hands. 

   

[bcc_1_2]

Interesting point Sean. I just visited the International Introductions website. It says right on there that if you purchase individual introductions that you must also use their lodging. However when you purchase emails it does not say you have to use any of their other services. If the girls think they must only meet up with one of Jamie's translators or at a specific location... then those guys buying only addresses are going to have trouble meeting the women. Very interesting.

According to his website I could buy 45 of the girls email addresses for like $225 bucks. Then I use my wingman's spanish skills to set up meetings with them while I'm in town at my hotel's bar/restuarant. What a bargain if possible.

[sean126]

LOLOLOLOLOL.....it would be a bargin, if possible. 

[no comment]

Jamie,
I should have used the qualifier "some," as in "some agencies....... behave this way."  At the time of the post, Latin-Wife had not been identified.  I have received promotional videos or video discs from more than one agency and they do market to older men.  These men are more likely to have the means to pay those fees that could run in to the 1000's. The impression created by these promotional materials is that older men can get women 30 years younger or more, and that appearance on the man's part is not so much a concern.  I think that such clients are unrealistic.  When an agency leaves a woman's picture & profile up when she's not available, and clients have to join and pay fees to discover this, she is used as a ringer.

A business makes money and continues to grow based on satisfied clients. Clients for example that will come back to use services after they have met the girl, clients that will refer people and spread the word.

That point of view is to your credit.  I would do business with Latin-Wife.  (As long as I can use my own accommodations and forego the translation service.)

[Maria]

bcc_1_2, If I were you I would watch my words and not expose and call people names without hearing both sides of the story. I have no idea and really don't care if you have been here or used I.I. but you sure do not know me. You bluntly come out and name me  as the ¨employee he terminated¨ after all the a strong accusations posted by Jamie.

I see no names on his accusations, come on stealing are very strong words, where are the police records if this really happened? It is obvious he wrote a letter to all the girls on his site to warn them, but he leaves out names so anyone can fall into the category of being a thief. And that kind ruins it for any guy even if they use Mother Teresa to translate for them. And that is the whole point. But No one is warning the guy about being blacklisted for not using his room and translation services. As you have all read.  Now whose interests is he really caring for??


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[jay5688]

All right guys and girls for that matter,

I have had about all I can stand with the whole Jamie thing , I did use his service . I appreciate the poster's comments good and bad. Its what keeps people honest on this board and makes the information so valuable to the guys who are still looking in Columbia.

I will start with Jamie's comments about me :

1 you ask me why I did not call you .. which would be no problem that part is correct. Heck for that matter you knew so much about me and where I was staying and what I was doing you could have contacted me and told me about the email you just happened to send for the second time in the middle of my trip. LOL . since you are so customer related .  I have had two other not so pleasent conversations with you in the email. The attitude you portrayed when I questioned you about the girls and addresses was not very good , both times . It was, thats tough and thats business sorry. So based on this I chose not to ruin the time I was having and to not waste the valuable time I had left in Colombia to pursue a few bucks.
I have even discussed using your agency"s full service with no lodging and you pretty much slammed me on this. Which happened on this board also . I ask you would you, have called yourself with a history like this knowing you only had so much time in Barranquilla . You could have easily fixed the other two issues we had but, you did not, so your track record with me has been less than desireable.

2 Ok since you stared throwing around opinions I have one. IMOP I think the only clients you have, in your eyes is the guys who spend the maximum you charge for your full service and never question you.

3 About the girls Common sense dictates nothing, apparently when dealing with you on any issue, its like dealing with a lawyer or politician .. when you say the girls need to have common sense WOW. You are one of the best I have seen at clouding the only problem I had. I am not concerned how you run your business and if you do not disclose to these girls your intentions of selling their information or showing their photos to the world thats between you and them. I just honestly thought it was funny, they had no idea it was happening.

4 Now, I am so misinformed, thats another way to take away my reputation as being a competant honest poster and shift things to your corner <hence more clouding > I  know when in any situation, you receive the same information from 3 different people at different times, it makes a good case in my mind, sure some facts may not be exactly the same in your lawyer terms but , I was there in the middle of this and am not providing second hand information. So no more clouding the issues with telling us how hard it is to run a business and how tough things are for you.
Any business I have been involved with including my current business is tough, so you will not gain sympathy from me on these problems you have in your business. I am sure any poster we have that has run or is running a business can fill page after page of trouble and problems.

5 If you had a theft and you know this person why not send them to jail. I know thats what would happen if I tried to steal something in a store in Colombia or anywhere for that matter. I know in "business" thats what we do. Also why are you using the same blanket effect, you used in your email to the women, tell us and everyone the persons name and put them in jail. Instead of naming this person you want everyone to believe things and you never come out and say them. More lawyer/politician wording so tell us.

So tell when dealing with you, do we have use the common sense the girls are supposed to use or should we call our lawyer to interpret all the wording you are using. I really think you do not like anyone in Barranquilla meeting girls without your permission and your hand in their pocket. IMOP. But thats my common sense talking , wait let me call my lawyer to see how to respond to your clouding all the many issues (1) The email you stand behind is not good for anyone who purchased addresses from you and hope to meet the women on your site without your agency being involved . Based on this the only service anyone could get from you while in BQ would be if they are in your lodging.

[Kiltboy1]

You have to use his accommodations to use his service. Jamie has stated that to no end . It is his business and he can do as he pleases, but if there is anybody out that that has the desire and means to open a competing agency in Barranquilla and run it with the client in mind, Jamie would be looking at some help from the Bailout to pay for his BEACH HOUSE .  : I find this really in bad taste , but he goes after guys that are clueless most of the time. I thought he was an ok guy until he made people use his accommodations, What a joke , but he is the only guy in Town, so he gets to make the rules,  A PITTY