Fathertime strikes fools gold or what?

[Fuzzyone]

There is a better solution than moderating and banning...the burden falls on the posters themselves.  It's called maturity, common sense, following the rules...ect.

   Sometimes a banning happens as long as it does not become common practice I don't really care. Sometimes I get carried away and have got moderated but I brought it on myself and not others.

[Fuzzyone]

Thanks zackaroni! 

I was just stirring the pot a bit since I am not happy with the direction the moderators are proposing to send this board in! 

By the way,  Does anybody know why good old Paps is being moderated again?  He was really posting very good and pertinent information lately! Helping newbies too?  What did he post that was so bad?

Fathertime!

  F.T.

   I kinda liked the way the board was heading since this is a forum to help men find wife's in other countries. I know there is several forums out there that you can just post until your heart is content about the latest conquest some of these guys have had in S.A.

[fathertime]

  F.T.

   I kinda liked the way the board was heading since this is a forum to help men find wife's in other countries. I know there is several forums out there that you can just post until your heart is content about the latest conquest some of these guys have had in S.A.

1.  Helping  is what the board is about. That is certain.
2.  People help in different ways, different language, different styles, different people react better with different styles
3.  My feeling is that people are only going to be allowed to post if they post the way the forum moderators have decided is the 'proper way' to post.  
4. I enjoy occasionally making crude references and teasing a bit when it is appropriate TO ME. I forsee a very sterile board in the future but if that is what THE MEMBERS want then all is good...I bet that is not what the members want.
5.  Your point about "Conquests" is irrelevant to me, I don't care if people post a bit about sexual escapades,  so long as it somehow pertains to the ultimate goal of finding a wife, and the process of doing so.  Why exclude that aspect of the process?
6. I am sure there is a balance between the WLC board and what is being proposed as to the future of this board. 
7.You crack me up because you are one of the most renowned flamers of all time here and on the other board!
8.  No hard feelings though stan, someday perhaps we will be 'belly up to the bar' together telling stories about your buddy who has been banned!


Fathertime!  

[sean126]

for the sake of peace....let's just call him Fuzzyone, pretty pretty please.

[Fuzzyone]

1.  Helping  is what the board is about. That is certain.
2.  People help in different ways, different language, different styles, different people react better with different styles
3.  My feeling is that people are only going to be allowed to post if they post the way the forum moderators have decided is the 'proper way' to post.  
4. I enjoy occasionally making crude references and teasing a bit when it is appropriate TO ME. I forsee a very sterile board in the future but if that is what THE MEMBERS want then all is good...I bet that is not what the members want.
5.  Your point about "Conquests" is irrelevant to me, I don't care if people post a bit about sexual escapades,  so long as it somehow pertains to the ultimate goal of finding a wife, and the process of doing so.  Why exclude that aspect of the process?
6. I am sure there is a balance between the WLC board and what is being proposed as to the future of this board. 
7.You crack me up because you are one of the most renowned flamers of all time here and on the other board!
8.  No hard feelings though stan, someday perhaps we will be 'belly up to the bar' together telling stories about your buddy who has been banned!


Fathertime!  

  I know it is hard for you not having papi around but I don't have a problem with trying to be a adult if you do not if you get my drift. Yes I was a big flamer here but also if you go back and read the old post, I also posted a lot of info for the new guys here, including what to look for and not look for. I also posted about my ex and what mistakes I made with her, what things I overlooked that I should have paid attention to that led to the biggest mistake I have made in years.

[Alabamaboy!]

What is the name of the "other board" you guys keep referring to?  I would like to check it out and compare what they have to offer.

[singlefather no more]

What is the name of the "other board" you guys keep referring to?  I would like to check it out and compare what they have to offer.

That is gone and closed down..


singlefather

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[Calipro]

I am sorry Utopiacowboy, but that is not been my experience. I have talked to women from all walks of life there...except for the ultra rich.  And with all of them, they have been saying the same story.....in general.......Colombian men are not good husbands.    Remember...I am not saying this...they are.  And they are not all agency women.  Many are relatives and friends of my girl.  Many are girls I have talked to in the stores, at parties, and on places like Amigos.com.

And who is talking about Colombians hooking up with pudgy, balding Gringos?  I am talking about that if a woman has the option of hooking up with a Gringo who is more or less equal in looks to a Colombian guy, she will almost always choose the Gringo.  I feel it is at least partly due to our good reputation as husbands as indicated on Jamie's website and from what I hear from the women themselves.

Your experiences may vary. 

Especially since it is true that I have mostly been talking to women from the lower upper class and down.  I have not talked to anyone who I would consider higher than the "lower upper class".

But I will say that all the University Master's degree level aunts of my girl (4 of them)...who range in age from mid 20's to early 40's are asking if I know any Gringos who may be interested in a relationship.  And a couple of them even have Colombian boyfriends who are non-commital, flirtatous, etc.  So take that for what it is worth.

I just want to give some additional information to the folks out there from what you have experienced.

It has been my experiance that outside of marriage agencies most colombianas would prefer to marry a colombiano however a surprising number are still open to the idea of marrying a gringo.

And it has been my overwhelming vast experiance that Colombianos will tell you what they think you want to hear even if god forbid they have to lie. hehehe !!!!

[soltero]

What is the name of the "other board" you guys keep referring to?  I would like to check it out and compare what they have to offer.

That board was made up of posters from PL, so it was the same folks that you have here with much more leeway in regards to what can be said and discussed. Since I don't need anyone to monitor me and I do have what I like to think of as common decency and sense, I don't see a problem with moderation nor do I have a childish need to rebel against authority. I manage me regardless of who else may be set up to do so. Grown folks should be able to police themselves and treat others with respect regardless of whether or not they are being ridden to follow certain rules. Decency and respect for one another should keep most in line without any supervision, but you will always have those on a Latin board that are going to be off the chain. Latinas attract a completely different breed of men than those that go for the ultra refined Asians and the calculating, analytical Russians. Anyone with any experience amongst the forums should be able to see that the Latin boards are always the rowdiest. Different strokes for different folks, I guess...there is only so much reigning in you can do before you just have to accept the inherent differences in the types of people that choose to search in the different parts of the world.  

Now, anyone who doesn't feel comfortable posting here on PL I personally view as a waste of a perfectly good pair. The other board isn't closed, we just came back over here to post after getting hit by some viruses a few months ago. It got so bad that there wasn't any way that anyone was going to risk going there and messing up their machine. It is clear now, and all it would take to get it back going is for folks to go back over there and post. Like I said, it was made up mostly of guys that post here already and the others posted here but got banned or just left. It was more of a keeping in touch type of forum than one dedicated to helping others. In my opinion, PL was always the place to help out the noobs and I wouldn't invite any of them over there anyway. It was more of a place where experienced guys could say whatever they wanted to say without having to worry about censorship or decorum. Basically, it WAS a locker room where you could speak freely about whatever you may have been interested in. If you had any problem with holding your own in a highly testosterone fueled environment, then you would need to hike up your skirt and shimmy on out the door before you got someone's foot wedged in the crack of your panties.

I never saw the boards as being in competition as they catered to two very distinct and separate groups of people. I completely respect and support where Dan and company wold like to take this board, and as a helpful place to congregate without fear of ridicule or just being made to feel simple because you are new and don't know much, or if you have a subdued personality and cringe when things get rowdy, then of course, there needs to be a place where you can feel safe and have meaningful conversations about things that truly matter. On the other hand, if you have been in this for years and don't have much more to learn and just want to hang out with guys you consider to be your peers and shoot the shyt from time to time, then it's nice to have a place like that also. It wouldn't be for everyone nor would it try to be.

As I said before, the guys that go for Latinas are a completely different breed than those that go for Asians and Russians. Much more rowdy and flamboyant just like the women. In ANY group you are going to have those that push the envelope, but I say that that is going to happen even more in a group such as this.

[catz]

I like Papi's posts, irreverent though some of it may be sometimes. It's a shame he's gone.    Can he apologize and get back on, with close supervision?

Isn't there a better solution and better compromise than moderating people and then banning them altogether?

He never did (nor do I expect he ever would) apologize. I made the call to unban him and allow him to come back after his last banning. He started up exactly as he ended before. My mistake for thinking that he would at least attempt to behave.

Why not just remove or redact any offending or insulting parts or portions, without notice or warning? People will just stop any allegedly offending language on their own, if they see it simply disappear from their posts on a regular basis.

This can apply to everybody's posts which might even arguably be personally insulting or offending to anyone else ("insulting" in the judgment of moderator).

That way, we get everyone's good opinions and information only, and only on all topics relevant to this discussion board, and without the bull.

Would you be willing to give up all your free time to do that? Perhaps even your paying job? That is what it would take to monitor a forum 24/7. Say someone did just that. What would they get in return? Lots of posts complaining that their post was removed and wanting to argue the point that their post wasn't as bad as a post that was not removed and so on, and so on, and so on.

Much better for everyone involved for adults to act like adults and get beyond the childish insult fest behavior that has a tendency to snowball into a destructive force.

Just about any type of topic is welcome here. What is not welcome is the insults, pettiness, and "bang her until you find another" garbage that is only suited for a high school locker room.

{edit: Went to post this and saw the new post had been added message - Well said Soltero!}

[sean126]

Another reason why Soltero is known as "The Great One".

[Alabamaboy!]

I was asking about the other site because even though guys like Papi or whoever seem a little off the wall sometimes, they do bring a different flavor to the mix.  And they have had tons of experience in Colombia...not only with the women, but with restaurants, issues regarding money, hotels, many things. And if they are not here anymore, maybe they could be found "there" if needed.

[sean126]

Machin,

some things are simply not mentioned.  Only vague references. 

I'd definitely re-read Soltero's post again.

[Alabamaboy!]

I cannot doubt what you are saying Calipro...since you appear to have a lot of experience.  But I will say I have been approached by so many women there....many of them educated with decent lifestyle, car, etc. who are asking me if I have any Gringo friends to introduce them to. Possibly they are the more aggressive types, but at the same time there are quite a few that never even go as far to talk to me in the first place....who prefer Colombianos.

Good point.

[CarolinaJ]

Another reason why Soltero is known as "The Great One".

Nice post Soltero! Ditto

[singlefather no more]

Very well said and great post Soltero..

singlefather

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[P Daddy]

1.  Helping  is what the board is about. That is certain.
2.  People help in different ways, different language, different styles, different people react better with different styles
3.  My feeling is that people are only going to be allowed to post if they post the way the forum moderators have decided is the 'proper way' to post.  
4. I enjoy occasionally making crude references and teasing a bit when it is appropriate TO ME. I forsee a very sterile board in the future but if that is what THE MEMBERS want then all is good...I bet that is not what the members want.
5.  Your point about "Conquests" is irrelevant to me, I don't care if people post a bit about sexual escapades,  so long as it somehow pertains to the ultimate goal of finding a wife, and the process of doing so.  Why exclude that aspect of the process?
6. I am sure there is a balance between the WLC board and what is being proposed as to the future of this board. 
7.You crack me up because you are one of the most renowned flamers of all time here and on the other board!
8.  No hard feelings though stan, someday perhaps we will be 'belly up to the bar' together telling stories about your buddy who has been banned!


Fathertime!  

Fathertime, your list brings to mind a certain poster here that I have had a few exchanges with, especially item number 7 regarding flamers, but more particularly items 1 & 2 regarding helping people.

Now this poster is "supposedly" a "respected" member here on this board (why I don't know)...he is an immigration attorney from So Cal.  He has attacked me recently, unprovoked, even one time calling me a pedophile, without any admonishment from the moderators of this forum.  Although the man has never set foot in latin america, the majority of his posts are in the latin forum. But more interestingly, the majority of his posts are NOT even in the section of his "so-called" area of expertise, that is "Immigration and VISAS", of which his posts there make up 13.72% of his total posts on the board.  Now, you would think that a man who is an immigration attorney would have more posts than that, especially when it comes to helping members of this forum (your items 1 & 2 Fathertime on your list).  But here is the kicker when it comes to this particular poster...10.62% of his posts are in the Asian Flame Room, and 4.22% are in the Latin Flame Room, which means 14.84% of his posts are catagorized flames (and this doesn't include flames outside the flame room) as compared to 13.72% helping with visa problems....The bottom line, this poster spends the majority of the time flaming other posters, instead of helping other posters in his area of legal expertise.

Has this poster ever been banned??  put on moderated status??  placed on mute??   Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
Has he ever had the mods or owner of this forum call him out in a condescending manner to pull him back in line??

Now, I'm not a huge Papi fan, but then again I have nothing against him either...but I do feel that there are some on this board, especially some from the Asian board, who come over to the Latin board, and get away with alot of non-sense.  

No sour grapes here guys, just some food for thought for the mods IF THEY REALLY WANT TO MAKE THIS A BETTER FORUM....

[sean126]

Pdaddy,

I understand completely.  Yes, I have pm'd him a time or two in the past.  He's never given us any flack over being asked to tone it down or stop.  I think...just like almost every other poster on here, he finds humor in things and gives a jab here and there.  He's definitely not the only one who does it without being publicly being asked to stop.  No, he's never been moderated, banned or muted.  He never pushes us that far when we have asked him to stop.  Others, on the other hand, won't let it go when we ask, which is a different matter. 

I've let you go at times, Papi, daytrader and Fathertime, just to name a few.  FT has given his fair share of jabs and I don't recall seeing him banned, moderated or muted.  He may have been, but I don't recall it.  He's always complied when asked to stop, as far as I can remember.

I know you may feel singled out at times...but you won't let it go at times either when we've asked nicely and that makes a difference.

We try our best not to publicly flog people, we'd prefer to pm or give hints in the open forum.

I recently asked him in my own special way in the open forum to knock it off.  He did.  I see no reason to mute, moderate or ban if someone immediately stops and drops the issue.

[P Daddy]

Pdaddy,

I understand completely.  Yes, I have pm'd him a time or two in the past.  He's never given us any flack over being asked to tone it down or stop.  I think...just like almost every other poster on here, he finds humor in things and gives a jab here and there.  He's definitely not the only one who does it without being publicly being asked to stop.  No, he's never been moderated, banned or muted.  He never pushes us that far when we have asked him to stop.  Others, on the other hand, won't let it go when we ask, which is a different matter. 

I've let you go at times, Papi, daytrader and Fathertime, just to name a few.  FT has given his fair share of jabs and I don't recall seeing him banned, moderated or muted.  He may have been, but I don't recall it.  He's always complied when asked to stop, as far as I can remember.

I know you may feel singled out at times...but you won't let it go at times either when we've asked nicely and that makes a difference.

We try our best not to publicly flog people, we'd prefer to pm or give hints in the open forum.

I recently asked him in my own special way in the open forum to knock it off.  He did.  I see no reason to mute, moderate or ban if someone immediately stops and drops the issue.

I respect your response and understand where you're coming from...again, just a little input since we are on the topic of how to make this forum better...maybe the aforementioned poster can improve some of his percentages with a little help from his friends.   

[singlefather no more]

Sean,

I would like to make a request that you change your pic to your wife's pic or another one of you.. This photoshop pic is to funny.  , I nearly spilled my juice on my keyboard.

singlefather

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[Researcher]

In ANY group you are going to have those that push the envelope, but I say that that is going to happen even more in a group such as this.

     I agree Soltero, all the more reason for the Mods to draw some lines.There are those that will push the envelope just to find where the boundaries are. Sometimes this board reminds me of the many "bull sessions" I took part in when I was at an agency.(Between citas, of course).And while some of us may enjoy the "atmosphere" here there is one thing that I have noticed:Women rarely post here. IMO, if we members toned it down a bit and stuck to posting topics that were closer to the purpose (or intended purpose) of those that created it, we might get other perspectives(like from Colombianas) that we all could benefit from.

      Other than that, I enjoy this board. Its nostalgic and entertaining to me.Just thought I would throw that perspective out there.

      Researcher

[Fuzzyone]

     I agree Soltero, all the more reason for the Mods to draw some lines.There are those that will push the envelope just to find where the boundaries are. Sometimes this board reminds me of the many "bull sessions" I took part in when I was at an agency.(Between citas, of course).And while some of us may enjoy the "atmosphere" here there is one thing that I have noticed:Women rarely post here. IMO, if we members toned it down a bit and stuck to posting topics that were closer to the purpose (or intended purpose) of those that created it, we might get other perspectives(like from Colombianas) that we all could benefit from.

      Other than that, I enjoy this board. Its nostalgic and entertaining to me.Just thought I would throw that perspective out there.

      Researcher

   We really have not ever had more than a couple of woman posting here at anyone time. I feel it is because of the subject matter, men trying to find a foreign wife. I tried at one point to get some of my wife's friends to post here but there was very little if non interested!

[Researcher]

    Hey Fuzzyone,
           That's interesting....

     Sean,
             Have you ever received any PM's from women that wanted to post? Just curious.
       

       Researcher

[sean126]

Women.  No. 

[Fuzzyone]

    Hey Fuzzyone,
           That's interesting....

     Sean,
             Have you ever received any PM's from women that wanted to post? Just curious.
       

       Researcher

  The one woman that I know posted on several boards was just a feminist that had a chip on her shoulder that she could not find a man, but she showed her true colors very fast and did not last long.