Quick trip report, just back from Bogota and LAI-

[Spart41]

Hi, I just got back last night from Bogota, using the LAI agency.  I will try to break things down into different topics and comment on each..
I got there on 9/11/08 and just got back 9/22/08.

Hotel-
Charlies place.  Charlie is a great person, very nice.  The Hotel is small and the rooms are small, but very clean, with remote tv, fridge, a nice clean bathroom, with all the hot water you could ever want.  I was asked by Charlie a few times if there were anything I would change to make the rooms better and I couldn't really think of anything. No bugs, small but nice and very secure.   

Agency-
Nelson is the agency owner, he is Charlies son.  He is a very nice person and was quite interested that I had a nice time.  He is pretty busy as I think they are making plans to expand the hotel but he always had time for questions and spent quite a bit of time with me on one occasion after a girl I liked went south on me with no explanation.  He was surprisingly sympathetic, as busy as he was, meeting with builders and bankers etc., all the time..

Sandra and William who work in the agency were very helpful.  I used mostly an out of agency interpreter (recommended by Jeff (Researcher), who I met while I was there).  I had to use Sandra as my interpreter the last couple of days as my interpreters husband came in town from the States.  Sandra was awesome.

I was pretty worried as a lot of the ladies in the agency are not heavily into writing letters.  I was concerned that I would not have enough meetings lined up the first few days when I got there.  But what I found was that through Sandra and William, things just kind of come together the day or so before and I often found myself with 4-6 meetings per day.  I think my last day there I had like 7 meetings with different ladies!  So even though it seems that it is somehow unorganized from an Amerian perspective, there is a madness to it that makes it all work out.. The staff really did a great, great job..
Nelsons Mother Lucy was also very helpful to me.  She really knows many of the ladies well and she was very kind in giving me suggestions.   

The ladies-
Well, it is all my opinion of course but that's all I have to offer. 
Unlike in Russia/Ukraine, I rarely saw "really hot" latinas while out and about in town or in the malls.  In Ukraine, guys often get whiplash from whipping around to look so often at the girls which are gorgeous and many.  I rarely did the whiplash thing in Bogota.  Just didn't see near the number of hotties walking around or at the malls like I was used to seeing in Ukraine.  Of course it is never really that warm in Bogota so that may account for some of this.  Maybe other cities in Colombia might have more hotties on the streets as it may be more coastal, warmer.. 
There were some very attractive Colombianas through the agency but I would say generally they were not as attractive as the Ukrainian girls.  Many were very feminine and did their hair and makeup beautifully, just like the Russian girls.  I would say the Russian girls generally have better figures but that is because I am used to slim really tight Russian girls.  They walk everywhere and eat few carbs, where the Colombian girls don't seem to walk much and seem to eat a lot of carbs.  Many I met had cars and they take taxi's much more than Russian girls, which would be expected as the economy is much better in Colombia than in Ukraine.  So in general, the girls in Bogota were in my opinion, shorter and more "voluptuous" than Russian ladies.  I feel they certainly have bigger busts than Russian ladies, generally speaking.  But the Russian girls have the nice legs from walking everywhere.
 
The thing they did have in spades over the Russian girls is that they were much more open, honest, warm and sincere than the russian ladies, no question!  The Russian girls are generally much more closed, manipulative and cold compared to the latin ladies I met.  If a Russian lady likes you, you may not know it for a long time, and you may never be sure if she REALLY likes you, or what you have to offer her.  If a Latin lady likes you, they will definitely let you know- they will be holding your hand all through dinner, make a huge fuss just getting a simple flower from you and smother you with hugs and kisses for it.  I feel they are far more romantic in nature than the Russian ladies.  I always felt like Russian ladies were looking for their next angle, always thinking in survival mode, always an exit strategy in their minds.  Never felt this with the latin ladies.  Just much more sincere and open with their feelings to me.  Don't get me wrong, there are attractive latin ladies there and in the agency, but just not in the numbers that I saw in Ukraine.  Of course I am also looking at ladies in their 30's.  If I were looking in the 20's, I am sure the "hottie" number would rise significantly. 
But bottom line is that most of these Colombian ladies I was meeting did not NEED to leave their country due to financial reasons.  Most had college degrees and really good jobs.  Most of the Russian ladies I met, I would say that financial opportunities were a much, much bigger factor for them.
   
No shows for appointments were high, the same as with Russian ladies- I saw no difference in this unfortunately. 
But I think the reasons for no shows were different- Russian ladies didn't keep appointments because they were pretty lazy.. and many I met did not have jobs.  The latin ladies didn't keep appointments because they were so busy working all the time!  Very industrious and very hard workers, which surprised me.  No siestas in Bogota baby! Many of these girls work 12 hour days and many have two jobs.  I was very impressed with their work ethic.  I swear I never met a Russian girl that ever got out of bed before 9am!  But many of these Latin girls are up and at it at 5-5:30am!

I was not there whey they had a "tour", where they have the 3 breakfasts and two night parties with many ladies.  I will be there again in November and there will be a "tour" while I am there so it should be interesting to see what that is like.

Dennis was there and gave me some needed advice from time to time, which I appreciated.  He now works for the agency as of this week..  Good Luck Dennis.

I thought I may have met the right girl for me but she flaked out and I still don't know why.. But, that's life.  I still met some very nice ladies and am going to write 2 or 3 and meet them again in November when I go.  One girl  especially, who was very warm and nice that I spent time with before I left. 

So- if I have my choice of going back to Colombia or going back to Ukraine, whcih would I choose?  Colombia, hands down, no question!  Some of the Russian girls are very hot but the Latin girls are just so much more open, kind, sincere and honest that it is not even close.  You just have to look a bit harder to find the real hotties, at least in Bogota, compared to Russia/Ukraine girls but when you do find a latin lady you are attracted to, be prepared for much more real and honest romance in my opinion..

Spart.         

[soltero]

Yours will be a very interesting journey. I have always wondered how guys could switch from their archtype of woman and not be dissatisfied for life if they married someone who didn't fit that mold. Personally, my archtype are the Latinas, and it was very strange to hear someone refer to the women from the Ukraine as "hotties". I had to constantly remind myself not to mentally switch the locations for it to make sense to me. My questions to you are based on this difference in tastes. I still find it incredulous that you will be able to be satisfied with less than what you like. If I married a woman from the Ukraine, I can tell you that no matter how beautiful she was, she would never be what I really wanted. I would never cheat on her due to my own principles, and I would probably grow to love her, but she would never rock my world as if she were a Latina.

Were you able to find women close enough to what you consider attractive to warrant another visit or are you changing your approach to focus more on the other qualities Latinas possess that you enjoy to compensate? I was trying to think of where you might find a greater selection of women that might fit your ideal, but it seems that the closer you might get to the coast, the further away from it you will probably get. Medellin might be the next choice, but the women there tend to have jet black hair. I don't know if/how hair color factors in to your hottie quotient.

Overall, an excellent report! First timers usually put out the best ones. It sounds like you enjoyed your trip and I hope that you find what you are searching for.

[sean126]

Nice report.  I wish you the best of luck.

[bcc_1_2]

If I married a woman from the Ukraine, I can tell you that no matter how beautiful she was, she would never be what I really wanted.

First I'm a big fan of your posts about the women. When I was in Costa Rica I'd have to say your opinion was spot on.

BUT... I know there are guys that only like blondes. Or only like girls with huge racks. Or only like girls from a certain area, or certain race. And I'm totally cool with any of that. to each their own I say.

however... I don't buy into any of that destiny nonsense or anything of that nature. I think if I spent the time looking hard enough I could find a girl that I really was into from the Ukraine, Colombia, or even China or Thailand. I guess I just dont have any set parameters of what I want in a woman... or even what I find attractive.

[soltero]

First I'm a big fan of your posts about the women. When I was in Costa Rica I'd have to say your opinion was spot on.

BUT... I know there are guys that only like blondes. Or only like girls with huge racks. Or only like girls from a certain area, or certain race. And I'm totally cool with any of that. to each their own I say.

however... I don't buy into any of that destiny nonsense or anything of that nature. I think if I spent the time looking hard enough I could find a girl that I really was into from the Ukraine, Colombia, or even China or Thailand. I guess I just dont have any set parameters of what I want in a woman... or even what I find attractive.

First and foremost, Thank you! I always just try and call it like I see it and keep an open mind, which brings me to an attempt at explaining why I might be in the position I am now when it comes to women. From the very start, I have always been very comfortable around women. Most of my relatives are female, and I grew up with many cousins who are around my age but younger, the majority of them being women. I mention this because I believe spending most of my younger years surrounded by mostly female relatives and friends is what has given me my level of comfort and insight into dealing with them.

When I was younger, I never would have thought that I would have made that statement as I was all over the place when it came to women. I never thought I had a "type" until recently. If I previously thought I had any type at all, I would have assumed that it would have been Asian, but in later years, the Latinas have bumped them out. Because of not having a type early on, I have been able to have experiences with pretty much all types of women, but I do believe that people do eventually gravitate towards certain things that they are comfortable with. My comfort zone has been with women who have a similar mixture to what I have always had around me (which is basically everyone), but when you look deeper, I would have to say that I have always been looking for a home so to speak when it comes to attraction, even though I didn't know it has my focus has always been so broad.

My own lineage touches on a little of everything. Smudged,  I guess, by the people I have grown up around which again would be actually all types of people, but, when it comes to narrowing the focus that I always perceived to be so general and unfocused, I have to admit that my concentration has actually been on the mixture that Latinas provide which is strongly African, Asian AND European. My family crosses over all three, and on that note, draws me back to what would be my center. I have always considered myself as somewhat of a "mutt" since my ancestry has a strong African and Native American (Asian) slant with a constant background that has always touched on European since Europeans in the form of Americans have always been there also. That eternal "mixture" has it's focus in South America for me since it's focus in North America has been so utterly consumed and/or obliterated with the way America's Natives have been either been consumed or obliterated.

Since "home" for me will always have a Native foundation, the only way I can explore that without heading West is to head South...I don't know how much sense that makes, but it seems to make sense to where my personal "pullings" or "tuggings" lie...

Some people are blissfully saved from all of this soul searching and some aren't but don't even realize it. As I have gotten older, I have noticed thatthe broader focus of my younger years has definitely narrowed.

[no comment]

Spart41,
You mentioned that you met mostly women with good jobs who don't need to leave their country.  Did you bring up the subject of relocation and what response did you get?  Also, if you return to Colombia which city or cities will it be?  Keep the good info coming.

[bcc_1_2]

Some people are blissfully saved from all of this soul searching and some aren't but don't even realize it. As I have gotten older, I have noticed thatthe broader focus of my younger years has definitely narrowed.

What you wrote makes sense. I can only speak for my experiences as well. Being 25 I have traveled to asia and very recently jumped a flight with a wing man to Costa Rica. Dating here in the USA I felt in a lot of cases you had to play a "game". Especially here in the midwest. You could walk in a bar or a club and the cutest thing there is a 23 year old girl... cute face... big "chest" but your thinking to yourself man this girl would be really hot if she lost a little weight (eeh the stomach roll). The Ticas looked a hell of a lot better than your average midwest girl. And if I wanted to talk to one of them (with my poor spanish or wing mans better spanish) I'd freakin' eye them and walk right up to them. Confidence and directness works very well.

But being a white guy (whose friends and relatives generally date white girls) I suppose the majority of guys would prefer to head on over to the FSU (judging from all the FSU forums). I just couldn't rate latin women, asian women, or FSU women on their looks, culture or anything. Its way too much of an individual thing for me. The only thing I know I like is natural. Fake hair color. Fake "chest" etc. Not my thing. Other than that I'm completely open.

Ya know. I'd suspect my next trip would be to Colombia... but I'd never take any country off the table.

[fathertime]

I thought I may have met the right girl for me but she flaked out and I still don't know why.. But, that's life

Don't give it a second thought.  Everybody gets a few of these.


I like all the ladies nowadays white/black/asian/latina.  If I had my choice though (which I do) I would stick with Colombia.  I am very comfortable in the country and for me the best scenerio would be to live there.  I really enjoyed the ladies from Ukraine (one in particular) but it was different and not as comfortable.   Although another poster here, turned me on to a gold mine in Africa called Angola.  I don't know what they are feeding those girls but man o man they are awful silky, but they have no use for a relic like me, they are loaded with oil money over there!

Fathertime!

[Spart41]

Spart41,
You mentioned that you met mostly women with good jobs who don't need to leave their country.  Did you bring up the subject of relocation and what response did you get?  Also, if you return to Colombia which city or cities will it be?  Keep the good info coming.

Scheduled to go back to Bogota. 
All were interested in relocation if it was with the right guy, not to leave Colombia, but beasue they want a good man they can trust to be honest and faithful with them which they do not get with many Colombian guys. 
The Russian girls always said this too, but sorry, I often found they were pretty money motivated "What kind of car do you have"?  "Do you have a picture of your home"?  I never had one Latina ask me those things..  I'm not saying that these are no scammers in Colombia.  But I know in the agency I was at, there may have been one suspected scammer and that was it.  I can't count the number of scammers I met in Ukraine..

Spart41

[Spart41]

Yours will be a very interesting journey. I have always wondered how guys could switch from their archtype of woman and not be dissatisfied for life if they married someone who didn't fit that mold. Personally, my archtype are the Latinas, and it was very strange to hear someone refer to the women from the Ukraine as "hotties". I had to constantly remind myself not to mentally switch the locations for it to make sense to me. My questions to you are based on this difference in tastes. I still find it incredulous that you will be able to be satisfied with less than what you like. If I married a woman from the Ukraine, I can tell you that no matter how beautiful she was, she would never be what I really wanted. I would never cheat on her due to my own principles, and I would probably grow to love her, but she would never rock my world as if she were a Latina.

Were you able to find women close enough to what you consider attractive to warrant another visit or are you changing your approach to focus more on the other qualities Latinas possess that you enjoy to compensate? I was trying to think of where you might find a greater selection of women that might fit your ideal, but it seems that the closer you might get to the coast, the further away from it you will probably get. Medellin might be the next choice, but the women there tend to have jet black hair. I don't know if/how hair color factors in to your hottie quotient.

Overall, an excellent report! First timers usually put out the best ones. It sounds like you enjoyed your trip and I hope that you find what you are searching for.

No, I don't have to have a certain "type" that I must have.  I had never met Latin ladies before so it is a change for me.  I said in my report that given going back to either Ukraine or Colombia, I am going back to Colombia without question, just due to the fact that the girls I found there were much more sincere, warm and open.  There are more than a few that are attractive enough, but there are simply MORE attractive women in Ukraine that I saw than in Bogota.. 

Spart

[dennislevy]

Hello Spart:

Thank you for the kind words about your experience with us in Bogota!!!!  We wil help you find your wife, and we'll see you in November! 

Your friends at LAI

Nelson
Sandra
William
Lucy
Dennis
Alejandra 

[utopiacowboy]

I have to say that I am with Soltero on this one. Sure, attractive women come in all races and nationalities but there is something about Latinas. For me, I can't say why, they are it. Maybe I was a Latino in a past life (my wife says I'm a gringo Costeno) but I love it all, the food, the music, the language, the women, las mujeres, las mamacitas....

As for hotties, I've spent time in Bogota and while there are attractive women, no whiplash for me either. OTOH, in Medellin, I like to ride around in a cab or sit on a park bench like a dog with my tongue hanging out beneath a big drool bucket. Maybe they are just my type but the ones like my wife, pale skin and jet black hair, oooooh man, it doesn't get any better than that.

[bcc_1_2]

Well I'm on a latin forum so Utopia.. I suppose I should expect that folks prefer latinas. Heck LA is where I'm focusing my travels... I just can't and won't personally rule anything out.  Seriously...coming from a guy thats never used an agency even. This website (agency) was passed on to me. http://www.jerak-online.com/

Common guys... doesn't that make you at least keep other countries on the table (well if you aren't married like Utopia)?

[Researcher]

   Hey Spart41,

        Sounds like you had a positive experience.Too bad about the one flaking out on you.When that happened to me, I was always grateful. I would rather they had flaked out early so I didn't waste time on them and I could move on to the next one.

        I can relate to alot that has been posted here. During my search there was a point I realized that,as far as women and locations go, my options were wide open. I had to figure out what I really wanted in a woman and spent some time in doing so. After travelling to other places and meeting women I learned that it wasn't so much about the country or women there as it was in knowing what I wanted. Once I figured that out, I'd say at least 80% of the work was done.

       Good luck on your next trip Spart41.When are you scheduled to go back?

       Researcher

[Spart41]

   Hey Spart41,

        Sounds like you had a positive experience.Too bad about the one flaking out on you.When that happened to me, I was always grateful. I would rather they had flaked out early so I didn't waste time on them and I could move on to the next one.

        I can relate to alot that has been posted here. During my search there was a point I realized that,as far as women and locations go, my options were wide open. I had to figure out what I really wanted in a woman and spent some time in doing so. After travelling to other places and meeting women I learned that it wasn't so much about the country or women there as it was in knowing what I wanted. Once I figured that out, I'd say at least 80% of the work was done.

       Good luck on your next trip Spart41.When are you scheduled to go back?

       Researcher

I am headed back in Mid November..  Already have my ticket..  We will see if Dennis can rustle up anything for me..  He knows what I am looking for- 30's, SLIM, well educated, no kids, NICE, KIND, NOT A FLAKE!  ;-))

Spart 

[Calipro]

The ladies-
Well, it is all my opinion of course but that's all I have to offer. 
Unlike in Russia/Ukraine, I rarely saw "really hot" latinas while out and about in town or in the malls.  In Ukraine, guys often get whiplash from whipping around to look so often at the girls which are gorgeous and many.  I rarely did the whiplash thing in Bogota.  Just didn't see near the number of hotties walking around or at the malls like I was used to seeing in Ukraine.  Of course it is never really that warm in Bogota so that may account for some of this.  Maybe other cities in Colombia might have more hotties on the streets as it may be more coastal, warmer.. 
There were some very attractive Colombianas through the agency but I would say generally they were not as attractive as the Ukrainian girls.  Many were very feminine and did their hair and makeup beautifully, just like the Russian girls.  I would say the Russian girls generally have better figures but that is because I am used to slim really tight Russian girls.  They walk everywhere and eat few carbs, where the Colombian girls don't seem to walk much and seem to eat a lot of carbs.  Many I met had cars and they take taxi's much more than Russian girls, which would be expected as the economy is much better in Colombia than in Ukraine.  So in general, the girls in Bogota were in my opinion, shorter and more "voluptuous" than Russian ladies.  I feel they certainly have bigger busts than Russian ladies, generally speaking.  But the Russian girls have the nice legs from walking everywhere.
 
The thing they did have in spades over the Russian girls is that they were much more open, honest, warm and sincere than the russian ladies, no question!  The Russian girls are generally much more closed, manipulative and cold compared to the latin ladies I met.  If a Russian lady likes you, you may not know it for a long time, and you may never be sure if she REALLY likes you, or what you have to offer her.  If a Latin lady likes you, they will definitely let you know- they will be holding your hand all through dinner, make a huge fuss just getting a simple flower from you and smother you with hugs and kisses for it.  I feel they are far more romantic in nature than the Russian ladies.  I always felt like Russian ladies were looking for their next angle, always thinking in survival mode, always an exit strategy in their minds.  Never felt this with the latin ladies.  Just much more sincere and open with their feelings to me.  Don't get me wrong, there are attractive latin ladies there and in the agency, but just not in the numbers that I saw in Ukraine.  Of course I am also looking at ladies in their 30's.  If I were looking in the 20's, I am sure the "hottie" number would rise significantly. 
But bottom line is that most of these Colombian ladies I was meeting did not NEED to leave their country due to financial reasons.  Most had college degrees and really good jobs.  Most of the Russian ladies I met, I would say that financial opportunities were a much, much bigger factor for them.
   
No shows for appointments were high, the same as with Russian ladies- I saw no difference in this unfortunately. 
But I think the reasons for no shows were different- Russian ladies didn't keep appointments because they were pretty lazy.. and many I met did not have jobs.  The latin ladies didn't keep appointments because they were so busy working all the time!  Very industrious and very hard workers, which surprised me.  No siestas in Bogota baby! Many of these girls work 12 hour days and many have two jobs.  I was very impressed with their work ethic.  I swear I never met a Russian girl that ever got out of bed before 9am!  But many of these Latin girls are up and at it at 5-5:30am!

I was not there whey they had a "tour", where they have the 3 breakfasts and two night parties with many ladies.  I will be there again in November and there will be a "tour" while I am there so it should be interesting to see what that is like.

Dennis was there and gave me some needed advice from time to time, which I appreciated.  He now works for the agency as of this week..  Good Luck Dennis.

I thought I may have met the right girl for me but she flaked out and I still don't know why.. But, that's life.  I still met some very nice ladies and am going to write 2 or 3 and meet them again in November when I go.  One girl  especially, who was very warm and nice that I spent time with before I left. 

So- if I have my choice of going back to Colombia or going back to Ukraine, whcih would I choose?  Colombia, hands down, no question!  Some of the Russian girls are very hot but the Latin girls are just so much more open, kind, sincere and honest that it is not even close.  You just have to look a bit harder to find the real hotties, at least in Bogota, compared to Russia/Ukraine girls but when you do find a latin lady you are attracted to, be prepared for much more real and honest romance in my opinion..

Spart.         

Two good reasons not to go to Bogota: the women aren't that hot and they are too damn busy. And I'll add one of my own, rainy miserable wheather.

[dennislevy]

Calipro:

And could it jsu tbe that there is an acute shortage of 19 year old chicas in Bogota willing  to take a chance on a 40+ guy who has been married.. how may times???

HE HE HE!!!!!!!

Regards,

Dennis
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