Just trying to inform myself...

[Stardusk]

Well...I don't know if my introduction is typical but here goes...

I am 30 and have been an expat for 10 years now; I grew up in NYC, have lived in the UK, Austria, France, Germany and just spent 2 years in South Korea.

I have reached certain conclusions: 99.99% of Western women (American/European) are..well to put it mildly....scum. I am tired of the neuroses, the manipulation, the constant attempts to change me, the venom, the cheating, the indecisiveness, the inability to accept me as a human being with both strengths and weaknesses, etc. I am tired of this all. I am done with them. There is no hope in the West. I love the culture, art and history of Europe but feminism and 'women's emancipation' were certainly some of the darker chapters. What do we have nowadays? Women who don't even understand themselves, don't know that they want, cheat, manipulate, hurt, destroy, are beyond selfish and simply cannot be trusted. Yes, I know, not very pc (politcally correct) but that is not the point. Any man who has spent some time in the East has recognised this. South Korea seemed to be just the tip of the iceberg...

So right now I am just investigating....and would to like to learn more from my fellow men who have realised the truth about Western women. I am done with them. Finished. No more Western scum. They are...evil.

So hello to all...and thank you for the opportunity to learn more...

[Dave H]

So right now I am just investigating....and would to like to learn more from my fellow men who have realised the truth about Western women. I am done with them. Finished. No more Western scum. They are...evil.

Hi Stardusk,

Welcome to P-L! Sorry, I haven't reached the same conclusions about Western women as a whole. But, don't hesitate to enlighten me! 

Dave

[Stardusk]

Hi Stardusk,

Welcome to P-L! Sorry, I haven't reached the same conclusions about Western women as a whole. But, don't hesitate to enlighten me! 

Dave

Not the whole...99.99%...

[Bear]

Hmmm? 

Welcome.  I think we'll say most everyone here agrees with the exception of some of our mothers and a few odd acquaintances.  That puts it at 99.99999999999% give or take a 0.0000000001%.

The Bear Family

[Jeff S]

Hey Star - don't hold back, tell us what you really think. 

I don't think the percentage is that high. It's just that the good ones get sucked up young. That could be the percentage of single women over 25 and all divorced women, though.

Welcome to the board, the hangout of your kindred spirits.

- Jeff

[Dave H]

Hey Stardust,

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend AW's. I've just never been married to or had many serious relationships with AWs...Latinas providing the bulk of my experiencia. I really find that most AW's that I know (a few Mid-Western) to be rather mild in comparison.

Dave

[Ray]

I have reached certain conclusions: 99.99% of Western women (American/European) are..well to put it mildly....scum.

No more Western scum. They are...evil.

Wow! Pretty strong stuff! 

Sorry, I don’t hate Western women. I just mostly ignore them when I can. I prefer to concentrate on the positive qualities of Asian women. I'm hooked on Filipinas.

But if you want to vent and tell us of some of your bad experiences with women, go right ahead and let it out.

Anyway, welcome aboard!

Ray

[Stardusk]

I tend to gravitate to Koreans and Japanese.

Generally speaking, these days I ignore Western wenchdom, this is true.

I have no experience and no interest in Latin American women, I have to say.

I used to a be a fan of the blond and blue eyed look but...longterm, I would like to find a Japanese/Korean woman who is attractive, highly educated and well travelled (and wouldn't mind relocating to Europe after an intial stay of a few years in Japan or Korea)...

Having said that IF there truly were an exception of Western scum; .0000000000000000000000000000001% I wouldn't object to that either.

[Bear]

A few here have gone Viet, Japanese and Malaysian but most went Filipino. 

My reasons were that the R.P. is the 3rd largest English speaking country and the political and religious similarities.  I found them extremely easy to met and talk with.  I found the morality of the women (in the Provence's) refreshing and their weighting factors in finding a mate favorable (meaning age, looks, hair, wealth - just in case my "ex" AW was right, I might still stay married to a Filipina  ).  Very low historical divorce rates because of the strong catholic system.  Negatives I think are very similar to other Asian groups and that would be to watch out for the "users".  Pay attention to redflags like asking for money, long inabilities on communicate.  Ask lots of questions - if its on your mind or you think its good for "your" marriage then discuss it.  I found that the dishonest girls will not answer at all or lie (your job to determine) where the honest ladies will participate because if you are successful in determining their value as a mate they will be successful also. Answer your own questions AFTER you get theirs because if they know our opinion you will never know theirs.

Two little points.  If they do not see the value of a question or they think that the subject is your responsibility, you might have to insist on an answer before your get one.  Second is many guys have found ladies who "do not like wimps" meaning they feel safer with a man providing and caring not trying to delegate his responsibilities to them (read; "tell and instruct them" on your opinion).  I have seen women who married men they disrespected as a wimp distroy him with out a glimpse of concern.  Otherwise they this the "simple life" but it follows with a punishment called "tampo" meaning if they don't like your decisions they give you the "silent treatment temper-tantrum" until you correct the situation but since they aren't talking you can't find out what they're mad about or fix it?  Its taken me years to get my wife to understand that here in America we were trained to seek out our wives opinions, discuss them and act to mostly to satisfy them.  So giving "tampo" just throws a wrench into the system were as communicating their opinion and discussing it would make everything work better.  She feels like to not obey my choices makes her a bad wife and the tampo is a way if illustrating her dissatisfaction with my choices.  To me its just plain stupid and cruel.

I have found a very high portion of the ladies have higher degrees not sure about other Asian cultures.

Watch out for the Filipinas susceptibility to peer pressure especially from Family.    Most want to work when they get here and assist their families - this could be a problem if you don't set the ground rules early and strong; you and yours have to come first.  I've seen several ladies become slaves to their families once here.

Last is not to generalize by culture or you will surely be wrong.  Women are women no matter what the culture.  With the exception of the influences in their lives they will react like women so taking them out of that culture can see them become just like what you thought you got away from.  I've seen Filipinas who had every day of their life planned in a secure way at home go off the deep end with the freedoms we allow our wives here.

Much more if/when you ask specific questions.  Ray, Dave Stephen, Howard Michael and others married Filipinas, Bob and Jeff-Japanesse and William-Malaysian, many more (sorry if I left you out).

The Bear Family

[Bob_S]

I have reached certain conclusions: 99.99% of Western women (American/European) are..well to put it mildly....scum. I am tired of the neuroses, the manipulation, the constant attempts to change me, the venom, the cheating, the indecisiveness, the inability to accept me as a human being with both strengths and weaknesses, etc. I am tired of this all...Yes, I know, not very pc (politcally correct) but that is not the point. Any man who has spent some time in the East has recognised this.

Oh yes, very un-PC.  It's pretty clear you have been beyond the influence of the PC Thought Police for quite some time.  Please report to your nearest Re-Education Gulag Camp for Sensitivity Brain Scrambling immediately! 
I'm not going to disagree with your opinions and experiences there.  I'd say that for a lot of us, our decision to go foreign comes from a push-pull influence: the issues of WW (Western Women) pushing us away from them, and the peaceful Zen (or simply a spot of yellow fever) pulling us to the Far East.  And as an expat, you must see the bitterness and emotional neurosis especially concentrated in G-girls (gaijin girls) who are often left alone, rejected, and dejected because they simply cannot compete with the local girls.

I understand your need to vent your spleen, but remember, to step forward, you're going to have to eventually stop looking behind.  Let go of the anger, and instead, pity the poor WW.  Surely you can see, they are not happy, and most likely, they never will be.  You have hope.  You have an out.  You can use your reason and choose a nice girl who will treat you right.  WW can never have that kind of peace.  If they ever do get married, it'll probably be to some guy who gets drunk and beats them just like their father used to do to their mother.  They are in a pitiable hell, forged on the foundation of a corrupt selfish modern culture, and built by their own choices. 

And welcome to the board! 

[Stardusk]

Oh yes, very un-PC.  It's pretty clear you have been beyond the influence of the PC Thought Police for quite some time.  Please report to your nearest Re-Education Gulag Camp for Sensitivity Brain Scrambling immediately! 
I'm not going to disagree with your opinions and experiences there.  I'd say that for a lot of us, our decision to go foreign comes from a push-pull influence: the issues of WW (Western Women) pushing us away from them, and the peaceful Zen (or simply a spot of yellow fever) pulling us to the Far East.  And as an expat, you must see the bitterness and emotional neurosis especially concentrated in G-girls (gaijin girls) who are often left alone, rejected, and dejected because they simply cannot compete with the local girls.

I understand your need to vent your spleen, but remember, to step forward, you're going to have to eventually stop looking behind.  Let go of the anger, and instead, pity the poor WW.  Surely you can see, they are not happy, and most likely, they never will be.  You have hope.  You have an out.  You can use your reason and choose a nice girl who will treat you right.  WW can never have that kind of peace.  If they ever do get married, it'll probably be to some guy who gets drunk and beats them just like their father used to do to their mother.  They are in a pitiable hell, forged on the foundation of a corrupt selfish modern culture, and built by their own choices. 

And welcome to the board! 

Truer words were never spoken. It is true. They are damned.

[Stardusk]

Oh yes, very un-PC.  It's pretty clear you have been beyond the influence of the PC Thought Police for quite some time.  Please report to your nearest Re-Education Gulag Camp for Sensitivity Brain Scrambling immediately! 
I'm not going to disagree with your opinions and experiences there.  I'd say that for a lot of us, our decision to go foreign comes from a push-pull influence: the issues of WW (Western Women) pushing us away from them, and the peaceful Zen (or simply a spot of yellow fever) pulling us to the Far East.  And as an expat, you must see the bitterness and emotional neurosis especially concentrated in G-girls (gaijin girls) who are often left alone, rejected, and dejected because they simply cannot compete with the local girls.

I understand your need to vent your spleen, but remember, to step forward, you're going to have to eventually stop looking behind.  Let go of the anger, and instead, pity the poor WW.  Surely you can see, they are not happy, and most likely, they never will be.  You have hope.  You have an out.  You can use your reason and choose a nice girl who will treat you right.  WW can never have that kind of peace.  If they ever do get married, it'll probably be to some guy who gets drunk and beats them just like their father used to do to their mother.  They are in a pitiable hell, forged on the foundation of a corrupt selfish modern culture, and built by their own choices. 

And welcome to the board! 

Oh, can you tell me more about Japan? and Japanese women...I spent two years in Korea...some of the women I like, the country itself less so...very dirty and too much pollution. I am going to do my MA this year and after that I am thinking either Korea (which would be easier) or Japan...just, how the hell does one get work there? That is the question...and yes, do tell me about the women too!

[Jeff S]

Oh, can you tell me more about Japan? and Japanese women...I spent two years in Korea...some of the women I like, the country itself less so...very dirty and too much pollution. I am going to do my MA this year and after that I am thinking either Korea (which would be easier) or Japan...just, how the hell does one get work there? That is the question...and yes, do tell me about the women too!

IMO, Japanese women are the best in the world as wives. In general they're elegant, educated, intelligent, artistic, worldly, and completely undeceptive. It's hard to imagine a Japanese scammer, but I assume they must exist. They are after all, women, so you have to expect all sorts of different personalities, motivations, and intelligences. Like almost all Asian women, though, they're non-confrontational, patient, and are willing to expend whatever effort it takes to get what they want. One of my wife's favorite sayings, is that Rome wasn't built in a day. My wife excels at things like cooking, gardening, decorating, and just about anything else she puts her mind to. She's also frugal, a good bookkeeper and studies nutrition in-depth. She's a city girl, though that likes night life, concerts, shopping, fancy restaurants, museums, cultural events, and such. I have to do my hunting fishing, camping, and other outdoor activities with my friends though, because she has absolutely no interest in those sorts of things. But hey, that's OK with me and she has no trouble with me doing them on my own. In fact she sometimes pushes me to go fishing when we run low of fresh fish.

Since Japan has the #2 economy in the world, you can bet Japanese girls aren't plotting how to get a rich gringo to spirit them out of their miserable existence, that you find in some third world countries, so you really don't have to keep your guard up.

I've done a lot of business in Japan, but never worked there, so can't offer much in the way of work opportunities. I did look into it once but that was years ago. Bob would be better to fill you in on that.

I can tell you, though, that if you liked Korea, you'll LOVE Japan.  Japan is no bargain to travel to, but you can live and travel there fairly economically - similar to traveling in the US. Downtown Tokyo is about as expensive as New York, and the countryside ryokans are about like bed and breakfasts here. It's very safe, has easy transportation, safe and usually excellent food and water, is remarkably clean everywhere you go, and has friendly people. Most Japanese can read and write English, though they don't really learn to speak it well, so keep a notebook and pen handy. It can come in handy when you meet a woman. I don't anymore, because I've become more conversant in the language and rarely travel there without my interpreter by my side, but back in my single days.... better shut up now.

[Stardusk]

IMO, Japanese women are the best in the world as wives. In general they're elegant, educated, intelligent, artistic, worldly, and completely undeceptive. It's hard to imagine a Japanese scammer, but I assume they must exist. They are after all, women, so you have to expect all sorts of different personalities, motivations, and intelligences. Like almost all Asian women, though, they're non-confrontational, patient, and are willing to expend whatever effort it takes to get what they want. One of my wife's favorite sayings, is that Rome wasn't built in a day. My wife excels at things like cooking, gardening, decorating, and just about anything else she puts her mind to. She's also frugal, a good bookkeeper and studies nutrition in-depth. She's a city girl, though that likes night life, concerts, shopping, fancy restaurants, museums, cultural events, and such. I have to do my hunting fishing, camping, and other outdoor activities with my friends though, because she has absolutely no interest in those sorts of things. But hey, that's OK with me and she has no trouble with me doing them on my own. In fact she sometimes pushes me to go fishing when we run low of fresh fish.

Since Japan has the #2 economy in the world, you can bet Japanese girls aren't plotting how to get a rich gringo to spirit them out of their miserable existence, that you find in some third world countries, so you really don't have to keep your guard up.

I've done a lot of business in Japan, but never worked there, so can't offer much in the way of work opportunities. I did look into it once but that was years ago. Bob would be better to fill you in on that.

I can tell you, though, that if you liked Korea, you'll LOVE Japan.  Japan is no bargain to travel to, but you can live and travel there fairly economically - similar to traveling in the US. Downtown Tokyo is about as expensive as New York, and the countryside ryokans are about like bed and breakfasts here. It's very safe, has easy transportation, safe and usually excellent food and water, is remarkably clean everywhere you go, and has friendly people. Most Japanese can read and write English, though they don't really learn to speak it well, so keep a notebook and pen handy. It can come in handy when you meet a woman. I don't anymore, because I've become more conversant in the language and rarely travel there without my interpreter by my side, but back in my single days.... better shut up now.

I didn't really like Korea...too much Confucianism, filth andd pollution...Japan would be better...and if I have the woman I would study Japanese hard....no idea how to meet such a lady though....maybe there will be some Japanese women at the university in York....

[Jeff S]

Try some pen pals:

http://japanesefriendfinder.worldfriends.tv/public/home.jhtml
http://www.jtn-abroad.com/eng/
http://www.yorihuzi.net/japana.html

[Bob_S]

I spent two years in Korea...some of the women I like, the country itself less so...very dirty and too much pollution.

Interestingly, Japan itself is a mostly very clean country (despite the fact that its CO₂ emissions have gone up since it signed the Kyoto Accords), though I've heard from a number of sources that the beaches along the Japan Sea side are cluttered with flotsam litter, most of which has labels written in Korean and Chinese. 

I am going to do my MA this year and after that I am thinking either Korea (which would be easier) or Japan...just, how the hell does one get work there? That is the question...

英会話 Eikaiwa (English Conversation Schools).  I worked for over a year at AEON near Tokyo.  They took pretty good care of their foreign teachers.  One of the biggest chains was NOVA, but they are experiencing restructuring troubles (you can read the archives of The Japan Times about that).  They used to have a big turn-over because foreign teachers would arrive, see how crappy it is to work there, and quit to go to work at another school.  You could also look into recruitment at GEOS which, while not as good as AEON, is still a way to get into Japan.  Once you are in country, you could then start looking for something better.  I've known teachers who then went on to work for ECC and Berlitz.
And if you don't relish the idea of teaching conversational English, you could try to make a little extra jink as a Fake Wedding Priest or as a Host.
 

and yes, do tell me about the women too!

If you like them in Korea, you'll love them in Japan.  If you don't like them in Korea, you'll still love them in Japan.  In general, you'll find a lot more smiles, a lot more friendliness.  You will find all kinds, some who are just chasing foreign d!ck as a temporary trophy to show off at clubs (but would never marry you) all the way up to dignified cultured women who might be up for marriage to a nice foreign gentleman who is more interesting than the usual boring salarymen she meets in her daily life.

In terms of religion, you will find them generally secular Buddhists/Shinto.  They call their form of Buddhism the "big road" style: no major lifestyle restrictions beyond what is necessary for a harmonious society.  But all of that is also very flexible for the sake of family harmony.  My Buddhist wife supports the idea of sending our daughter to Christian Sunday School.  But in turn, as part of the family team, I am expected to take part in whatever Buddhist or Shinto rituals are required by her culture (such as attending and being a part of the funeral for her father a few years ago).  It's give and take with no drama.  And that really appeals to me.

[Dave H]

Man Bob,

I have a brilliant idea! It's probably being done already...but I'm thinking a Christian style ceremony with "Father Elvis!" Let me know what you think! Jeff could quit his day job.  Man, we are going to be rich!

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtypcFnxxKY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFDLEN5mXFk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qy2H-IQSwU&feature=related

[Jeff S]

No need to be a fake minister. You can be a real ordained minister: http://www.themonastery.org/

[Bob_S]

...but I'm thinking a Christian style ceremony with "Father Elvis!" Let me know what you think!

Related to the "I can't Dance" theme on the Latin board, I sadly can't carry a tune in a bucket either.  I've been banned from the karaoke box, much to the chagrin of my more melodious spouse.
    You'll have to wear the sequinned leisure suit!

[Dave H]

Related to the "I can't Dance" theme on the Latin board, I sadly can't carry a tune in a bucket either.  I've been banned from the karaoke box, much to the chagrin of my more melodious spouse.
    You'll have to wear the sequinned leisure suit!

Hey Bob,

You have "been banned from the karaoke box" ? I didn't even know that was possible. Did they give you a special badge or a medal to wear around your neck? I will buy it from you! 

Dave

I think this one must be for the golden voices.



Maybe we can get this printed on T-Shirts.
 

[Dave H]

Thanks Jeff,

It looks like they have all religions covered! I should be able to finsh four religions by this weekend. 

Reverend, Rabbi, Father, Mullah Dave

[Jeff S]

I was ordained about 10 years ago and I'm trying to figure out which title to use. The choices are:

Abbe, Reverend of Rock 'n Roll, Abbess, Abbot, Ananda, Angel, Apostle of Humility, Apostolic Scribe, Arch Deacon, Arch Priest, Archbishop, Arch cardinal, Ascetic Gnostic, Bible Historian, Bishop, Brahman, Brother, Canon, Cantor, Cardinal, Channel, Chaplain, Colonel, Cure, Deacon, Dervish, Directress, Disciple, Druid, Elder, Faith Healer, Evangelist, Emissary, Father, Field Missionary, Flying Missionary, Free Thinker, Friar, Goddess, Guru, Hadji, Healing Minister, High Priest, High Priestess, Imam, Lama, Lay Sister, Magus, Martyr, Messenger, Metropolitan, Minister of Music, Minister of Peace, Missionary, Missionary Doctor, Missionary Healer, Missionary of Music, Missionary Priest, Monk, Monsignor, Most Reverend, Mystical Philosopher, Orthodox Monk, Parochial Educator, Pastor General, Patriarch, Peace Counselor, Preacher, Preceptor, Priest, Priestess, Prophet, Rector, Rabbi, Religious Preacher, Revelator, Reverend, Reverend Father, Reverend Mother, Right Reverend, Saintly Healer, Scribe, Seer, Shaman, Soul Therapist, Sister, Spiritual Counselor, Spiritual Warrior, Starets, Swami, Teller, Thanatologist, The Very Esteemed, Universal Rabbi, Universal Religious Philosopher, Vicar, Universal Philosopher of Absolute Reality, Wizard, Gothi, Gythia, Psychic Healer, Minister of Rock 'n Roll, Rock 'n Roll Missionary, Rock Doctor (R.D), Rock 'n Roll Minister, Child of the Universe, Prince, Spiritual Healer, Saint, Pope

I really like Universal Philosopher of Absolute Reality, but think Colonel, Swami, or Preceptor might fit me better. What do you think?

[Dave H]

I was ordained about 10 years ago and I'm trying to figure out which title to use. The choices are:

I really like Universal Philosopher of Absolute Reality, but think Colonel, Swami, or Preceptor might fit me better. What do you think?

Hey Jeff,

That is a tough choice!  I like those too. I also like Revelator, Shaman, Soul Therapist, and Wizard. I didn't see 'Sky Pilot." I think Philosopher of Absolute Reality fits you well...perhaps Preceptor of Absolute Reality! 

Dave

[Marshall K]

Welcome.
It's especially harsh after you have been in Asia for a while to come back to women of the west.  Fat and frowny.
I was an exchange student in Japan in the 70's and fell in love every day (you do that when you are 20).  Unfortunately I came home, and spent 30 years in 2 marriages and several other relationships with American women until I came to my senses and returned to the Orient.