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Women with traditional values
« on: October 11, 2007, 04:00:53 PM »
Hi gents,

Its been awhile since I posted here. I have been travelling throughout Europe on business. Even visited Spain so I expect you guys are going to want a report.  ::) Hopefully when I am done I can resume posting as usual.

Anyway something I wanted to discuss regarding the lovely latin women in Latin America.

I used to avoid those so called educated, "well off" ladies from the better families, since I figured they would more likely be the career types and I didn't want that. I was looking for a woman that is comfortable playing the traditional female role or "susie homemaker" type.

Well I am beginning to change my tune. When I look back at all the latinas I have dated, and the latinas my latino hombres have dated, it turns out the ones more likely and willing to fulfil that role were the ones that were educated, well off and from good homes. Even the upper class girls too appear to want to stay home if they can help it.

The girls that don't have jobs or didn't have much of an education caused me the most problems.

Of course each and every woman is an individual and will be different so this isn't written in stone, however this is just a trend I am noticing as I travel more and more to Latin America wife hunting.

I would definately like to hear your opinions on that.

Thanks :)
« Last Edit: October 11, 2007, 04:10:24 PM by Diablo »

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Re: Women with traditional values
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2007, 05:15:39 PM »
Interesting observation.  I don't know much about it but I look forward to seeing what other fellas say on this.  Especially since my up coming trip to Bogota is next week.  I am focusing on the more educated women this time.  Bogota seems to have a lot of educated women.  Not written in stone either but I noticed there are a lot of professional women like lawyers, accountants, dentist, and doctors in Bogota. 

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 05:25:37 PM »
Interesting observation.  I don't know much about it but I look forward to seeing what other fellas say on this.  Especially since my up coming trip to Bogota is next week.  I am focusing on the more educated women this time.  Bogota seems to have a lot of educated women.  Not written in stone either but I noticed there are a lot of professional women like lawyers, accountants, dentist, and doctors in Bogota. 
Bigstew33 I wish you luck on the trip and please write us a report.  ;)

I have only met a few Bogota ladies and your observation appears to be correct. they seem to br mostly educated women.

Thanks for the reply ;)

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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 06:43:10 PM »
Since most divorces are centered around fighting over money and how it's spent, and educated girl is a smart bet. a) if she's put herself through school, she's not afraid of hard work b) a university degree will allow her to get a decent job c) it hopefully means she's more worldy and less ignorant of things outside her immediate environment d) indicates a certain level of dedication to something and the ability to see things through and look at the big picture when things aren't fun.

I emailed with about 30 girls and the most interesting ones were always educated. I have fairly cerebral interests though so YMMV. I didn't find anyone in the first batch and when I redid my search, I excluded anyone without a university education, and that's how i found the girl I'm going to meet. That's as much as I can say about that at this point in time.

The girls you have to watch out for imo are the ones that are educated and act like their royalty or sophisticated women. I've dated some of those in my home city and they're always trouble. The might know a bit about art or history, but it's just superficial fluff for them. They're often not really interested, but just trying to bag a rich guy that's in to those things.

My preference is an educated woman that's down to earth and isn't always trying to impress me with things she knows. Traditional values are important too, but keep in mind that often times women are just telling you what they think you want to hear. It's best imo if they grew up in a smaller town and have a happy family. That would be the best indicator imo.

Anyway, I'm just a newb, so what do I know?  :D

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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2007, 07:08:26 PM »
 Would anyone give up a little on looks and sexiness to get the educated ones with a JOB?

Apparently Kiltboy and Bundy did'nt have to. They struck gold with women who actually can take care of themselves financially and don't need daddy's money to survive. Big plus to everyone who'se finally realizing having a woman who wants you for who you are rather than what you can do for her and her family is what we all should strive for.

 

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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 07:12:41 PM »
Would anyone give up a little on looks and sexiness to get the educated ones with a JOB?
interesting question...

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Apparently Kiltboy and Bundy did'nt have to. They struck gold with women who actually can take care of themselves financially and don't need daddy's money to survive. Big plus to everyone who'se finally realizing having a woman who wants you for who you are rather than what you can do for her and her family is what we all should strive for.

Yes KB and Bundy have struck gold and are the closest to having the perfect woman. ;)

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Re: Women with traditional values
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 07:45:42 PM »
My wife (not a Latina) has a college degree and came from a very well-to-do family. All she ever wanted to do is be a home maker. On several occasions I've hired cleaning ladies to help her out. She gave them the boot pretty quickly, preferring to do it her way - and our house is alway immaculate. She also went to culinary school after college and is a terrific cook - all sorts of styles, Japanese, Chinese, French, Mediterranean, Napa style, (but I'm  better at barbecuing and Italian,) and has an incredible dinner on the table every day when I come home. Just because they're educated and come from a well off family doesn't necessarily mean they're feminazis.

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Re: Women with traditional values
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2007, 08:07:24 PM »
Would anyone give up a little on looks and sexiness to get the educated ones with a JOB?


Why?  You can easily find a woman who has all three qualities. 

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2007, 08:09:56 PM »
My wife (not a Latina) has a college degree and came from a very well-to-do family. All she ever wanted to do is be a home maker. On several occasions I've hired cleaning ladies to help her out. She gave them the boot pretty quickly, preferring to do it her way - and our house is alway immaculate. She also went to culinary school after college and is a terrific cook - all sorts of styles, Japanese, Chinese, French, Mediterranean, Napa style, (but I'm  better at barbecuing and Italian,) and has an incredible dinner on the table every day when I come home. Just because they're educated and come from a well off family doesn't necessarily mean they're feminazis.

- Jeff

Agreed and I am noticing that more and more. I guess maybe its because the culture is slightly different in latin and asian countries.

I guess in my case it was automatic to think that those women were more likely to have the feminazi attitude since it appears to be the case in my country. I would rather have the salma hayek look alike whose selling coconuts on the street than a well off chick. however right now I seems to work the other way around, generally speaking.

I have read and spoke to many latino guys and they tell me the same thing. Even in the Upper class, women are expected to keep their eye on the home and watch the kids with some help from the extended family and perhaps house staff ( i hate to use the word "maid").

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Re: Women with traditional values
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2007, 08:20:44 PM »
alrights gents, I am off to bed. will talk more later. its 3.19am where I am.

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Re: Women with traditional values
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2007, 04:46:45 PM »
        This is a good subject. For me, when I started looking for a foriegn woman back in the 90's I realized that I had so many more options available.I just didn't have too many choices of women here where I live.So, I had to think about what I wanted in a woman. I thought about this too, whether or not I wanted a woman with a career or not.I finally came to the conclusion that there are far more important things that I wanted.Two of which were compatability and chemistry. I know I sound like that guy from one of those internet match outfits but I agree with him, I just couldn't find that here.
         By compatability I mean does she have the same beliefs and values and does she want the same things for her future that I do.By chemistry I mean am I attracted to her physically and how well do we interact with one another.How patient is she with my bad spanish also...things like that.
        With that in mind I developed my own little system for looking for a woman for myself and began my search. After travelling around and meeting alot of women I finally went to Bogota. After spending time there I believed that this was the place for me.The women there were more of what I was looking for. Bogota is where I met my wife.She has some education and a job but I wouldn't say that she is a career woman.After doing this I agree that a man can find what he is looking for in a woman, whether it be a woman with or without a career....I just had to decide what I was looking for and what was most important to me.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2007, 05:56:28 PM »
In my experience, women in Bogota seem to be more educated and worldly.  That experience being meeting a ton of women online.

Regarding class, I think the best women come from lower middle class and from intact families.  Upper class women in LA will not make great homemakers usually.  The reason being they are used to have servants, and often would rather starve than fire a $100 a month poor lady who cleans and cooks for them.  Doing those chores by themselves is almost an insult for those women, so unless you can provide that lifestyle, I would recommend to avoid them.

Class per se or even a college degree are not as good an indication of the quality of a woman IMO, at least as far as it pertains to the relationship.  Her family, the way her parents raised her by example, what values they imbued, is far more important.

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2007, 05:58:21 PM »
" Would anyone give up a little on looks and sexiness to get the educated ones with a JOB? "

HELL NO!!!  First things first, second things second.   ;D  But it would be nice to find one who combines the two.

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Re: Women with traditional values
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2007, 06:58:43 AM »
You can have it all.

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2007, 08:23:19 AM »
El ruso,

You would be surprised at the amount of upper class women more willing to take up the job as homemaker. Since the middle and upper classes are more closely connected to the Roman Catholic church (contributing to many Catholic Charities and as well as participating in community work). Of course this is assuming one is still living in Colombia where the Catholic church is well embedded in the society. In America it could be a different kettle of fish. Women generally don't like to work outside the home if they don't have to. Yes with a little help from the maids too ::) they will still manage the home. however you are right since you income to sustain that style.

In my experience, women in Bogota seem to be more educated and worldly.  That experience being meeting a ton of women online.

Regarding class, I think the best women come from lower middle class and from intact families.  Upper class women in LA will not make great homemakers usually.  The reason being they are used to have servants, and often would rather starve than fire a $100 a month poor lady who cleans and cooks for them.  Doing those chores by themselves is almost an insult for those women, so unless you can provide that lifestyle, I would recommend to avoid them.

Class per se or even a college degree are not as good an indication of the quality of a woman IMO, at least as far as it pertains to the relationship.  Her family, the way her parents raised her by example, what values they imbued, is far more important.

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Re: Women with traditional values
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2007, 08:24:41 AM »
        This is a good subject. For me, when I started looking for a foriegn woman back in the 90's I realized that I had so many more options available.I just didn't have too many choices of women here where I live.So, I had to think about what I wanted in a woman. I thought about this too, whether or not I wanted a woman with a career or not.I finally came to the conclusion that there are far more important things that I wanted.Two of which were compatability and chemistry. I know I sound like that guy from one of those internet match outfits but I agree with him, I just couldn't find that here.
         By compatability I mean does she have the same beliefs and values and does she want the same things for her future that I do.By chemistry I mean am I attracted to her physically and how well do we interact with one another.How patient is she with my bad spanish also...things like that.
        With that in mind I developed my own little system for looking for a woman for myself and began my search. After travelling around and meeting alot of women I finally went to Bogota. After spending time there I believed that this was the place for me.The women there were more of what I was looking for. Bogota is where I met my wife.She has some education and a job but I wouldn't say that she is a career woman.After doing this I agree that a man can find what he is looking for in a woman, whether it be a woman with or without a career....I just had to decide what I was looking for and what was most important to me.
Thank. I too think its a good subject. I too would like to visit bogota soon.

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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2007, 03:50:54 PM »
Hi gents,

Its been awhile since I posted here. I have been travelling throughout Europe on business. Even visited Spain so I expect you guys are going to want a report.  ::) Hopefully when I am done I can resume posting as usual.

Anyway something I wanted to discuss regarding the lovely latin women in Latin America.

I used to avoid those so called educated, "well off" ladies from the better families, since I figured they would more likely be the career types and I didn't want that. I was looking for a woman that is comfortable playing the traditional female role or "susie homemaker" type.

Well I am beginning to change my tune. When I look back at all the latinas I have dated, and the latinas my latino hombres have dated, it turns out the ones more likely and willing to fulfil that role were the ones that were educated, well off and from good homes. Even the upper class girls too appear to want to stay home if they can help it.

The girls that don't have jobs or didn't have much of an education caused me the most problems.

Of course each and every woman is an individual and will be different so this isn't written in stone, however this is just a trend I am noticing as I travel more and more to Latin America wife hunting.

I would definately like to hear your opinions on that.

Thanks :)


I am native woman from Bogota, 100% Colombian. In my opinion Traditional values is something you must look in any woman you would like to meet or share in a future your life with. I don't think is about career oriented or what type of education they had received, it does help but this is very relative and it varies, many rich women with no values and  a good a amount of poor girls, with an amazing values.As you said nothing is written in stone , but I would say as a woman , raised in a family with very high values and educated,  and having the experience of living in  United States for many years, watching the culture and seeing the differences  between both cultures , I can tell you ,be sure you  can find good values in Mujeres Latinas, who are lovely , passionate, with a high desires to succeed . As everywhere else you find the goods and bads , but go for it! I am sorry if I sound to silly but Colombians we are the best ! ;) If I can of any help , do not hesitate to ask! Good Luck  Carolina

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Re: Women with traditional values
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2007, 04:03:49 PM »
Guys
Thanks for the kind remarks about my wife. I too dated many kind women who were not very well educated  from latin countries and I just could not fell good with them. There just was no ambition with them and thus our conversations would deteriorate with time. I like n educated women who has a good job not just ebcause she can take care of herself with the $$ , but more because with that education it brings out 2 worlds closer as far as being able to discuss many different topics. I really enjoy talking with my wife because we can talk about many different topics. She has her traditional values as well. In the month I spent in Ecuador, I got to se her clean house, prepare meals for the family, help out with the family business and other things. I got to see the traditional side I was not sure existed. So I do think that there are a lot of very educated women from good families that certainly retain the traditional values of there culture. Just seems to me many guys do not look for those women. maybe they take the path of least resistance , who knows. Also for the guys that are not great at spanish, the beter educated women tendo to speak more english and let me tell you, when it comes down to the really important things of the relationship, if you cannot coomunicate well together as far as language, it really is a path to problems

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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2007, 04:21:08 PM »
Interesting observation.  I don't know much about it but I look forward to seeing what other fellas say on this.  Especially since my up coming trip to Bogota is next week.  I am focusing on the more educated women this time.  Bogota seems to have a lot of educated women.  Not written in stone either but I noticed there are a lot of professional women like lawyers, accountants, dentist, and doctors in Bogota. 

Hola Bigstew,

This is Carolina , I am native from Bogota. Sounds great you are coming to Bogota!. That means you are really into meeting a Colombian. I want to wish you the best.  Let me give my opinion , as a native, in love with my country and my people .In my opinion is better to meet a educated woman, but give yourself a chance of meeting different type of women, take your time, to talk , know her habits, values and goals. In reality, everything depends of personality. If I can be of any help since I live in Bogota , please let me know.
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2007, 05:23:05 PM »

I am native woman from Bogota, 100% Colombian. In my opinion Traditional values is something you must look in any woman you would like to meet or share in a future your life with. I don't think is about career oriented or what type of education they had received, it does help but this is very relative and it varies, many rich women with no values and  a good a amount of poor girls, with an amazing values.As you said nothing is written in stone , but I would say as a woman , raised in a family with very high values and educated,  and having the experience of living in  United States for many years, watching the culture and seeing the differences  between both cultures , I can tell you ,be sure you  can find good values in Mujeres Latinas, who are lovely , passionate, with a high desires to succeed . As everywhere else you find the goods and bads , but go for it! I am sorry if I sound to silly but Colombians we are the best ! ;) If I can of any help , do not hesitate to ask! Good Luck  Carolina



Senora,

its nice to have you on the message board ;)

There aren't enough women here to guide us.

Now I want to further elaborate on the issue of career oriented women. I do believe that a career woman is a career woman and not matter what and it is important.

Now I am not too sure about this issue that is why I am asking here. I am only going by what other latino men that I have met, tell me.

One of my friends is in Colombia and he had a chat with me about the best way to look for traditional women. He first suggested that since I can afford to work from another country and that I make a good salary, why not move to Colombia or wherever it is I want to go. Since culturally its still accepted to have a traditional wife. I don't know how often it still happens in Colombia but I'll bet its is more prevalent to find a traditional woman in your country than in the US.

He then suggested it's best I target educated women and women from good and well off families. The education bit is because he knows I like to have intellectual conversations with women and I wouldn't get bored.

The bit about women from better and well of families is that even though Colombia is a Catholic country only a small portion of the country apparently practice the religion and that portion is mostly in the middle well off places.

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Re: Women with traditional values
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2007, 04:58:56 AM »
I agree with Carolina.......
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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2007, 09:14:09 AM »
I personally avoid career-women. I dated some here and i hated it. I don't want to come second to a woman's job. That said, I want my wife to work (maybe not forever, but at first), but in a field like nursing or teaching.

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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2007, 01:09:22 PM »
That said, I want my wife to work (maybe not forever, but at first), but in a field like nursing or teaching.
agreed. I too would prefer my wife to do the same type of work if we were married. Charity work and things that can help the community is also important and I would prefer she did that then a job in a corporation or government job that is seriously

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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2007, 03:16:24 PM »
Carolina-

Thanks for your input.  I have really thought about it and I would prefer to have someone that is educated.  Mostly I don't want conversations to be limited.  However I have been really thinking this over in the last couple days.  There are a lot of Lawyers in Bogota, and a few of them are on my list to meet.  However that profession wont directly translate over to the USA.  Different laws.  There are nurses too that would have to take certification tests.  May need to go to school all over for those things.  I even see a lot of Fashion Designers.  where I live there is not really a market for that profession.  SO I worry that the women would get bored because they can't do that job.   Just some thoughts

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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2007, 04:37:32 PM »
Carolina-

Thanks for your input.  I have really thought about it and I would prefer to have someone that is educated.  Mostly I don't want conversations to be limited.  However I have been really thinking this over in the last couple days.  There are a lot of Lawyers in Bogota, and a few of them are on my list to meet.  However that profession wont directly translate over to the USA.  Different laws.  There are nurses too that would have to take certification tests.  May need to go to school all over for those things.  I even see a lot of Fashion Designers.  where I live there is not really a market for that profession.  SO I worry that the women would get bored because they can't do that job.   Just some thoughts

Hola Bigstew,

I understand your point. I know what is like to be a professional and not be able to work in your career when you move to a new country . Its a difficult situation, but with proper information and planning everything should run smooth. But in my opinion this shouldn't be your starting point if you wish to find love. It will be huge and a lot of stress for you and also for her . It's a slow process from the first moment you meet her and you decide to share your life with. I will suggest , come to Bogota a couple of times, try to meet educated women, but do not define this just because of their career. If a person is for you , no matter if a nurse or a lawyer , your heart will tell you .

Now if you are worrie that she will get bored once she will arrive to USA because she wouldn't work in her career, that is most likely to happen, but now no matter what career she might have, and of course if her desire is to work in her field there, both of you guys will need to get properly informed about what type of certification or course will she have to take her credits according with her degree. Any career no matter what is , needs to be studied there again.
Unless if she is a Doctor, and she has taken the ECFMG certification which allows to practice Medicine in USA.
 ;)Mr. Bigstew sounds like you are very serious about looking for your career oriented and soul mate woman, I have a  potential client in mind who might be a perfect match for you, she speaks English and she is planning to work as a Radiologist and recently she got her certification that allows her  to work as a Doctor in the USA  Contact me if you are interested . I hope this might help. ;) Carolina Smith


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