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Questions and Answers
« on: September 16, 2007, 01:05:10 PM »
OK... So I have many questions, and thought what the heck, why not just ask and see what you guys think.

1. How much time should a man write to a woman before visiting? How long will the woman wait? And why only write for two months then visit? What's wrong with writing for 6 months and finding out slowly?
 
2. Would you say that women from smaller towns/cities require the more "maintence" than women from big towns/cities?
 
3. Is it better to date and bring a woman to the USA knowing that the two of you are still dating, or is it better to propose?
 
4. How long should a man wait before proposing? In other words, how much date time, visits, etc, should there be before marriage?
 
5. When a woman say's she is looking for a man who is "serious" or that she is "serious" does this mean in personality and how they carry themselves? Or does this mean about the seriousness of the relationship?... The same also applies to "generous." Does this mean "generous" with money? affection? attention? Going out of the way all the time for the woman? Or simply buying gifts like flowers, candy, etc on a weekly basis?

6. What's your definition of "romance," and is it the same or different from a SA woman's definition?

7. What are some of the preconcieved perceptions SA women have about AM and the American culture?

8. Is being married to a gorgeous woman (SA or AW) just too much work? Do you find yourself constantly defending your woman off from other men, and her doing the same? How do you handle this?

9. Lastly, I'd like to know why the men here have decided to look for women in SA?

Me, personally, I don't advertise myself to AW, and they don't see me for the good qualities I have, so I'm constantly stuck in a mode of "ships passing each other in the night." Now I could advertise myself more, and maybe hit someone's radar screen, but I think I'm a really good guy/catch for a woman, so why not get what I want and get the best?

Thoughts?

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Re: Questions and Answers
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 01:28:06 PM »

3. Is it better to date and bring a woman to the USA knowing that the two of you are still dating, or is it better to propose?
 

How will you bring her here?

Unless she already has a visa, you will need to either (a) marry her or (b) be engaged to marry. The two options are a spouse visa for your wife or a fiancee visa for the purpose of marriage within 90 days of arrival.

Temporary visitor visas for a single female are very hard to get.


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Re: Questions and Answers
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2007, 01:55:43 PM »
There are no definitive answers to your questions as they are all subjective and depend on the individuals involved, but here is my opinion:

1. How much time should a man write to a woman before visiting? How long will the woman wait? And why only write for two months then visit? What's wrong with writing for 6 months and finding out slowly?

I would say a few weeks to two months and then get on a plane. Writing has the tendency to cause one to "fill in the blanks" and that does not need to go on for too long. You end up falling in love with how you have perceived a person to be instead of the person. Writing for too long is a mistake IMHO.

2. Would you say that women from smaller towns/cities require the more "maintence" than women from big towns/cities?

All women require more maintenance the less they are into you. A woman who loves you will sleep on the floor with you (as long as she knows it's going to get better). I would use her "maintenance" as a barometer as to how much she cares about YOU. It makes no difference where she is from or what she is accustomed to.

3. Is it better to date and bring a woman to the USA knowing that the two of you are still dating, or is it better to propose?

You are not going to be able to bring a woman here unless she is your wife or fiance, and if she is not your wife, you have three months to marry her after she gets here as a fiance.

4. How long should a man wait before proposing? In other words, how much date time, visits, etc, should there be before marriage?

This depends on the guy and the girl. I wouldn't rush it, but that's just me.

5. When a woman says she is looking for a man who is "serious" or that she is "serious" does this mean in personality and how they carry themselves? Or does this mean about the seriousness of the relationship?... The same also applies to "generous." Does this mean "generous" with money? affection? attention? Going out of the way all the time for the woman? Or simply buying gifts like flowers, candy, etc on a weekly basis?

Serious about not playing any mind games and interested in something real. Saying it does not make it so, however. As far as generous, they mean the full spectrum. It doesn't mean you have to be rich, just open and free with what you have. I have seen women ditch rich men for guys that had less but were more giving towards them.

6. What's your definition of "romance," and is it the same or different from a SA woman's definition?

There is no definition for romance...you either get it or you don't. I don't even know how to answer that question...

7. What are some of the preconceived perceptions SA women have about AM and the American culture?

That we are all gentlemen and rich. This perception is dying away as more and more gringos head south.

8. Is being married to a gorgeous woman (SA or AW) just too much work? Do you find yourself constantly defending your woman off from other men, and her doing the same? How do you handle this?

No (refer back to #2). You should never have to worry about other guys trying to get with your girl or defending her unless they are aggressive enough to start grabbing her. Telling them she is with you is up to her. If she doesn't work that out, then you have to wonder if she really is with you.

9. Lastly, I'd like to know why the men here have decided to look for women in SA?

This varies, but personally, I think they are much less confused about being women and actually enjoy their femininity. Being gorgeous doesn't hurt, either.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2007, 01:59:40 PM by soltero »
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Re: Questions and Answers
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Re: Questions and Answers
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2007, 02:11:44 PM »
1) Don't write too long before you travel. MANY men write, FEW men travel. They know this, and you won't be the only one she is writing to. Given that he is a stand up guy, she's likely going with the one who shows up first. From her perspective, 'a bird in hand is worth two birds in the bush'....again, MANY men write, FEW men travel. (Don't ask me how I know).

2) No first hand opinion.

3) Technically, it is fraud to bring her in on a fiancee visa unless the two of you have already agreed to marry, and both of you will have to affirm to that when filing the forms for a K-1 visa (and it's a pretty slim chances of getting her any other type of visa). Not to say that the two of you can't be sincere at the time she arrives and then have a falling out or get cold feet or 'America isn't the way I thought it would be' after she arrives, but with the new law you only get so many (is it 2?) tries, don't waste one of them on a woman you're not sure about.

4) That varies. I proposed on the first trip, but we had been in touch for several months (almost sounds like I'm contradicting my #1, doesn't it? Well, long enough to be pretty sure, not so long that she gave up on me....there's a balance point in there that we managed to hit). Other guys make several trips to see the same woman before they propose....kinda whatever the two of you are comfortable with.

5) She means serious about relationships, as in going to follow through and not waste her time, not a dour personality. Generous varies, could mean money, could mean affection, could mean both. It's a stock word they put in profiles and unless she give other indications of being a gold digger, I wouldn't worry about it. BTW, you didn't ask, but I'll say anyway (because a lot of other guys don't know this either), when she says she wants a 'well educated' man, she's talking about manners and able to control himself and remain calm, NOT does he have a BA or  MS or PhD. 

6)??? That would vary from woman to woman.

7) They think we won't beat them, won't drink too much (at least not very often) and will be good providers and good to their children. You know darn well that isn't true about ALL of us...but they've heard they've been listening to the other side of the agencies' siren song.

8) No. Not if you trust her....don't bring back one that you don't.

9) As many reasons as there are sleepers on the AT&SF RR. The top 3 are a) I'm gonna get me a hot babe b) I'm gonna get a 'traditional' woman c) both a and b in the same woman. Not to say that a b and c aren't possible or are bad things.  I personally only recommend it for people familiar with the culture and at least having a little bit (preferably a LOT) of the language.....but than I have neither the power nor the right to make other people's decisions for them.

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Re: Questions and Answers
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2007, 03:00:33 PM »
1. Don't be an "e-mail romeo"

2. I don't know how it is in Colombia, but in every culture I've encountered big city girls are higher upkeep than country girls. Basically, the more money you see, the bigger your eyes get, and there's never as much money to see in the country.

Nothing else to add really.

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Re: Questions and Answers
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2007, 04:29:39 PM »
Well thanks so far for the replies guys!   :)

For the record, my Spanish is pretty good.

I'd like to ask some further questions:

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6. What's your definition of "romance," and is it the same or different from a SA woman's definition?

There is no definition for romance...you either get it or you don't. I don't even know how to answer that question...


Some people get it, but are bad at it (ME!!!). I try hard, but it seems in the past I missed the mark. For example, my ex-fiancee wanted her portrait drawn. I paid for it, and she was happy. Does this equal romance? Flowers, chocolates, and jewelry are typically taken as romantic gestures, so those are givens.

How soon should a man on his FIRST trip to a SA country start hitting the romance factor with a woman? As soon as he determines that's the one he wants to be with right?... ok, maybe I'm just answering my own questions here lol  ;D.

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3) Technically, it is fraud to bring her in on a fiancee visa unless the two of you have already agreed to marry, and both of you will have to affirm to that when filing the forms for a K-1 visa (and it's a pretty slim chances of getting her any other type of visa). Not to say that the two of you can't be sincere at the time she arrives and then have a falling out or get cold feet or 'America isn't the way I thought it would be' after she arrives, but with the new law you only get so many (is it 2?) tries, don't waste one of them on a woman you're not sure about.

Whoa! You only get two chances to file and get approved fiancee visas?!?! I thought it was you are allowed 2 within 2 years, and if more you need to petition/apply and list reasons why. Correct?

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7. What are some of the preconceived perceptions SA women have about AM and the American culture?

That we are all gentlemen and rich. This perception is dying away as more and more gringos head south.

Anybody got an idea on how many gringos are heading south?

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5) She means serious about relationships, as in going to follow through and not waste her time, not a dour personality. Generous varies, could mean money, could mean affection, could mean both. It's a stock word they put in profiles and unless she give other indications of being a gold digger, I wouldn't worry about it. BTW, you didn't ask, but I'll say anyway (because a lot of other guys don't know this either), when she says she wants a 'well educated' man, she's talking about manners and able to control himself and remain calm, NOT does he have a BA or  MS or PhD.

Thanks for the info on the "well educated" part  ;D.

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Re: Questions and Answers
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2007, 05:11:45 PM »
On the romance, women are wired different than men. Little things count more. Attention to detail and your actions following your words. If you can make her feel like she is the only woman in a crowded room, she will not only consider you to be romantic, she will follow you around like a puppy.

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2007, 07:26:41 PM »
Whoa! You only get two chances to file and get approved fiancee visas?!?! I thought it was you are allowed 2 within 2 years, and if more you need to petition/apply and list reasons why. Correct?

Maybe it is two in two years. (although from what I'm seen of their incompetence, I doubt they could process them that fast). I'm not sure, that's why I had the question mark. After all, I don't need one, those who do would be well advised to look it up or ask an attorney.

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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2007, 07:40:05 PM »
It is one within two years and two lifetime. If you go two within two or more than two, you have to request a waiver. Waivers will not be granted for guys with a DV conviction. You would then have to marry and process through the I130 petition.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2007, 08:35:07 PM »
I'll try not to repeat what the other guys have said.  I agree with most opinions for the most part.

First and foremost....I would not haul all my cookies to another country just for one woman.  I wouldn't let it even get to that point.  Meaning....I'd start off writing several girls at the same time.  Paying all that money, going all that way for basically one blind date is a big risk...financially and with your heart.  Like the Great One (Soltero) said..."you end up falling in love with the person you've perceived them to be, instead of the actual person"....you find this out, of course, after you've traveled there..only to be let down.

1. How much time should a man write to a woman before visiting? How long will the woman wait? And why only write for two months then visit? What's wrong with writing for 6 months and finding out slowly?
 

1.  Ditto on the other responses as far time, depends on the woman...how long would you wait if the tables were turned?, Too much time and you risk falling into what The Great One has stated about "perceived love".

2. Would you say that women from smaller towns/cities require the more "maintenance" than women from big towns/cities?

Depends by what you mean by "maintenance".  Some women are emotionally "high maintenance" which means they need to be told and reassured that you love them on a daily basis, they need a hug and a kiss each day, ect...If this is the case then I think it depends on the girl and not her location.
If you mean material things....I still think it depends on the girl.  I mean...who doesn't want nicer and better things if they have the means to do it?  

3. Is it better to date and bring a woman to the USA knowing that the two of you are still dating, or is it better to propose?
 
Why drag a girl from her country unless you know for sure what you want...and if you know for sure that she's the one you want?  Kinda silly isn't it?

4. How long should a man wait before proposing? In other words, how much date time, visits, etc, should there be before marriage?
 

Treat the relationship as you would any other relationship.  You wouldn't/shouldn't marry someone until you truly believed that you two were meant to be together.  Marriage is just as serious (or should be) no matter who your considering for a wife.  To treat it lightly or as a further dating period is begging for disaster...one that someone rightly deserves, in my opinion.

5. When a woman say's she is looking for a man who is "serious" or that she is "serious" does this mean in personality and how they carry themselves? Or does this mean about the seriousness of the relationship?... The same also applies to "generous." Does this mean "generous" with money? affection? attention? Going out of the way all the time for the woman? Or simply buying gifts like flowers, candy, etc on a weekly basis?


Ditto response

6. What's your definition of "romance," and is it the same or different from a SA woman's definition?
It's different for everyone...especially different for men as opposed to women in general.  If I had to take a stab at it...I'd say---it is an act or mood signifying how much someone truly means to you in which you have all the "walls" and "barriers" around your heart torn down and you use this unguarded and vulnerable heart to think with while coming up with the "idea" to express your true feelings for her and creating an atmosphere of nothing but love in that moment or act.

7. What are some of the preconceived perceptions SA women have about AM and the American culture?
 

I can tell you from me asking several women of different ages this question that I consistently got on a regular basis that the women from Barranquilla (who don't join agencies) basically think American men are crazy wife murderers (that they've learned about from hearing about some of the murders here in America) and they like orgies.  The ones who don't join agencies are actually scared and untrusting of American Men once they get on the American man's home turf.  They feel like once they come to America...if they have any problems out of the "crazy murdering gringo" they've just married then they have no where to turn for help.  
This is what they've actually told me.  
The others have told me that they think we treat women better, more loyal to our wives and are able to provide a better life for them.  Very few, from the people I've talked to, think we are "rich".

8. Is being married to a gorgeous woman (SA or AW) just too much work? Do you find yourself constantly defending your woman off from other men, and her doing the same? How do you handle this?


To add to what The Great One has said...You shouldn't have to worry about that.  Yes, men may look and try to approach her...but you should have one that speaks up very quickly to set them straight.  You should have one who handles herself well enough that she isn't "advertising" herself to be approached.  I feel sorry for any man who tries to much flirting with my wife.  She can be quite rude in a blink of an eye to other men.  She goes over the top to reassure me that I'm the only one she wants or loves...even when I don't need the reassurance.

9. Lastly, I'd like to know why the men here have decided to look for women in SA?


Personally....I had looked every where else---from Night clubs, church, singles groups at church, yahoo chat rooms, singles sites like Match.com....you name it, I've probably tried it.  I was smitten by a girl who lives in Florida who is from Cali, but she had a boyfriend...and I thought, "if all Colombian women are like this and have this affect on me then that's where I should look for "possibilities" at.  What do I have to lose?"  So I went.  

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Re: Questions and Answers
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2007, 09:22:56 PM »
Sean, I see those checks I have been sending you must be arriving on time!  ;) Keep up the good work! You are the best PR man in the business!

Wait a minute....did I just post that?!? I meant to send you a pm! :D
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2007, 05:56:11 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2007, 06:56:14 AM »
I violated every PL rule known to man.

I wrote to only one woman and went there just to see her. I got engaged on that first trip and we married two months later. It's now been four years of a very happy marriage. Your mileage may vary.

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2007, 09:15:01 AM »
exceptions to the rule.  There are always some exceptions

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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2007, 11:03:17 AM »
Good answers guys! Keep'em comin'! And I'll keep the questions coming...

So another question I have is this: What was the beauty/compatibility ratio in your relationship, and what did you actually get in your relationship? Let me explain further. Most of you have been to an SA country because you're attracted to the women. And when you met Ms. Right, did her looks factor in, or was it all personality/compatiblity and character?

I'm assuming the answer to this for most of you is going to be 50/50.

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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2007, 11:42:34 AM »
What was the beauty/compatibility ratio in your relationship, and what did you actually get in your relationship? Let me explain further. Most of you have been to an SA country because you're attracted to the women. And when you met Ms. Right, did her looks factor in, or was it all personality/compatiblity and character?

I went trying to find the ugliest and the nicest girl I could find who I was compatible with. :D :D :D :D :D

Being a Christian...I trusted God to lead me to the right woman.  He did.
Before...I had this idea in my head that "what if I'm not attracted to the woman He has for me?"  Don't ask me why I thought that...I just did.  The one I am blessed with has it all...looks, personality, character and heart.   I think if a Christian is leaving it up to God to bring him to his wife-to-be then that person will be pleasantly surprised at what God has in store for him.  He knows what your attracted to, knows the kind of wife you need, ect...and He's not going to give you something that your not totally attracted to,....looks, mentality and heart.  

Being on my own little planet :P....Whenever I met someone (in the past 3 or 4 years prior to meeting my wife),  I began consciencely looking for that "energy connection" type of thing between me and the other woman.  If I didn't feel it within the first few minutes of talking to her I knew she wasn't even a possibility.  Many women thought I was a gentleman....but I just had an agenda and didn't have time to waste on someone who wasn't worth my time.  I wasn't mean....I just didn't feel like being with someone just because I was lonely.  I didn't want to prevent them (and myself) from finding "the one".   I got weak 2 times in that 3-4 year period and briefly dated 2 women that I was "hoping" it would work with , but knew it wouldn't.  Oddly enough, the only one I felt that energy connection with was the woman who's now my wife.

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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2007, 02:43:31 PM »
Just to follow up on some questions you have...

First of all, decide if you are capable of a long-distance relationship, and be aware that it will cost you thousands.  If you are not afraid, proceed...

Looks do factor in, unless the person is blind.  Some guys put a great weight on her social skills and education and her willingness to assimilate for example.  (I have had some debates regarding this :D)  But, I think virtually everyone puts weight on her looks, and I do, and do a lot.  My opinion is why should a guy go to the trouble of dating a foreign woman if she is not the hottest girl he has dated in your life?  But everyone is looking for different things.  For me her personality and her values are very important as well, but there are guys who care only about her youth and looks.

Further, she certainly may get a tourist visa to come here to visit.  Scores of Colombians do, but a lot are turned away as well.  It depends on her finances, her employment, her family, whether she has traveled abroad before.  If a girl has a job, has money in the bank, and especially if she has been before to 1st world country and returned, she should get a visa without a problem.  This will definitely make things easier.  And then if things work out, you can get married here and she will apply for residency.  But be aware that many parents will not let their daughter live with a stranger, and especially go to a foreign country to live with somebody.  Colombia is generally a conservative country. 

If the tourist visa is not possible, you have an option of marrying her there and bringing her here, or bringing her here as a "fiancee" and marrying her within three months.  Both options are expensive and time-consuming, so be aware of that.

If your spanish is good, forget the agencies.  Just write to her using a matching site.  It is a lot cheaper and you have access to a lot more women.  The best option would be to go down there and meet women in clubs, but that's only if you are fairly good at picking up women and have time and money to afford that, and you will need an explanation for your travel other than "I came here to meet chicks".

Good luck!

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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2007, 02:55:13 PM »
Yep, that's the ticket! Hang out in bars and look for the hottest possible chicks you can get.

I guess it goes to show you how different many of us really are.

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OK... So I have many questions, and thought what the heck, why not just ask and see what you guys think.

1. How much time should a man write to a woman before visiting? How long will the woman wait? And why only write for two months then visit? What's wrong with writing for 6 months and finding out slowly?

These are all great questions. Go ahead and write all you want but most women will start to ask you when you plan on visiting after a month or two if both of you start to develop a connection. Guys write/call all the time but for maybe out of 10, only 2 will actually get on a plane and make the trip. Writing for 2 months tho is good but longer, and I bet she will get discouraged.
 
2. Would you say that women from smaller towns/cities require the more "maintence" than women from big towns/cities?

Well, been to Medellin and Cali several times and when I compare them to Manizales and Armenia, I see a difference. Sure there are probably some down to earth women in the first two cities, but from what I have seen, the ladies from smaller cities are less maintence oriented. Maybe this is because fewer gringos go there and do not shower them with gifts/etc. I admit, I gave one girl some $ in Cali so I am part of that problem if it is the case.

3. Is it better to date and bring a woman to the USA knowing that the two of you are still dating, or is it better to propose?

Your best 2 options are the K3- marriage visa or the K-1 fiancee visa. I'm going the K-1 route but each is up to one's preference.

4. How long should a man wait before proposing? In other words, how much date time, visits, etc, should there be before marriage?

You will get a thousand different responses on this one. I would say untill you both feel a sincere connection and true love for each other. You will know when this occurs. The number of trips is irrelevant. I had made 7 trips to Colombia before I finally found my lady.
 
5. When a woman say's she is looking for a man who is "serious" or that she is "serious" does this mean in personality and how they carry themselves? Or does this mean about the seriousness of the relationship?... The same also applies to "generous." Does this mean "generous" with money? affection? attention? Going out of the way all the time for the woman? Or simply buying gifts like flowers, candy, etc on a weekly basis?

Serious in "that he is responsible and wants a true relationship". Generous depends on the lady but stay away from those that ask for $ or material things as a sign of your affection. Also, do not fall into the trap of buying or spending a large amount of $ just because the exchange rate is favorable. :D This will cause you grief once you bring her back to the USA and can not afford the lifestyle she thought she would have based on how you treated/showered her with gifts, etc in Colombia.

6. What's your definition of "romance," and is it the same or different from a SA woman's definition?

If she is a good woman she will not ask for a lot of material things. This does not mean being cheap but you can still be romantic though. It is the time you spend with her that counts.

7. What are some of the preconcieved perceptions SA women have about AM and the American culture?

That we all are rich, live in big houses and drive fancy cars. Unless she has friends or relatives here, that will probably be her thoughts. If she has relatives here, that the USA has lots of jobs and men treat their woman well.

8. Is being married to a gorgeous woman (SA or AW) just too much work? Do you find yourself constantly defending your woman off from other men, and her doing the same? How do you handle this?

I'm not married yet but I think this issue should not be to much of problem if your woman is truly in love with you and both of you have established a solid foundation BEFORE coming to the USA. If not, then folks will sense this and attack accordingly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but chances are she will draw a lot of attention from men and women.

9. Lastly, I'd like to know why the men here have decided to look for women in SA?

Too many reason to list on this one. ;)
 

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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2007, 03:21:03 PM »
Good answers so far guys  :D.

From the sound of peoples responses I'm mainly identifying two camps of philosophy:

1. Go to Colombia/SA, try and date, hook-up, and nail as many as you can or want to.

2. Go to Colombia/SA, try to meet, get to know, feel for that kinetic energy, visit several times, then propose for marrige when ready.

Correct?

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Also, do not fall into the trap of buying or spending a large amount of $ just because the exchange rate is favorable.  This will cause you grief once you bring her back to the USA and can not afford the lifestyle she thought she would have based on how you treated/showered her with gifts, etc in Colombia.

I found that very interesting rpcv.

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But, I think virtually everyone puts weight on her looks, and I do, and do a lot.  My opinion is why should a guy go to the trouble of dating a foreign woman if she is not the hottest girl he has dated in your life?

I totally agree with this, so its just the same as here in USA. You find one that is very attractive, but wants material possessions. The only difference is the culture, and the language. Hopefully, she was raised well, and didn't turn into a bad penny looking for money. Seems to me the odds are almost the same. The difference is the attraction level we have for them and the fact that they are ACTIVELY looking for Mr. Right.

Also, I've been reading through old threads, visiting the agencies being spoken about, and have gathered this so far:

1. Cali and Medellin are party cities that have the best looking women, and hence have the most gringos so they are use to men throwing gobs of money at them, and getting what they want. However, there might be a few diamonds in the rough.

2. BAQ, Manizales, and a couple others are smaller towns with women who require less material to satisfy their needs, however, the odds that you'll find out that is decently attractive and then perhaps compatible are slim.

3. Almost no one goes to Bogota, why?  :-\

4. Its all just a shot in the dark, so if you're going to do this, have money. I get the feeling that most of the gents who post here are loaded  :D

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If your spanish is good, forget the agencies.  Just write to her using a matching site.  It is a lot cheaper and you have access to a lot more women.  The best option would be to go down there and meet women in clubs, but that's only if you are fairly good at picking up women and have time and money to afford that, and you will need an explanation for your travel other than "I came here to meet chicks".

What websites would you recommend? My Spanish is at the conversational level, but not fluent.

6. I'm at a transition point in my life here. I may be selling my restaurant and going into the Boarder Patrol. So I'm probably going to have to wait. I might just have good luck meeting a woman on the boarder, no?

Thoughts?

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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2007, 03:36:58 PM »
2. BAQ, Manizales, and a couple others are smaller towns with women who require less material to satisfy their needs, however, the odds that you'll find out that is decently attractive and then perhaps compatible are slim.


Heck no!!!!  I'm not just being bias because my wife is from Barranquilla, but my standards are pretty high as far as judging who's very pretty as opposed to my definition of "uh,I wouldn't kick her out of bed".  I seen a bunch of georgeous women in Barranquilla. As far as compatibility....you can be in a room full of potential Ms. Colombias and still not be compatible with any of them.  I'm a friendly person by nature and my opinion of Barranquilla was....they are very friendly and love to laugh.  I love it there.  My definition of beautiful is perhaps Jane Seymour or Jacklyn Smith...back in their younger years.  Natural beauty that make up only covers up.  Heck, they're still hot.   You won't have to walk too far to find beautiful women in Barranquilla.  

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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2007, 04:09:45 PM »
Good answers so far guys  :D.

From the sound of peoples responses I'm mainly identifying two camps of philosophy:

1. Go to Colombia/SA, try and date, hook-up, and nail as many as you can or want to.

2. Go to Colombia/SA, try to meet, get to know, feel for that kinetic energy, visit several times, then propose for marrige when ready.

Correct?


David, absolutely no one here said anything remotely close to #1 (at least seriously), unless I missed a post. Throwing that in there makes your "innocent" questions sound more like a potentially skewed interview. If that is what this is, then be honest about it....
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2007, 04:42:32 PM »
I also don't think anyone has said anything about #1.  Not that it's illegal of course.  If you do that though, do not let women to believe that you are looking for a wife.

Many pretty girls are interested in material things.  That is just a fact of life, here, in Colombia, everywhere.  Pretty girls get a lot of attention, and many guys try to compete by throwing money at them, and some of those girls unfortunately take advantage of it.  Do not throw money at them until your relationship is on a solid ground and you are sure of her intentions and of yours as well.

There are plenty of very attractive girls in Colombia, and your odds of finding one who is attractive AND compatible are higher there than elsewhere.  Just invest in learning about them individually and have an open mind until you learn about them, do not fall in love with a photo.  Colombians do party everywhere, but I think the most laid back attitude is on the coast.  Bogota is my favorite place in Colombia as far as visiting it for tourism, and it has plenty of women, both local and from elsewhere in the country.  It has generally more opportunities, and women are more independent and better paid there.  The main reason why it is omitted is because it lacks the agencies.  In reality, that's probably the best place to look for a wife.

The best sites are matchinternational.com, cybercupido.com, amigos.com, latinamericancupid.com.  Do plan to go within three months of writing them.  If your Spanish is conversational, that is all you need.  You will not be required to write scientific treatises, and actually the practice with those girls will make your Spanish even better.

If you have an opportunity, enroll in a university over there, for example to study Spanish.  You will have a time of your life, and you will have a large pool of women to choose from for a long-term relationship.

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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2007, 06:12:48 PM »
When I saw my wife's photo on amigos, I knew that she was the one for me. When I saw her on the web cam, I thought she was gorgeous. When I saw her in person, I thought she was the hottest chick in the universe. As far as I am concerned, she still is.

What is her appeal? Stunning physical beauty combined with intelligence and a cheerful and optimistic personality.

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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2007, 06:23:20 PM »
When I saw my wife's photo on amigos, I knew that she was the one for me. When I saw her on the web cam, I thought she was gorgeous. When I saw her in person, I thought she was the hottest chick in the universe. As far as I am concerned, she still is.

What is her appeal? Stunning physical beauty combined with intelligence and a cheerful and optimistic personality.

David, to give just one of many examples to your "what is romantic" question.....consider the above quote.  This is romantic...(or a romantic "thing" when it's expressed to your woman in a loving, grateful way.)

 

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