"How Modern Liberals Think"

[william3rd]

Oh my, we have the LIB brush out again, do we? Not a "lib". My voting pattern belies your claim. More of a moderate

If you think that the Sunnis will be allied with us in 6 months, then I feel sorry for you.

Innocent civilians have been killed by both sides in the civil war-and by our troops. Keep up with the talking points-one day you may convince yourself.

We are INVADERS.

[RJS]

Oh my, we have the LIB brush out again, do we? Not a "lib". My voting pattern belies your claim. More of a moderate

If you think that the Sunnis will be allied with us in 6 months, then I feel sorry for you.

Innocent civilians have been killed by both sides in the civil war-and by our troops. Keep up with the talking points-one day you may convince yourself.

We are INVADERS.

I didn't say allied.

[jm21-2]

Last time I checked, the Dems had about 3 times the campaign funds, and with the state of American politics, that could mean a win...

I concur with the comments on Ron Paul. My friends and I are all for him.

[daytrader]

Oh my, we have the LIB brush out again, do we? Not a "lib". My voting pattern belies your claim. More of a moderate

If you think that the Sunnis will be allied with us in 6 months, then I feel sorry for you.

Innocent civilians have been killed by both sides in the civil war-and by our troops. Keep up with the talking points-one day you may convince yourself.

We are INVADERS.

....We are INVADERS....

So then, the United Nations is complicit in invading Iraq...to free the men, women, and children that were murdered, gassed, raped and imprisoned...

and

to enforce 17 United Nations resolutions that Saddam had spurned. So, William, the UN is just supposed to pass resolutions with no enforcement provision...so South Korea would still be Communist....right......

You're a lawyer, why don't you sue the UN? ...

Innocent civilians have been killed by both sides in the civil war-

last point...so William...are you alleging that the U.S. Military has purposely killed innocent civilians?  Where is your proof?....you are comparing thousands of terrorist murders to maybe one or two bad apples...this is WAR... there is always collateral damage if you are on offense, don't publish unsubstantiated claims...it even makes lawyers look worse. (as if that is possible, LOL).   The bad guys use civilians as shields..are you saying the U.S. Military does that as well??? 

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[william3rd]

UHHHH- didnt those terrible French folk, along with the Russians and Chinese, tell us that there would be no agreement to allow us to invade? A historic triple veto was looming. And the UN was branded as irelevent by the illegitimate sons in the administration, wasnt it? And didnt we create a coalition of the billing? Ukraine's Kuchma was bragging to his people on how much money Ukraine was getting to supply their "contribution."

The later mandate does not do anything for complicity. . . .

BTW- the current murder trial involving US troops should be wrapped up this week.

You are mixing apples and oranges here.

Which branch did you serve in again? I forgot.

[utopiacowboy]

There is a reason Iraq had a brutal thug like Saddam Hussein as leader - that's exactly the kind of leader they need and deserve. The Iraqis are a bunch of uncivilized brutes who do not deserve one drop of American blood spilled on their behalf. Ask yourself this: would you want your son or daughter dying for these scum? If they didn't have any oil we wouldn't care at all whether they killed each other - like the Rwandans or the Sudanese in Darfur. It's all about oil and what pisses me off is we make terrorists like the Saudis (19 of 21 hijackers!), tin horn dictators like Hugo and miscreants like the Iranians rich. There is enough wind power in West Texas to meet the energy needs of the entire US, right here, right now. All we lack is the WILL to do it. Of course with the leaders we elect we deserve what we get - in some ways we're not much better than the worthless Iraqis.

[daytrader]

UHHHH- didnt those terrible French folk, along with the Russians and Chinese, tell us that there would be no agreement to allow us to invade? A historic triple veto was looming. And the UN was branded as irelevent by the illegitimate sons in the administration, wasnt it? And didnt we create a coalition of the billing? Ukraine's Kuchma was bragging to his people on how much money Ukraine was getting to supply their "contribution."

The later mandate does not do anything for complicity. . . .

BTW- the current murder trial involving US troops should be wrapped up this week.

You are mixing apples and oranges here.

Which branch did you serve in again? I forgot.

You're talking about the Marines @ Haditha???  the defendents will likely be cleared...no evidence has withstood cross-ex so far for the Sgt; I think the CO was given immunity....therefore,no smoking gun. 

DayTrader


    Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Bombshell Cripples Case Against Haditha Marines

    Philip V. Brennan
    Wednesday, April 25, 2007

Convincing evidence that corroborates NewsMax.com's accounts of the Haditha insurgent ambush has compelled the prosecution to take extraordinary steps to bolster their crumbling case.

The stunning announcement that all charges are being dropped against Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz, formerly accused of murder in the Haditha incident where 24 Iraqis were killed during an insurgent ambush against the Marines, is indication that the prosecutors have a very weak case against all the defendants, lawyers for the some of the accused say.

Crumbling Case

"Dela Cruz provided several sworn statements to the government," Mark Zaid said. Zaid is one of the attorneys representing defendant Sgt. Frank Wuterich adding that as part of its obligations the government turned over statements to Wuterich's defense team.

"Unless there's something new that he is suddenly going to come forward with, it's not entirely clear that it's damaging to my client at all," Mark Zaid, one of the attorney's representing Sgt. defendant Frank Wuterich, told NewsMax.com.

"Those statements were available for the government to use, and we found that there are numerous conflicting statements within his own statements."

The announcement of the deal with Dela Cruz is further evidence that the cases against the Kilo Company Marines and several of their superior officers are in deep trouble. It comes on the heels of postponements of Article 32 hearings slated for Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, the battalion commander and two of the enlisted men charged with murdering civilians in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005.

Baseless Charges

Although the prosecutors said they needed more time to prepare their cases, there is much more to the story than that NewsMax.com has learned, and it paints a shocking picture of a prosecution that should never have been pursued.

In a nutshell, the case exploded when an intelligence officer dropped a bombshell on prosecutors during a pre-hearing interview when he revealed the existence of exculpatory evidence that appears to have been obtained by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) and withheld from the prosecutors.

This officer, described by senior Marine Corps superiors as one of the best and most dedicated intelligence officers in the entire Marine Corps, was in possession of evidence which provided a minute-by-minute narrative of the entire day's action — material which he had amassed while monitoring the day's action in his capacity as the battalion's intelligence officer. That material, he says, was also in the hands of the NCIS.

Much of that evidence remains classified, but it includes videos of the entire day's action, including airstrikes against insurgent safe houses. Also included was all of the radio traffic describing the ongoing action between the men on the ground and battalion headquarters, and proof that the Marines were aware that the insurgents conducting the ambush of the Kilo Company troops were videotaping the action — the same video that after editing ended up in the hands of a gullible anti-war correspondent for Time magazine.

When asked by the prosecution team to give his copies of the evidence to the prosecution, he told NewsMax.com that he was reluctant to do so, fearing it would again be suppressed or misused, but later relented when ordered by his commanding general to do so.

Confronted by the massive mounds of evidence that Marine Corps sources tell NewsMax proves conclusively that the cases against the Haditha Marines are baseless, the prosecutors were forced to postpone the Article 31 against Lt. Col. Chessani and two of the enlisted men in an attempt to regroup.[/color]

By granting immunity to the officer on the scene of the house-clearing effort, the prosecution, lawyers say, has further weakened its case.

Because the intelligence officer was slated to return to Iraq for another tour of duty, arrangements were made prior to his departure to videotape his testimony for use in the hearings which would take place after his departure.

Those familiar with his testimony, which included masses of classified material, insist that the narratives of the day's events disclosed by NewsMax.com in a long series of stories about Haditha were accurate presentations of the true facts and a total repudiation of all the slanderous material leaked by the Pentagon to the media.

Thanks to this officer's testimony, the defense team was able to present over one hundred classified exhibits, including video.

Lawyers for some of the accused told NewsMax that the officer's eight hour-long deposition will be made available to the defense in all the cases for use at the various Article 32 hearings which begin with Lt. Col. Chessani in May. Because most of it remains classified, it will be reviewed in private by the hearing officers and not revealed in the open hearings.

NewsMax, however, can reveal that the facts of what happened early that November morning clearly show that the incident was part of a planned ambush by insurgent forces, that the civilians tragically killed in the were used as human shields by the insurgents, and that despite claims by Rep. John Murtha, there was indeed an ongoing firefight between the Marines and the enemy.

In short, what the intelligence officer provided, was a fully backed up account that puts the listener at the scene of the action and takes him though the entire day's action. All of this information was made available to senior officers up the command ladder including the Battalion commander Lt. Col. Chessani.

It was so complete it eliminated any need for further investigation.

Robert Muise, the Thomas More Law Center attorney who questioned the officer, told NewsMax in a statement, "The intelligence officer is a crucial witness in this case. During his testimony, he effectively described the enemy situation prior to, during, and after the November 19 terrorist attack, providing the necessary context for the decisions that were made as a result. His testimony shows the complexity of the attack this day, the callousness of the terrorists toward the local civilians, whom they use to their advantage, and the error of viewing this incident in a vacuum.

"The officer also showed how the insurgents used allegations of wrongdoing by Marines as propaganda to support their cause. In fact, another witness, who was the assistant intelligence officer during the attack and is now the current intelligence officer for the battalion, testified that since the Haditha incident received so much negative attention, terrorist propaganda alleging law of war violations against American servicemen in Iraq has ‘ballooned.'"

Addressing this point, Richard Thompson, the president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center said, "The government's politicized quest to find wrongdoing in this case will ultimately harm the war effort, and it has already resulted in an incredible expenditure of time, money, and scarce resources, which could be better used fighting the terrorists.

"Our job is to allow the facts of November 19, 2005 and beyond to be presented to the investigating officer rather than the scurrilous and unfounded accusations from anti-war politicians and media who rely on insurgent sources for their stories about our decent and hard fighting men in uniform."

In the past few days, as an apparent part of the prosecution's damage control effort, some Pentagon officials leaked the once classified 130-page report, by Maj. Gen. Eldon A. Bargewell of the Army, to the New York Times and The Washington Post. That report, however, failed to conclude that any officers covered up evidence or committed a crime — the basis of the charges against Lt. Col. Chessani and the other officers charged.

In previous attempt to stir up animosity to the defendants, some people in the Pentagon leaked information allegedly compiled by the NCIS to the Washington Post.

As NewsMax demonstrated, that information was false.

Biased Media Weighs In

A shocking example of the sort of slanderous material being leaked to the media was this story broadcast by WKRN in Nashville, Tenn., which reported that military prosecutors said marines went on "a killing rampage in November 2005 in Haditha, Iraq, after their Humvee was destroyed by a roadside bomb killing one marine and injuring two others."

According to the WKRN report, "The surviving marines went on a killing spree shooting two dozen Iraqi civilians including unarmed men in the street and men, women, and children in their homes."

They went on to quote one Gen. Jack Keane, rescribed as an ABC News consultant, who said that "at that point, there was a fundamental . . . breakdown in the chain of command. They became more like a gang than a military unit. The order and the discipline fundamentally broke down and they were seeking revenge."

The Pentagon report, WKRN admitted, "did not find specific evidence of a cover-up but concludes that nobody was interested in investigating the allegations."

The facts show that these reports are blatantly false, and typical of the shamefully distorted media coverage of the Haditha killings.

On April 3, the prosecution granted immunity to talk to prosecutors to Lt. Max Frank, who arrived at the scene after the IED blast of the explosion. The grant was made as part of an order to "cooperate and truthfully answer all questions posed by investigators."

He has not been charged in the case.

According to Muise and Brian Rooney of the Thomas Moore Law Center both former Marine officers now representing Lt. Col. Chessani, Frank, who personally witnessed the scene of the attack shortly after the fighting and assisted with removing the civilian bodies from the insurgent-occupied homes, insisted that there was no evidence of "executions" and that he saw no evidence of misconduct.

Muise observed that Frank was testifying under a grant of immunity by the government, which he said added further credibility to his testimony.

Lt. Col. Shelburne, the military defense counsel for Chessani who questioned Lt. Frank, noted, "This officer's testimony is significant. He was on the scene shortly after the attack. He saw the location of the bodies. He personally observed the damage caused by the attack. And yet, he saw nothing that caused him to suspect any wrongdoing on the part of the Marines. Moreover, this officer was given immunity by the government, so the only way he can get in trouble is if he testifies untruthfully."

[pan de bono]

UT, i agree with you i think the liberals will have congress and the white house in 2008, that will make many people happy such as the gays, and the child molesters, and the unions, and the illegal mexicans and the anti american americans, the hate mongers, Chavez will surely like that, as will the cinese, the Iranians and Al Quida, most of the hollywood elitest will love it, Rosie Odonel and Michael Moore will be happy, most of the liberal media will be over joyed, and every other group that would like to see America fail will be happy and celebrating.
So may i be the first to give you a congradulations on supporting the people who will be able to bring this great country to its knees.

[daytrader]

This is what you will get if Democrats control all the levers! 

DayTrader


Telling kids homosexuality 'innate' challenged
Court asked to overturn curriculum deemed inaccurate, unsafe
Posted: August 1, 2007


© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

A public school district board's decision to teach homosexuality is innate and anal sex is just an alternative will be challenged in court after officials in Maryland refused to address concerns raised by parents.

Officials with the Thomas More Law Center told WND the issues are too important to ignore.

The curriculum, developed in-house by the Montgomery County Board of Education, not only is inaccurate, but it could expose children to life-threatening diseases by failing to provide sufficient warnings about alternative sexual behaviors, according to Edward L. White III, trial counsel with the Law Center who is handling the case.

"This curriculum is full of factual inaccuracies and runs counter to sound educational policy," he said. "It should not be taught in the public school."

editors note: shut up, pay your taxes, send you kids to government indoctrination centers..."STOP! vhere are your papers?" (german accent added)

White said parents also should be alarmed by the teaching of "sexual variations."

"The students are introduced to anal sex, which has a much higher risk rate of [various] infections," he said. "It's endangering the lives of students."

"It's not the school system that's going to be taking care of them," said White. "It falls on parents, because the school did not do its job."

editors note:  WRONG - HILLARYCARE/NannyState Rules!

Several local organizations protested to the local board and then the state education board. They asked that the material at least include a warning about anal sex that was issued by the Office of the Surgeon General and the National Institutes of Health, but their requests were denied.

That leaves the program material, "the result of pressure by homosexual advocacy groups," subject to a legal challenge, the Law Center said.

A notice of appeal already has been filed, and the briefs will follow soon, said the officials from the center. They will be assisted by Maryland attorney John R. Garza, who already is involved in the dispute.

The attorneys will represent Citizens for a Responsible Curriculum, Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays and the Family Leader Network.

"I'm impressed with the principled and steadfast opposition by these pro-family groups to this outrageously hedonistic and life-threatening sexuality curriculum," said Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel for the center. "The Law Center will do everything we can to assist them in their fight."

The pro-family groups had raised objections to the material on several issues, including the teaching that homosexuality is "innate," even though that's an unproven theory. They said it also teaches students anal sex is just another option without warning about the increased HIV/AIDS risk, and it labels as "homophobic" children who hold traditional religious or moral beliefs about homosexuality. It also teaches transgenderism is just another "orientation," even though that has been classified as a mental disorder.

The Law Center says its aim is to defend and promote the religious freedom of Christians, time-honored family values and the sanctity of human life through education, litigation and related activities.

White said the door was left wide open for a challenge.

"One of the issues is that they didn't follow the proper state procedures in passing this curriculum and also that this curriculum runs contrary to what is required through the state code," White said.

editors note: Who cares what the law says! NannyState Rules!

"The most stunning thing [is] there is no great outcry about these programs. People just kind of accept it and move along. They don't have to," White said. "Their children should be the most important thing."

WND earlier reported that the Maryland Board of Education had rejected an appeal regarding the curriculum, and Regina Griggs, executive director of PFOX, said the lessons would leave sound education doctrine "turned on its head."

"The MBOE has taken the preposterous position that questioning children can now be taught that they are 'born that way' until science proves otherwise 'with a preponderance of evidence,'" she said.

"Millions of dollars and three decades of research have failed to prove that homosexuality is innate or that change is not possible," said Griggs.

Montgomery County parents have been battling their local school board over the addition of the promotional lessons for homosexuality since 2004, when they won a delay in the courts after the school board announced plans to impose the curriculum.

The state board admitted there would be differing viewpoints on the description of homosexuality as innate, but that didn't matter in its decision-making process.

The new lessons are intended for eighth-graders, and will focus on "respecting" differences. They adopt the language and points of emphasis employed by promoters of homosexuality.

Tenth-graders will be taught about making announcements that they are homosexual and how to use a condom.

WND has documented a number of earlier cases in which educators have promoted a homosexual lifestyle to children.

WND reported California Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell, under whose supervision hundreds of thousands of children are being educated, has used his state position and taxpayer-funded stationery to praise a "gay" pride event used in the past to expose children to sexually explicit activities.

That drew vehement objections from several educators, including Priscilla Schreiber, the president of the Grossmont Unified High School District governing board.

"I am outraged that a person in this high-ranking elected position would advocate an event where diversity is not just being celebrated but where pornography and indecent exposure is being perpetrated on the young and innocent children of our communities," she said.

WND also covered the issue when officials in Boulder, Colo., held a seminar for students in which they were told to "have sex," including same-sex experiences, and "take drugs."

Another school event promoted homosexuality to students while banning parents, and at still another, WND reported school officials ordered their 14-year-old freshman class into a "gay" indoctrination seminar after having them sign a confidentiality agreement promising not to tell their parents.

[daytrader]

Hey Liberals...you are REALLY looking out for us, right??

A 2001 evaluation of the bridge, prepared for the state transportation department by the University of Minnesota Civil Engineering Department, reported that there were preliminary signs of fatigue on the steel truss section under the roadway, but no cracking. It said there was no need for the transportation department to replace the bridge because of fatigue cracking.

Only Steel Failure ...don't worry..keep paying your taxes....Government sponsored engineering Liberals ignored it and let the bridge fall 6 years later...

UDPATED:
    Two years ago, the U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Bridge Inventory database said the bridge was “structurally deficient.”

    The Minneapolis Star Tribune quoted Jeanne Aamodt, a spokeswoman for the Minnesota Department of Transportation, as saying the department was aware of the 2005 assessment of the bridge.

    The bridge received a rating of 4 on a scale of 1 to 10. A bridge receives a rating of 4 when there is “advanced section loss, deterioration, spalling, or scour.”

Just wait till these SAME CLOWNS get ahold of your healthcare!  You-be-dead!

DayTrader

[william3rd]

had a conspiracy conviction on one of the cases yesterday. Some of the plea outs on the other case had sentences of up to 100 years.

Bush the first didnt invade Iraq or depose Saddam for several good reasons. Ol Stay the Course wasnt bright enough or informed enough to see that.

Back in 1994- it was felt that Iraq would be fractured into 3 states, one of them a Kurdish state that should never be and that Turkey couldnt live with. The most likely result would be an Islamic fundamentalist state leaning toward Iran.

Enough of this claptrap- I am sure your hunt for a spouse is enhanced immeasurably with this lib lib lib BS. It doesnt have much place on these boards but since yahoo changed, I can feel your frustration. BTW- I still talk to yakcat.

[daytrader]

Enough of this claptrap- I am sure your hunt for a spouse is enhanced immeasurably with this lib lib lib BS.

yup, I always like it when lawyers put down my right to the first amendment;  my recent two threads have 314 views and 298 views, more than any other threads started at the same time in the Latin general discussion area;  obviously I am out of the mainstream, William...thanks SO much for your  advice. 

DayTrader

[Fuzzyone]

Hey Liberals...you are REALLY looking out for us, right??

A 2001 evaluation of the bridge, prepared for the state transportation department by the University of Minnesota Civil Engineering Department, reported that there were preliminary signs of fatigue on the steel truss section under the roadway, but no cracking. It said there was no need for the transportation department to replace the bridge because of fatigue cracking.

Only Steel Failure ...don't worry..keep paying your taxes....Government sponsored engineering Liberals ignored it and let the bridge fall 6 years later...

UDPATED:
    Two years ago, the U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Bridge Inventory database said the bridge was “structurally deficient.”

    The Minneapolis Star Tribune quoted Jeanne Aamodt, a spokeswoman for the Minnesota Department of Transportation, as saying the department was aware of the 2005 assessment of the bridge.

    The bridge received a rating of 4 on a scale of 1 to 10. A bridge receives a rating of 4 when there is “advanced section loss, deterioration, spalling, or scour.”

Just wait till these SAME CLOWNS get ahold of your healthcare!  You-be-dead!

DayTrader

   Daytrader

      I love the post but I have one problem with it. Who has been in charge of the government since 2000? It sure was not the liberals or dems. It was the Republicans who was in charge of both branches of the government so who do you blame? They knew there was a problem according to the department of transportation but they did not get it fixed. Mmmmm so who do we really blame???

[william3rd]

Don't worry- I have no advice for you. I will not be baited by you uber right kind of guys.

What branch of service was that again? Oh, it wasn't, was it? Hmm-must be the Rush Limbaugh school of rectal fissures. Just what this country needs is another cheerleader.

If all you have is the lib brush for those who take umbrage to your remarks, then you fit in well with the outgoing administration.  And- uhhh, on that bridge. . . SIX years ago, the president was. . . . and the majority in Congress was. . . . . and TWO years ago, the president was. . .  and the majority in Congress was. . . and the president, offering now to fix the bridge (remember Katrina?), did nothing with his CONSERVATIVE majority to fix that bridge- or any other bridge in the US, although they have built some mighty fine bridges in other countries.

And BTW, who gives a rat's anus how many reads you have on issues that have nothing to do with the search for a foreign bride? Or how many votes you got. . . or how many stars you have. Or how much money you made today. . .

AND, since I know this is important to you. UPDATED is not spelled udpated- or were you referring to your hairline?

So petty and unimportant. Try going outside. Its a big world and you are missing a lot of things.

[sean126]

Sir William.....I checked the records recently and your comments have had more views than anyone else's for the past year between 6 am and 9 am on Tuesdays that fall on odd numbered days when the temperature is between 70 and 85 F.

Just so you'd know.
Keep up the good work!

[william3rd]

Thank you Sean- I just KNEW I was in the mainstream on Tuesday mornings!!!!

[Fuzzyone]

 William

    I found for the most part that these guys who like to beat the drum to go to war, have never served in the military but are very fast to pull the trigger. I served for 11 years in the Navy and was proud to say I served under the Reagan years. So how do the liberals think? I dunno because I thought the Neoconseratives were in charge of the goverment for the last 6 years!

[daytrader]

Don't worry- I have no advice for you. I will not be baited by you uber right kind of guys.

What branch of service was that again? Oh, it wasn't, was it? Hmm-must be the Rush Limbaugh school of rectal fissures. Just what this country needs is another cheerleader.

If all you have is the lib brush for those who take umbrage to your remarks, then you fit in well with the outgoing administration.  And- uhhh, on that bridge. . . SIX years ago, the president was. . . . and the majority in Congress was. . . . . and TWO years ago, the president was. . .  and the majority in Congress was. . . and the president, offering now to fix the bridge (remember Katrina?), did nothing with his CONSERVATIVE majority to fix that bridge- or any other bridge in the US, although they have built some mighty fine bridges in other countries.

And BTW, who gives a rat's anus how many reads you have on issues that have nothing to do with the search for a foreign bride? Or how many votes you got. . . or how many stars you have. Or how much money you made today. . .

AND, since I know this is important to you. UPDATED is not spelled udpated- or were you referring to your hairline?

So petty and unimportant. Try going outside. Its a big world and you are missing a lot of things.

do I have to keep teaching you William?  Maintenance for interstate highways is the responsibility of the STATE, not the feds; all the feds do is apportion the federal gas tax to the states....duh.  Minnesota and Wisconson are perpetually run by liberals.  duh. 

um..by the way, I was in ROTC in college;  I received a medical exemption my second year due to something in my childhood medical history rearing it's ugly little head again;

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[Fuzzyone]

do I have to keep teaching you William?  Maintenance for interstate highways is the responsibility of the STATE, not the feds; all the feds do is apportion the federal gas tax to the states....duh.  Minnesota and Wisconson are perpetually run by liberals.  duh. 

um..by the way, I was in ROTC in college;  I received a medical exemption my second year due to something in my childhood medical history rearing it's ugly little head again;

DayTrader

  Ritalin?

[sean126]

  Ritalin?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Your just too cool, dude.



Sir William.....I was a card carrying member of the Kiss Army back in the late 70's during the band's popularity, does that count also?

[william3rd]

Hey Fuzzy- Navsux. Three years during Nixon/Ford. The Zumwalt navy. Beards and beer. Voted for Dick in my first election. I remember- old enough to fight, old enough to vote. I also remember- old enough to fight, old enough to drink but we never got that far. . . .

Jackson Brown had a pretty good song about the old men sending the young out to die in senseless wars. Nothing has changed.

Ohhhh- The Rush Limbaugh School of rectal fissures strikes again, eh? So- you ARE just another uber-right cheerleader. Another keyboard commando sending some other kid off to fight for them. Armchair strategist. Bailed out on RO just in time to avoid the service commitment. Wanna-be warrior. When the going gets tough, DT gets going-in the opposite direction, quickly.

BTW- its WISCONSIN!!!

Sean- that KISS Army-it doesnt have anything with don't ask, don't tell, does it? I mean- I dont want to be outing you here. Ohhh- sorry, I reread your post. You are talking about the band. . . . . you had me worried for a minute.

[pan de bono]

The conservatives could really get screwed in 08, because its gonna be a Billery/Obama ticket. The women will vote for Billeery, the blacks will vote Obama and all the rest of the libs will fall into place and vote for a Billery/Obama ticket.
the libs will control congress and the White House and this country will never be the same again.
First thing to happen taxes go up.
Next military pulled out of middle east and price of gas goes up
Next stock market gets spooky and there goes the faith in market
Next the goverment programs start coming out of the woodwork, there will be a programs for everything and everybody all goverment contolled.
You will see not just the dems but the far left fringe of liberals pushing their agendas into the mainstream, you will see all kinds of new laws that some people think could never happen.
You'll see what little conservative media outlets there are now start to disappear.
Get ready for changes coming soon.

[william3rd]

And by the time all this happens, I will have my "green card" for Thailand, my son will have a Thai passport as a citizen, and US news will be back on page 19.

[utopiacowboy]

"Next military pulled out of middle east and price of gas goes up"

Oh, like it doubled in the last couple of years? Can we blame Bush and Cheney for that?

[daytrader]

had a conspiracy conviction on one of the cases yesterday. Some of the plea outs on the other case had sentences of up to 100 years.

yet another inaccurate post by someone who passed The Bar; you don't do you or your profession much good by engaging in personal attacks either W3...I won't stoop down to your level of dung.  ...one bad apple out of thousands does not the military make...

DayTrader

CAMP PENDLETON ---- The seventh of eight Marines jailed for the execution of an Iraqi man left the brig Friday afternoon, freed by a Camp Pendleton general.

The general's decision in Pennington's case did not come as a surprise. This week, Mattis issued early releases for three men jailed in the case; four others have served their terms or were set free by juries earlier this summer.

A sense of fairness led him to release most of the men who were jailed for the Iraqi's death, Mattis said in a statement.

The decision Friday left only one defendant in the Hamdania case behind bars: Sgt. Lawrence Hutchins, who crafted the plan and led his squad through its execution.