Abuse claim, better make sure you know her well!!!!

[mudd]

remember when i wrote about that guy who's girl took off after 28 days where here is the latest.  amazing how much these girls can twist everyting. so they look like the victum. now remember, before you bash the guy and me to death, remember, i have met both of them before. and i would take the side of the guy before her's becaus ei felt she was just trying to get to the USA, and he was stuipd for not getting to know her longer.  and the paper didnt even bother to aks him any questions, just took her side of it, total BS!!!

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2007/mar/20/566660192.html

[bundy_138]

Damn, what ever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?

Bundy

[soltero]

At the bottom of the article it gives the contact info of the author. I will ask him where the word "alleged" appears in his article if the guy has not been convicted of anything, or if anyone has even tried to verify her story as true.


To: timothy@lasvegassun.com

Subject:Re: Article:Human trafficking takes toll on victims

Dear Sir:

I am curious as to whether anyone actually verified anything this young lady said before putting this in print as if it is actually true? It would be very refreshing for someone to expose some of these frauds if that is truly what they are instead of jumping on the "Let's bash the guy" bandwagon. It would be both original and refreshing to see something in print that actually took some investigative effort on the part of the journalist and reflects the reality of a situation instead of just regurgitating the popular drivel that may or may not be true.

Regards,

[bundy_138]

Good call.  I am going to do the same thing.

Bundy

[bigstew33]

Well of course not.  That would be responsible journalism.   I had the very same thing happen to me.   My soon to be ex went to a battered womens meeting, and sat there lied that I abused her and so on.  (never ever ever laid a hand on her in my life, actually the opposite is true)  Next thing I know her picture is on the front cover of the local newspaper crying, along with the story.  Needless to say I lost all of my friends.  People at my work which was 60 miles away heard about this.  Did the reporter even ask me question 1 about it?  noooo.  Really stupid thing about it is I actually drove her to the meeting and watched the kids while she was in there putting on this show.  Yes we were already separated at the time. 

[fathertime]

These type of stories are coming up quite often.  It certainly puts another “Lose” element into this whole ordeal.  As a bystander it is always hard to tell where the biases are but clearly the goddamn story is not attempting to get his side of what occurred and I find that relatively disgusting.  Who knows what occurred for sure, but I would hope that there would be plenty of real evidence before a man’s life is ruined.  Hell if he did what she said, he should be locked up but if he didn’t do these things he is accused of, than she should serve some time before being deported with only the clothes on her back.  The hard part is to find where the truth lies…I never know what the hell to think, other than watch your own back and constantly document everything, which is a major pain in the ass.  Sorry to hear your story too BigStew.

I like what you wrote Soltero. I have written and sent my own version. Not that it will mean a damn thing to him other than he is getting attention, which he will interpret as good.

Fathertime!

[pan de bono]

Amazing, but very believable. We live in a time when just about anything goes. People make false claims and get away with it, reporters are the worst ever reporting without actually investigating.
Its a strange world we live in these days, whats wrong is often times considered right and whats right is often times considered wrong.
We have to be careful, we have to watch everything we do and say and even think.
We guys also have to watch out who we marry. Be careful guys its a whole new world out there.

[utopiacowboy]

I have had many experiences with reporters. I don't know if there may be something about the profession that attracts stupidity. They can't seem to keep even the simplest sort of facts straight. I have long since given up reading the local newspaper because they ball everything up completely.

[Looking4Wife]

My soon to be ex went to a battered womens meeting, and sat there lied that I abused her and so on.  (never ever ever laid a hand on her in my life, actually the opposite is true)...  Really stupid thing about it is I actually drove her to the meeting and watched the kids while she was in there putting on this show.  Yes we were already separated at the time. 

Bigstew33:

I know you clarified it was "stupid", but what possessed you to drive your wife to a "battered women's meeting" if you "never ever ever laid a hand on her"?

Just curious... did you leave something out, or did I miss something... did you "yada, yada, yada" (Seinfeld joke) some important point that I missed?

[jm21-2]

I have had many experiences with reporters. I don't know if there may be something about the profession that attracts stupidity. They can't seem to keep even the simplest sort of facts straight. I have long since given up reading the local newspaper because they ball everything up completely.

I second that opinion. I'm not sure it's all due to incompetence/stupidity though...plenty of bias/spin.

[sean126]

Mudd,

I am curious....do you know if the guy is going to write this reporter or perhaps even contact a lawyer over this.  I would think if it was almost totally false....I'd have a complete tirade since it was put in a newspaper and I'd be screaming about slander suits or something.

Soltero, you beat me to the punch. LOL.  
I'm going to do the same thing as the rest of you.

[sean126]

I re-read it and something totally idiotic jumped out at me.....

"Interviewing Carmona's would-be husband or the marriage agency in Colombia to obtain the other side of her story would increase the risk of putting her in danger."

Are you kidding me???  Blasting this guy in the NEWSPAPER isn't going to set him off if it's true?  What kind of moron is this guy.  He won't talk to the guy....so he just puts it in the paper.  Geez!

[Looking4Wife]

I re-read it and something totally idiotic jumped out at me.....

"Interviewing Carmona's would-be husband or the marriage agency in Colombia to obtain the other side of her story would increase the risk of putting her in danger."

Are you kidding me???  Blasting this guy in the NEWSPAPER isn't going to set him off if it's true?  What kind of moron is this guy.  He won't talk to the guy....so he just puts it in the paper.  Geez!

Ditto...

[mudd]

Hola Sean,

well, i told him to get a lawyer, (probably a good idea Colombian Sweethearts looks into the matter also, because it makes them look bad ), and prove she is full of krap and just used him to get here. i think she has some local help, telling her what to do, a mexican lady that she was talking with all the time, so he  told me.

i am sure his name is now on a list someplace at DHS. and  oh yes, the paper says the didnt concact the husband or the agency, you know why, becuase they wouoldnt want to hear the other  side of the story, only her side, which sells papers.

[sean126]

LOL, well I just followed suit behind Soltero, Ft and the rest of the gang.  I wrote it in my usual cheerful, casual and non-confrontational style.

I guess writing the editor would be better.  I'm going to do that also.   

[Kiltboy1]

Damn

I leave for 3 hours to coach my daughters softball game, and all hell breaks loose . Well, this is absolutely no surprise as there is a large , yet undefined group of latinos in this country, and in theres that coach these girls that this is the way to get your green card , and dump the poor slob, all while collecting all the juicy benefits of the good ole USA. That is why i never would marry a woman that was poor or had little brains to go on(OH, RIGHT, I DID , 5 YEARS AGO).i feel for the guy because i expect there is at least an 80% chance he did not do any of those things, on the other hand, my ex wife's sister came to California on a fiance visa and they guy was just like this article said and kicked her out of the house with no cab fare even to get to the airport . This guy was seeing two other philipina ladies on the side, told her she could not dress like a Colombian because people would thin she was a HO, but i think more time then not, the women work the system that they are coached to manipulate.

KB

[soltero]

I received a response from Timothy Pratt (which I was not expecting). If he responds to my reply to his email, hopefully I can convince him to at least take a look at this website and also (hopefully) join to converse with the members here.

[Looking4Wife]

I received a response from Timothy Pratt (which I was not expecting). If he responds to my reply to his email, hopefully I can convince him to at least take a look at this website and also (hopefully) join to converse with the members here.

That's great that you got a response, kudos!

The best place to start would be for him to solicit input from those that are happily married on the board, since he started out with the opposite extreme of a failed relationship.

Just reading random posts might not exactly refute his preconceived notions of what this is all about.  If he reads as selectively as he writes, it might just add fuel to the fire.

Mis dos mil pesos...

[doombug]

My sources tell me [sorry, Don Pap, for borrowing one of your lines] that U.S. consulate officials are now distributing these shirts to all Colombian women between the ages of 18 and 30, immediately following issuance of the K-1:



Journalists and politicians can be some dumb somnabitches:

"Her 'fiancee' visa expires in a month, she knows nothing of the complex, relatively new and largely untested federal law designed to protect victims of what's called human trafficking, and she has no money to make it back home."

Yet when she joined up at Colombian Sweethearts, right there in black and white--and in her native tongue--is spelled out the following:

Ley IMBRA (International Marriage Broker Law)

Queremos informarte que de acuerdo con una nueva ley federal de los Estados unidos que se hizo efectiva a partir del 7 de marzo de 2006, la agencia matrimonial Colombian Sweethearts, tiene la obligación de hacer una investigación sobre el pasado judicial de nuestros clientes para así procurar la seguridad de nuestras afiliadas.

Antes de comenzar a conocer o contactar a cualquiera de las damas en nuestra agencia, cada cliente debe llenar un formulario que contiene preguntas sobre su pasado en lo referente a delitos o problemas que haya tenido anteriormente.

La veracidad de estas respuestas es confirmada en el Registro Público Nacional de Delitos Sexuales de Los Estados Unidos.

Existe un documento que ha sido creado por el Gobierno Federal de Los Estados Unidos concerniente a violencia doméstica,  con el fin de proteger a todas las mujeres que ingresen a dicho país, el cual te estaremos enviando una vez sea actualizado por el gobierno de Los Estados Unidos, además el gobierno de los Estados Unidos tiene líneas telefónicas gratis donde te puedes comunicar en caso de tener algún problema por violencia doméstica, en estas líneas serás atendida por operadoras que hablan español. Estas líneas son:

Número Telefónico Gratis Para Ayuda En Casos
de Violencia Doméstica: 1-800-799-7233

Número Telefónico Gratis Para Ayuda con Peticiones
de Inmigración: 1-800-375-5283

http://www.colombiansweethearts.com/membership_for_women.php

And the paragraph closes with a link to one of G. Bala's websites (a site which is also in Spanish) :

En la página de Internet www.abogadodevisas.com, hay información en español sobre los derechos de inmigración del cónyuge, y de como obtener ayuda en caso de violencia doméstica.

At GB's site, she can find the "Battered Woman" golden-ticket option under a heading entitled, "INFORMACIÓN SOBRE LA RENUNCIA PARA LA ESPOSA ESTROPEADA ("BATTERED SPOUSE WAIVER INFORMATION"). And there's even a video there, with the hundreds of chicas in attendance... If I didn't know any better, I'd say it looks almost like a "How-To" indoctrination.

"Interviewing Carmona's would-be husband or the marriage agency in Colombia to obtain the other side of her story would increase the risk of putting her in danger."

Perfect! So all parties should just take her side of the story implicitly.

I'll sign off with this weather forecast:

Suspicious clouds over America. The first drops of Cantwell acid rain have been reported to the west. Don't bother with IMBRAllas. They're full of holes.

Give and ye shall receive give, guys.



Isn't charity great!

[Ray]

...what possessed you to drive your wife to a "battered women's meeting" if you "never ever ever laid a hand on her"?

Sounds like a fair question...

[sean126]

I received a reply back last night from Tim also.

Apparently he doesn't like my casual and non-confrontational writing style either.

He basically said...I know nothing about him or the human trafficking phenomenon and prostitution fronts. His "supporting" clues came from what he read on the Agency's website and talking to the people who gave this "poor woman on the run" shelter and care.  When asked how is it putting her in danger by talking to the Agency...he replied, (direct quote) "they make threatening calls to the families in these cases, and did so here. I know how things work in countries like Colombia by direct experience; you don't."

He said the experts in the article aren't idiot's either and seen this kind of thing before.  (what this has to do with omitted "alleged" and "she claims" in the article....I have no idea.)

The man's name did not appear because it's not a "trial" and (quote)..."it's one person's account of events and the
comments of outside experts on that accounting. No one's name is maligned in any way or form.".......I suppose this guy's friends and family have no idea what the girl's maiden name is and I suppose the man in question would have no idea who the story is about, even after looking at the picture of her.  He still did not answer if this would set him off more than actually talking to the guy to get his version.

Basically he didn't answer any of my questions but one.   How would contacting the agency put her in danger.  Apparently the "agencies" in Colombia are very threatening and intimidating when brought into a bad light....or in this case exposed for being a front for human trafficking and prostitution.  

[bigstew33]

Ray-

I had no idea she was going to a battered womens meeting.  She didn't tell me that part.  I wasn't smart enough to ask either.  Well I never expected I was driving her to a meeting in which she was going to bash me either

[Ray]

Thanks Stew for clearing that up!

[Kiltboy1]

I too wrote this jackoff today and will be interested if he returns my email. here is what i wrote
:

You sir need to do more investigation into what you put in print about people or situations in general. I read the article you wrote about the man that married the woman from Colombia and then claimed abuse. I have traveled extensively in that country, seen the agencies that promote the women for marriages and met thousands of Latinos both in Colombia and here in the USA, i can tell you that more times then not, it is the Latin woman that is in the wrong, is the liar and is coached extensively by Latinos both outside the USA and here, how to marry a man from the US , make him fall in love with her and then use the "ABUSE" claim to be able to complete her real mission, which is to obtain a Green card and thus the benefits of US Citizenship. Yes, there are cases where the man abuses the woman, no different then American marriages, but there are just as many cases where the woman abuses the man, and if you knew anything about Latin culture, which I do not think you do, then you would know it is very common for the woman to abuse the man both verbally and physically. I think it is very irresponsible of you to make assumptions based on listening to woman's abuse shelter because that is exactly the type of "GAMEPLAN" that many of these manipulative women want you to think. I sincerely hope before you go to print to try to scare people into thinking that if a man wants to marry a woman from another country, he surely must be a domestic violence case, abusive or someone who wants a servient wife. On the contrary, men that marry a woman from another country do so mostly because they put there man first above all the feminist garbage that makes me want to vomit at the thought of being with an American women and has nothing whatsoever to do with wanting a sex salve, but has to do with wanting a woman that makes a man feel like a man

I do not expect to get a reply from you, since if i did, it would only be more spin city puke that the liberal media such as yourself likes to promote

[doombug]

He basically said...I know nothing about him or the human trafficking phenomenon and prostitution fronts.

Go figure.

Journalism can be such a reckless and rash trade. The vetting process is too loose (see the excellent movie, "Shattered Glass," which is based on a true story), and these dweebs have ego problems that lends to their eschewing valid criticism. 

"they make threatening calls to the families in these cases, and did so here. I know how things work in countries like Colombia by direct experience; you don't."

And there's your example. He knows absolutely nothing about you... But then, wait. Neither did he know anything about the gringo in his story before rushing to sully him.

Shunning facts or being selective in the research process isn't gonna win Pratt and the Sun a Pulitzer.

From an article titled, "Secret Rules of Journalism":

Ceppos named four inherently unfair practices behind the secret rules:

• Not listening to readers' complaints;
• Framing and writing stories before getting all sides;
• Refusing to explain actions or decisions to the public;
• Pretending issues are black and white

http://flash.uoregon.edu/S98/ceppos.html

I hope the doofus finds time to come here and explain why he suffers from all four of the above maladies.