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[Christopher]

Christopher,

Now who is being absurd here? Of course the proposed border fence would be patrolled, have towers, and be equipped with the latest in electronic monitoring. Did you really think that we were going to just put up a fence and then leave it unattended? Do you even know anything about it?

You obviously have not heard or read any of the details on the proposed border fence or the law that mandated it so I find it impossible to debate the merits of such with you. PLEASE study up on this before trying to put it down. The fence is not a big joke as the open border pundits would have you believe.

And I don’t understand your pessimism on the idea of deporting any illegal aliens. You aren’t even willing to try it, just like the wimpy politicians who are scared to death to enforce our laws. You can’t label something a failure without trying it first. Just because you don’t understand how it may possibly work doesn’t mean it’s hopeless. Has this country become a bunch of defeatists ready to surrender to every problem that comes along? Sometimes I wonder.

Of course illegals want to come here to work. And some just want to come here to kill and rape our citizens. So you will just throw your hands up in the air in defeat and hope the problem will go away magically, while who knows what is crossing our borders? Get real man! If you start locking up those employers and take away the freebies then 90% of intending will stay home and many of those already here will leave because there will be nothing for them. Then we can concentrate on keeping the terrorists and rapists out!

And no the illegal alien problem is not the same as the drug problem. That’s just a cop out to justify doing absolutely nothing.

I really don’t understand all of this negativism when it comes to protecting our borders. Stop listening to the whackos who want open borders and free immigration for all! If you use that wonderful mind of yours instead of listening to others you may be surprised at how manageable this whole immigration thing can be. Just try thinking instead of automatically condemning.

Ray

So it's 2000 miles.  That's still a LOT of territory.

You're talking about the vote in December 2005 (HR 4437, S 2611) for the triple layer fence, I assume.  That's the most comprehensive vote I can find on the issue in House or Senate, and it proposed 860 miles of fence.  Do the math.

If I've got the wrong set of bills, let me know.  Guess I don't know anything about it. 

As for deporting them en masse, talking about it is fine.  Who's going to pay for it?  Where are we going to get the people to man this border, find all the illegals and drive the 100,000 buses it's going to take to deport them.

Or, even, where we find 100,000 buses?

[Christopher]

Solving the Illegal Immigration Invasion from Mexico/Central America;

[1] enforce existing immigration laws
[2] build the fence
[3] make employers join the SSN# verification service for all existing and new hires
[4] allow the IRS to compare SSN #'s on the employers form  941 with existing SSN info on file at the Social Security Administration (currently they can't do it legally).  Arrest & prosecute employers that have illegal SSN#'s on their quarterly 941's after a grace period. 
[5] Hire Manpower/CareerBuilder.com type company to set up a guest worker program, requiring prospective employees to sign up for the service in major cities 500 miles or farther away from the US Border.  (this encourages 11 million illegals to leave voluntarily, no buses needed).  Farmers/hotels/low wage employers can advertise for help in the USA via the website, when it is not filled in a reasonable length of time, a slot is opened up for a "guest worker"
[6] Legal Guest workers will have a tamper proof biometric ID card (similar to the DOD ID card I think). 
[7] Sanction employers $10,000 for each guest worker that does not return across the border after their 2 or 3 year term expires (employer pays for guest worker travel to and from their homecountry.  They would just hire a specialized transit security company to do it).  The $10,000 fine pays for ICE to pick the illegals up when they find them.
[8]  Repeal any laws granting citizenship for "anchor babies" of illegal immigrants or any foreigners in the USA that do not have citizenship 
[9] Have Congress repeal Marbury vs Madison (so the Courts can't prevent the changed laws from taking place), Fred Thompson becomes President (hope of hopes he runs), Republicans get gonads and win the Senate and change the Fillibuster Rules so Robert Byrd can't fillibuster the whole thing from his wheelchair.

....ah well.. in America I can dream of these things happening.....probably won't however...

flagringo

P.S. this same scenario started happening after WWII when Eisenhower was President.  He deployed the Army along the border, and rousted the illegals from the farms; the whole problem was solved quickly and without the mainstream news media trying to subvert the American Rule of Law by taking the side of the illegals. 

That's not all half bad, but the anchor babies issue isn't a matter of passing a law - that's specifically in the Constitution and would require an amendment.

[Christopher]

Anyone know the rate of crimes committed by illegal aliens is?

That's a trick question....

[Ray]

So it's 2000 miles.  That's still a LOT of territory.

You're talking about the vote in December 2005 (HR 4437, S 2611) for the triple layer fence, I assume.  That's the most comprehensive vote I can find on the issue in House or Senate, and it proposed 860 miles of fence.  Do the math.

If I've got the wrong set of bills, let me know.  Guess I don't know anything about it. 

Never Ass-U-Me   

Actually it's about 700 miles and it only covers the highest problem areas.

The bill that put the border fence into law is H.R. 6061, know as the Secure Fence Act of 2006, signed into law last October.

The bill had bipartisan support but wasn't fully funded at the time of passage. Since both Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid voted NO, I wouldn't hold my breath that this thing gets built any time too soon. Note that Hillary and Obama both voted YES (I wonder if Gary B will still vote for him? ROFL!). Both senators from California also voted YES.

Hopefully the fence will go up and eventually the gaps will be closed.

Look up the bill and read it (it's fairly short) and then let us know what you think.

Ray

[Ray]

Or, even, where we find 100,000 buses?

No problem. We already have that covered...

[Christopher]

Never Ass-U-Me   

Actually it's about 700 miles and it only covers the highest problem areas.

The bill that put the border fence into law is H.R. 6061, know as the Secure Fence Act of 2006, signed into law last October.

The bill had bipartisan support but wasn't fully funded at the time of passage. Since both Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid voted NO, I wouldn't hold my breath that this thing gets built any time too soon. Note that Hillary and Obama both voted YES (I wonder if Gary B will still vote for him? ROFL!). Both senators from California also voted YES.

Hopefully the fence will go up and eventually the gaps will be closed.

Look up the bill and read it (it's fairly short) and then let us know what you think.

Ray

Yeah, 700 miles still doesn't translate into 1951 miles for me.

Plus, again, it might be fun to talk about, but that fence would have to be manned, and I mean massively, 24/7.  Where do we get the personnel?  If you have 12 people per mile (and that translates into a measly 4 people per mile because you have to have shifts), that's 8400 people, plus support personnel.  You're talking a good 10,000 to 12,000 people.  We can barely find 21,000 troops to surge with in Iraq, and you want us to put tens of thousands more along the border?  Where does the billions of dollars for this come from?  It isn't a one-time shot, either.  You have to fund it every year.

And that still only covers a little over a third of the border.

You want to do this right, Ray?  Plug the gaps and all?  You need at least 20 people per mile per shift, that's....um...carry the 3....120,000 people.  Plus support personnel and we're now at around 150,000 people.

150,000 people patrolling a border night and day.  Just salaries alone would be, what, a half a billion per year?  Plus, it's just a bit too East German for my taste.

YMMV.

Nice train, above.  Got 1000 more of them, plus about another 150,000 people needed (at the very least) to find, arrest, and transport your deportees south.

Weren't you advocating SMALLER government before, or did I miss that?

[Ray]

Oh, the Nattering Nabobs of Negativism!   

Yeah, 700 miles still doesn't translate into 1951 miles for me.

Christopher, you keep smoking that weed and it’ll translate into anything you wish…

but that fence would have to be manned, and I mean massively, 24/7. Where do we get the personnel? If you have 12 people per mile (and that translates into a measly 4 people per mile because you have to have shifts), that's 8400 people, plus support personnel. You're talking a good 10,000 to 12,000 people. We can barely find 21,000 troops to surge with in Iraq, and you want us to put tens of thousands more along the border? Where does the billions of dollars for this come from?

Relax Christopher before you blow a gasket! Deep breath!   O.K., is that better?

It won’t cost a penny. The Minutemen have already volunteered to man the whole damn thing and they have their own insurance too. And Taco Bell has volunteered to cater their lunch every day for the next 250 years.

Nice train, above. Got 1000 more of them, plus about another 150,000 people needed (at the very least) to find, arrest, and transport your deportees south… or did I miss that?

Yes Christopher, you missed the train again! But not to worry, there are plenty more behind that one. There is a plan to temporarily turn the voltage up to 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 volts on the Tijuana Trolley tracks so the trains will be able to carry all 11 million illegals (and their pets) to the border in an estimated 36 hours. The trains are fully automated so we won’t need drivers, and California ex-governor Gray Davis has graciously offered to pay for the electricity.

The government also has a secret plan to offer a $50 reward to any American making a citizen’s arrest of an illegal alien and delivering him/her (with pets) to the nearest Tijuana Trolley stop. That comes out to a measly 550 million, which by the way is slightly less than Ted Kennedy spends on booze in a year. 

Any more questions Christopher?

[Ray]

Hey flagringo, great plan!

Send that to your congressman... 

[Christopher]

Just one question, Ray?  What are you drinking, because I want some.

[catz]

Guys,

 Take a chill pill on this one. It is obvious to all that you two will never come to any agreement on this topic.

Thanks much,
 Catz

[Ray]

Just one question, Ray?  What are you drinking, because I want some.

     

I'll send you a bottle... 

Peace,

Ray

[Christopher]

     I'll send you a bottle... 

Peace,

Ray

Somehow I think it's much more alcoholic than that....

[william3rd]

The problem of a sovereign nation has in controlling its borders will certainly not be settled on these boards. However, the sovereign has an absolute right in determining who shall come here and under what conditions that they may remain.

If the "food supply" is curtailed, then the "undocumented" will remain at home.

[doombug]

I just hope that when I retire in Spain, Colombia, or Haiti, the locals accommodate my particular wants and needs.

First, I'd like to be given rent-free board in one of those exclusive homes on the hills above the shanty towns.

Second, I'd like city officials to scour the populace for the most beautiful, fertile, twentysomething females, and have ten of them waiting at the airport to receive me.

Third, all restaurants will change their hours of operation to suit my late night dining habit. And a purge bucket will be made available next to my table for those moments when I bite into something unusual.

Fourth, every shop will have someone on hand who's fluent in English--and they must be dressed professionally, no shorter than 5'5", and smell of high-end cologne/perfume.

Fifth, dry cleaning for my 12'x18' U.S. flag will be free throughout the country. And when on display, it will be a crime for any local to spit, sneer, or fart in it's general direction. (Now should they torch my precious banner...oh, hell no! Death penalty!)

Sixth, country music and/or rap music, even they both give me an aneurysm, will be in continual rotation in the dance clubs, restaurants, taxis, and elevators whenever I'm out and about. I need to feel as if I haven't left home.

Seventh, the government of whichever nation I retire to will ammend property right laws to include this simple provision: My neighbors property is my property, too. Oh, and while we're at it, go ahead and ammend family law as well: Your wife is my wife, too.

Eighth, the host nation will be purged of roosters. I will not be woken before noon each day!   

Ninth, any cinema I visit will show my face on the screen along with this caption: "Please keep silent. [My name]'s in the viewing audience." And I will be allowed free refills on my popcorn and soda.

As long as my needs/demands will be met when I relocate abroad some day, then I don't have any issue with the fence hoppers getting theirs met here today. 

Fair enough?

[Disclaimer for the bleeding hearts: I am hardcore, pro-immigrant--just like you. But, equally, hardcore anti-fence hopper--unlike you.]