columbia v philippines

[neil-uk]

I just returned from Peru, and it has been mentioned that i would have more success   in Columbia, for what ever reason,  Did any of the members here try both Columbia and the Philippines to draw any comparisons

I would be very interested to hear any comments



neil

[soltero]

Far be it from me to tell any guy where to go, but the majority of the hand holding is in Colombia. If a newbie is trying to get his feet wet, he would logically need to start where he has the most help. It is best (IMHO) to branch out from there after you have some experience in Latin America if you so choose.

I did not do it this way, as I didn't even know the forums existed when I first started, but if I had, that is exactly how I would have proceeded based on advice given and my own hindsight now.

I now feel comfortable going anywhere in South or Central America as I have a fairly decent grasp on the language and know what to expect.

I can't compare Colombia to the Phillipines, but I hope this helps anyway...

[papi]

Sol, Neil is not a newbie to the MOB. He has lots of experience in the FSU. He and I met in Peru and he is a nice guy who in my opinion just ran into some of the typical BS that comes with the territory. The optimistic club does not believe this stuff happens (read Neil's trip report), but the sharks are common everywhere. Again, it just comes with the territory like it or not.

Neil, despite what my friend Saint Chris will advise, please try colombia. I think you will find the results far different than Peru. Go to peru to eat good food and drink pisco. Colombia is where the babes are...

On the Philippines, never been but I was impressed with Thailand. I have heard good things about the Philippines but somebody was telling me all the girls he met from there online were hitting him up for money.

I highly recommend the following options for limited or no spanish:

www.tlcworldwide.com
www.calicharm.com

The smartest way to do this would be to attend the TLC combo Barranquilla/Cali tour and stay at Cali Charm instead of the hotel. You will meet a ton of babes!

suerte,

papi

[papi]

By the way, I know Ray will probably call me the spelling sheriff - but the country is spelled Colombia with an O.

[soltero]

Sol, Neil is not a newbie to the MOB. He has lots of experience in the FSU.

South America is not the FSU, so he is a newbie there. Unless I am mistaken, it's not the same, but I haven't been to the FSU, so how do I know. I would consider myself new if I switched stomping grounds no matter how much time I spent in one place or another. Women are usually the same wherever you go on a basic level, but environments and cultures do change and you have to change with them to a certain extent if you want to get the max out of what you are trying to accomplish.

[blockbuster]

Neil,

  Is Peru a beautiful country? Is it fairly inexpensive? Have you been to Arequipa?

[papi]

Is Peru a beautiful country?

i have only been to lima (3 times). I find it an interesting and pretty city is some parts. Miraflores is where the gringos are. You have beaches in the north and Machu pichu in the south. The food is fab! the local drink pisco is quite popular, tasty with a strong kick. Gets your date in a good mood

Is it fairly inexpensive?

Much cheaper than Colombia in my opinion. Some quality (clothing) is poor quality

Have you been to Arequipa?

nope

[el_ruso]

I am actually fascinated by Peru, and plan to go there in 2-3 years for like two weeks.  I want to see Lima of course, as well as Chan Chan with Trujillo, Machu Picchu, Titikaka, Cuzco and islas de Ballenas, and the Nazca lines of course, and Arequipa.  I kinda have a plan where I want to go in the next 5 years, and Peru is definitely on the list.  A day's ride north of Lima there is an area called Huaraz where there are beautiful lakes and glaciers.

As far as babes go, I have seen several here in Miami, and they just didn't impress me in the looks department at all.  I am sure there are beautiful ones, but I doubt anywhere close to Colombia.  I am not into seafood, and I don't eat Chinese food, but their grilled chicken with papas is pretty good.

Any guys here have done "normal" traveling in Peru?  Will I be able to see all those things in two weeks?  Are any other good places I didn't mention? 

[BogotaJim]

My experience has shown me that in both the Philippines and in Colombia many ladies who have ECONOMIC PROBLEMS ARE LOOKING TO COME TO THE US WITH A DECENT GUY FOR A BETTER LIFE but THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE Philippine LADIES ONCE THEY ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE US ALMOST ALWAYS WANT TO BRING THEIR PARENTS AND FAMILY TO THE US. THIS  IS ALWAYS HARD ON THE MARRIAGE FOR THE GUY.   THE PARENTS OF COLOMBIAN LADIES ARE USUALLY HAPPY IN COLOMBIA AND RARELY DO THEY HAVE ANY DESIRE TO LIVE IN THE U.S.

[papi]

My experience has shown me that in both the Philippines and in Colombia many ladies who have ECONOMIC PROBLEMS ARE LOOKING TO COME TO THE US WITH A DECENT GUY FOR A BETTER LIFE

True, in rarer cases a woman from a high strata might be open to a gringo but for the most part it is lower middle/middle most gringo motivated (unless you look like Pdaddy or the optimist club).

THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE Philippine LADIES ONCE THEY ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE US ALMOST ALWAYS WANT TO BRING THEIR PARENTS AND FAMILY TO THE US. THIS  IS ALWAYS HARD ON THE MARRIAGE FOR THE GUY.

I would question the accuracy of this, but guys on the Asian board should be able to confirm if this is in fact true. If so, I would avoid chicas wanting a visa package deal

THE PARENTS OF COLOMBIAN LADIES ARE USUALLY HAPPY IN COLOMBIA AND RARELY DO THEY HAVE ANY DESIRE TO LIVE IN THE U.S.

Agreed but some suffer from homesickness or can't adjust. Others may try to upgrade the gringo on arrival or have a colombian novio in the USA. The majority of times, it works out at least initially but getting past the 5 year hump is less successful.

[william3rd]

The age old problem of the anchor child is being addressed here for whatever country. Lets look at it this way. . .

Sailor Joe brings his fav to the US as an IR or K. He also brings her unmarried children under 21 as IR with some exceptions.

Fav becomes an LPR. LPR can petition limited family member in the Family 2A and B preference. That would be 2A spouses(she is married, so strike this one) and unmarried children under 21 if not brought already as IR, and unmarried children over 21 as a 2b-7 year or so wait in the category.

Fav becomes a USC. She can now file petitions for her parents as IR, unmarried adult children under family 1, married adult children(under Family 3) with their wives and children unmarried under 21, and siblings under family 4 with their wives and children unmarried under 21. Waiting periods under family 4 is from about 12 to 24 years depending on the country with the fils at the 24 year mark.

Mother and father arriving as LPR can now apply for the siblings in 4 as 2B if they are unmarried.

SO, one person can bring 50 in time.

 I believe that Bog Jim is correct in his assertion based on my experience

[papi]

William, i recall once you asking me to translate my spanish. English please! 

[doombug]

I've done Peru and the Philippines.

The scuba diving in the Philippines was great. And the fact that many more people there speak English helps. (Filipino/Tagalog and English are the official languages.) And you'll likely run into a lot more gringos/Westerners in the Philippines than in Peru. (Via the State Department: "There are an estimated three million Americans of Philippine ancestry in the United States and more than 130,000 American citizens in the Philippines.") The food...well, let's just say you'll yearn for the good ol' ceviche days.

But I'd never go back. Not to offend those who are fans of the place (please don't playa hate, fellas), but I too often felt a sense that people weren't on the up-and-up with me. Can't stand being taken advantage of! And trust me, Neil, if you think you got taken in Peru...well, just give CherryBlossoms a try before reserving those airline tickets. Tons of pinays hang out there, ready to "initiate" you.

While you're there, knock back a forty for my homies.

[papi]

The food...well, let's just say you'll yearn for the good ol' ceviche days.

your humor does not go unnoticed by this reporter...lol

[papi]

From what I am reading...and I trust Doom on this i'd say skip the Philippines. If you Asia, go to Thailand but you would need to spend more time there to get the lay of the land and find wifey material. They all will love you a long time but it takes a little time to find a good girl. I had offers to teach English in Vietnam or work in sales but decided against it yet I bet it too is promising

[william3rd]

USC- University of Southern California
or UNITED STATES CITIZEN
IR- infra-red or IMMEDIATE RELATIVE OF USC (see above)
LPR- lawful permanent resident
Preference categories- alien relatives eligible to emigrate based on an annual quota for their family relationships .

[papi]

lol!

[el_ruso]

What's wrong with bringing her family to the States?  As long as they can support themselves it will be great.  You will have free and loving daycare for the kids.

[papi]

Ruskie, you ever considered opening an orphanage? i'd might be open to investing 

[el_ruso]

Maybe if I will have enough money not to be working it would be a good idea.

Seriously, what's wrong with bringing the girl's family to the States? 

[papi]

Seriously, what's wrong with bringing the girl's family to the States?

whatever floats your boat. Build an Ark for all i care and bring the pets too 2 x 2

[el_ruso]

On Pets I am not sure.  I have leather italian furniture  .

[papi]

What, you don't like pets 

i was talking to an amigo of mine. His latina in the USA wants one of those cats that don't have hair and also a pot bellied pig. Not sure those would mess up your furniture.

i love dogs but am allergic to cats. You don't have much to worry about though...they don't eat dogs in colombia as far as I'm aware yet it seems pets are not held in the same regard as the USA. Although, I did recently see a hired dog walker in Bogota walking a bunch of yuppie puppies

[el_ruso]

I like fish and cats.  I used to have both and they got along very well.  I like birds, but don't like to clean after them.  Dogs I generally don't like.  My girl has a small dog and a prairie dog type of an animal (ardilla robertson).  And the kid has a small fish tank and a bird.

I can't get a fish tank or pets because I travel often.

[flipflop]

I think my situation is different because I live in a very rural area. I dont see any of the immigration of extended family being talked about here. Among the 20 or so Philippino couples we associate with I think there are a couple of Mother in Laws that have made it over. Maybe its different in places with larger populations but I always understood that it takes years or even decades to get to the top of the waiting lists.

My thing would be language. Im not learning a new language and im not going after a women who doesnt speak English. Communication is to important in a relationship to try and make it work without being able to understand your partner. Hell my wifes English is better than most Americans but because of dialect, slang and accent we are both constantly saying "huh" to each other. That sh1t gets frustrating after 5 years, I have no funkin idea how peolple make it work when they dont speak the same language. So no matter where shes from I'd go for women that I can talk with