Responsibility is on the Agency Owner, Woman or You

[Calipro]

I guess my experiance with agencies has been better than most simply because the only thing that I asked of them was simply to put hot women in front of me and get the hell out of the way.

Of course I always told them which women I wanted to meet and had them check to see if they were available and often paid after I met the women on a per cita basis.

[Cali-vet]

That approach is actually the rule not than the exception at least it was my approach and that of everybody I know who have used agencies. The exception would be those who agree to pay for a translater whether they need one or not and are willing to meet the girls they are interested in in groups of fifteen to twenty at a time.

[Malandro]

Calivet,

so I have been going about this all wrong?  I have been picking the ugly agency girls and traveling by taxi to visit THEM.  I use a translator not because I don't speak Spanish, but I want someone to talk to in the taxi and buy drinks for afterwards.

I typically pick up 3 or 4 ugly ones along the way and head to the most expensive restaurants in Cali.   I limit the number as most taxis only have a maximum cargo capacity of about 1500 pounds.   

My strategy is to go out with the ugly ones in hopes that at least one brings along a pretty friend, but alas, when she does, the pretty one always leaves with the translator, or the taxi driver.      oh well, lets just say I slopped in the mud with more than one sow after dropping a few hundred bucks.  but hey,  thats what its all about ain't it??   but no matter which girl chooses me, they all get a free meal, drinks, and a dozen roses.

Here I thought that was the typical course of action but CP is saying that agency girls actually will come to see you!!  Why, brilliant!!!!

Dan, please change my moniker to Calinovice, or better yet, NookieRookie

[Dan]

Dan, please change my moniker to Calinovice, or better yet, NookieRookie

Careful what you ask for   

- Dan

[Jamie]

Flipflop

From what I read here Jamies attitude sucks and as a business owner I would never air such a sentiment about my customers in public.

Please quote exactly what you found disagreeable?

You are providing a service, that means you get PAID to  SERVE.

You are right I am providing a service and I being paid to serve and to be a successful business you need to do whatever it takes to satisfy the customer. Where do you hear or see anything differently?

[flipflop]

Like I said I would have to see a contract to be more specific about your agency. Ive never used one and If your original post is any indicator I would never have used an agency. You want to sit here and split hairs about what exact words you used that suggest you arent living up to your responsability as a service provider. There arent any, you win, you didnt say anything that suggests you arent living up to your end of the bargain.

attitude

go back and read the original post and check that attitude

[Cali-vet]

Yes Malandro that´s correct. Or you could just say you did all that on a gringo forum and then it would be true.

[Jamie]

Flipflop, if you call providing information to support what you say as splitting hair so be it. You won’t find the “exact words” that I do not live up to my responsibilities because I do. Just because I say others have to be responsible for their decisions does not mean I am excluding myself from the responsibility I accept and am held to. Would you agree what really matter is not what I say or think but what my customers say and think? They are the ones that ultimately determine if I am responsible in my duties to them. If only a small minority of clients thought we did anything less than what we said we would do than I could not survive in this business. 

As for contracts I am not sure if any agency uses such and if any did they would be of such a general nature as to be useless.

[flipflop]

So customers hand you large sums of money without any contract to outline the responsabilities of both parties.

what a scam, you are right your customers are responsible


If there were an enforceable contract you wouldnt be so flippant and evasive. Without such an instrument in place I would imagine you do as little as possible, its human nature and the American way.

[william3rd]

Contracts?!?!?!?! American way?!?!?!?!?

Since we Americans are all members of the great SUE Nation, I have to laugh.

This is a contract that would be entered into in Colombia. . . and enforced in Colombia.

And what would such a contract say?

I, evil money grubbing agency owner, will have you, naive gullible foreign tourist, meet local women who have listed with my company as being open to meeting/dating/marrying men like you. You will make your own selections. You will pay a fee for the service. If you hook up you hook up and if you dont you dont.

And even more hysterical- what would a Colombian court say?

[papi]

I, evil money grubbing agency owner, will have you, naive gullible foreign tourist, meet local women who have listed with my company as being open to meeting/dating/marrying men like you. You will make your own selections. You will pay a fee for the service. If you hook up you hook up and if you dont you dont.

LOL! I think Flip did Flop on that one...too funny.

A lot of what Jamie says I have heard from other colombians. A few guys were a tad displeased with me when I pointed out the situation in Central America, even though it is quite common knowledge to anyone that has spent time there. Nothing to get so worked up about

[rpcv]

Flipflop
Please quote exactly what you found disagreeable?
 

You are right I am providing a service and I being paid to serve and to be a successful business you need to do whatever it takes to satisfy the customer. Where do you hear or see anything differently?

Here's my example and here's your answer. If a respectable agency owner believes as another poster has written here in "good customer service", he or she does not respond as you have done below. 

RPCV:
So if a guy looks at an agency website, chooses a list of 12 women, pays the agency and discovers after he arrives that the agency can only provide him with introductions to (3) of the ladies on his list, is it his fault?

Jamie:
Yes it is all his fault. The man selected the agency the agency did not select him. It is up the man to determine the ability of the agency to deliver. 

[papi]

Yes it is all his fault. The man selected the agency the agency did not select him. It is up the man to determine the ability of the agency to deliver. 

well, that is a bunch of cow poop but jamie knows what needs to be done

[rpcv]

This is a contract that would be entered into in Colombia. . . and enforced in Colombia.

And what would such a contract say?

I, evil money grubbing agency owner, will have you, naive gullible foreign tourist, meet local women who have listed with my company as being open to meeting/dating/marrying men like you. You will make your own selections. You will pay a fee for the service. If you hook up you hook up and if you dont you dont.

That's a funny spin on it William.  

[rpcv]

So customers hand you large sums of money without any contract to outline the responsabilities of both parties.

what a scam, you are right your customers are responsible


If there were an enforceable contract you wouldnt be so flippant and evasive. Without such an instrument in place I would imagine you do as little as possible, its human nature and the American way.

FlipFlop; it's not as if other agencies I have conducted business with have had contracts. The owners just simply knew the meaning of good service and as such tried to make amends if something promised was not delivered. I guess they knew that a satisfied customer will refer other potential customers, etc.

One thing I have to mention as an example regarding this was the former owner of Cali Charm. A stand up guy by the name of Roy. I was supposed to stay at his B &B but didn't make it there because of confusion regarding my reservation. So I stayed at another place. Anyway, when I met Roy I explained my side of the story, he explained his and was very understanding. He said, "No Problem, next time you return to Cali if you want to stay here contact me directly." And then he REFUNDED my $100 security deposit!  

Bottom line: he received more business from me and from 2 buddies of mine as well.

 

[sean126]

Rpcv,
Wow, that was real good of roy.  Unexpected and he sounds like a good dude and a good business man.  I can see why you'd give him more business.

[Calipro]

Contracts?!?!?!?! American way?!?!?!?!?

Since we Americans are all members of the great SUE Nation, I have to laugh.

This is a contract that would be entered into in Colombia. . . and enforced in Colombia.

And what would such a contract say?

I, evil money grubbing agency owner, will have you, naive gullible foreign tourist, meet local women who have listed with my company as being open to meeting/dating/marrying men like you. You will make your own selections. You will pay a fee for the service. If you hook up you hook up and if you dont you dont.

And even more hysterical- what would a Colombian court say?

I wonder what a good agency owner is?

Someone that doesn't take your money if he doesn't think you will be successful with the women?

[rpcv]

I wonder what a good agency owner is?

Someone that doesn't take your money if he doesn't think you will be successful with the women?

I'd say it's a person who is upfront about the services his or her agency offers, believes they are responsible for providing those services and understands the concept of GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE.

[sean126]

I'd say it's a person who is upfront about the services his or her agency offers, believes they are responsible for providing those services and understands the concept of GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE.

I'd say that's a pretty good summation.

I, myself, was privileged to such.  Actually, it really EXCEDED your definition.  Here's the story:

Met a woman (a lawyer actually) through an agency.  Started dating/courting the girl. 
Came back about 3 months later to Colombia on a 10 or 13 day trip (I can't remember) to see the girl.
I broke it off on the 3rd day of my trip.  There I was, with about a week or so with no girlfriend and no prospects.

Anyway, the agency owner found out about my predicament. The ex. called him, I didn't.  I was sad, of course, but I told my translator that I would just hang out with her for the remainder of my trip.  The agency owner shows up on his own, without me calling him or anything and offers to allow me to meet more women if I wanted.  And the best part is....He took this initiative on his own without me crying or belly-aching to him and DID NOT CHARGE ME ONE SINGLE PENNY FOR MEETING THE EXTRA WOMEN!!!!

Talk about going above and beyond the reasonable expectations of a "evil, money grubbing" agency owner!!  Especially since I never even so much as hinted about anything to him.

I would say that also speaks volumes about someones character and sense of responsibility as an agency owner.

I'll give everyone one guess at who the agency owner is.      Personally, I could care less if he thought all southerners were uneducated hicks who had sex with their family members.  I was paying for a service and he exceeded any normal and fair business practices that I would expect....and then some.  All this WITHOUT a contract too.  So, he was not obligated, in my opinion, to do anything more.  I've heard similar stories about his business practices and his commitment to help his clients.

To play devil's advocate here....even IF he was the scum of the universe in his personal life and thoughts.....his agency and his business responsibilities are first rate. 

[william3rd]

uhhh- does this site have spell check? I don't seem to see it. . . .

rpcv- I am here in large part for the entertainment value. Especially since the Yahoo boards were dumped

[Nicks]

In the example of the 12 letter, and only 3 show up, i should think that the Agency Owner would take some responsability for the girls actions. Its like having old cheese in the fridge at the super market, the owner is responsable for having a up todate, and fresh inventory. Girls who are no shows, should not be on the list in the first place. One excuse is acceptable, after that she should be scratched.

[Jamie]

RPCV
What does another agencies non performance have to do with an agency that does perform? I am saying that I try to satisfy the client and I am saying if you choose a bad agency you are at fault for that choice. You appear to be trying to say that by believing you are at fault for choosing a bad agency makes me a bad agency even though I don’t behave as the bad agencies does. I do not understand this thinking. I have never said an agency should not be held at fault for bad practices.

If I were to use your exact example I would question how could any person believe an agency can guarantee he will meet any specific woman let alone 12. It is beyond the means of an agency to make this happen so if a client believes in such he is being foolish and should take responsibility for his foolish belief. At the same time an agency that tells a client he will meet certain individuals when he can’t control such is certainly misleading the client and not a good agency.

Let me now give you a real life example. There is this new agency that sells tours and a membership program in order to see their women. Bruce the owner of TLC one of the few reputable companies in the business told me a photo of my wife stolen from our website was being used as well as some of his TLC’s photos as samples of the women they would meet. Now from reading the website I would think only a fool would pay $500 to join an agency with very little information on their website so they can access women of some unknown numbers and looks.  I feel any man that joins this agency and becomes unhappy with what he gets is 100% responsible for his bad decision. I think little of the agency but that does not change the man’s responsibility for his selection. So again in such a situation you and some others feel I am a bad agency or I have a bad attitude or I would do the exact same thing as the agency you have a complaint about. I don’t understand such reasoning but I am guessing such reasoning is what gets you in trouble to begin with.

[Malandro]

A reading from the Gospel according to Malandro:

if you cannot meet Colombian women then you are truly disgusting and likely belong in a circus side show.  Being a eunuch would be your most promising option.  dispose of what remains of your manhood before you reach the level of psychosis of a deranged post office employee.

agencies offer nothing more than an opportunity and a single option of meeting women.  they are not women warehouses or delivery services. 

if you simply want a warm body I would suggest you look into becoming an orderly at the brain injury ward of a trauma center.

[Dan]

uhhh- does this site have spell check? I don't seem to see it. . . .

William,

Spell check should be right below the window where you are typing - and just to the right of the "Post" button (Post -- Preview -- Spell Check). It says "Spell Check" as I am reading it right now.

- Dan

[rpcv]

RPCV
What does another agencies non performance have to do with an agency that does perform?

I've already stated mine. You are an agency owner, what are your thoughts?

I am saying that I try to satisfy the client and I am saying if you choose a bad agency you are at fault for that choice.

Good to hear you try to satisfy the client. And if you are not a dishonest agency owner, then you have nothing to be concerned about, right? But again, if an agency owner is dishonest, according to your statement above it is the client's fault for that choice. Where does the agency's accountability factor in this equation?

I have never said an agency should not be held at fault for bad practices.

Once again, another contradiction. According to our previous discussion, show me where in the excerpt below that you believe a fraudulent agency is accountable.

RPCV:
It is the agency owner who is not accepting responsibility as well and is committing fraud if they do not provide accurate information and honest service to clients. End of story.

If the ladies were never available to begin with, then an agency is advertising something that is not true. He made the best decision he could based on all of the information that was provided to him.

Jamie:
No he didn’t, he made a bad decision and did not get or utilize all the information appropriately. Just because others commit fraud does not alleviate your responsibility in accepting what was “provided”.

If I were to use your exact example I would question how could any person believe an agency can guarantee he will meet any specific woman let alone 12. It is beyond the means of an agency to make this happen so if a client believes in such he is being foolish and should take responsibility for his foolish belief. At the same time an agency that tells a client he will meet certain individuals when he can’t control such is certainly misleading the client and not a good agency.

It's also very disturbing and alarming you believe this statement as an agency owner. As a repeatedly have stated in this thread, I have met and conducted business with other agency owners that do not adhere to this bizarre way of doing business. This is how the following has transpired with them:

1) I see ladies on the site
2) I ask the owner if certain women are available
3) the owner check to see if there are available, (i.e, numbers work, are able to be contacted, in town, not dating another American, etc)
4) I pay to meet those ladies.
5) End of agency owner's duties and responsibilities.

Let me give you a real life example. I want to buy a 2004 silver honda. I check a dealership's website, see one and call the dealership and ask if it is still available. The salesman say yes, please wire $10,000 and it will be there when you arrive. I travel to the dealership to pick up my car only to find there is not a 2004 silver honda on the lot as was stated on the dealership website. Plus, the salesman does not want to refund my $ but offers a 2000 VW instead. Sound fair to everyone?

So again in such a situation you and some others feel I am a bad agency or I have a bad attitude or I would do the exact same thing as the agency you have a complaint about. I don’t understand such reasoning but I am guessing such reasoning is what gets you in trouble to begin with.

This sounds very defensive Jaime. If you are not a bad agency then why the concern? As for my reasoning, I am finally seeing how futile it is to debate subjects with you.