Latinos - Not always in the know

[papi]

I'm not attacking you but you are really grasping for straws

Zack, i am not grasping for anything except maybe a fine Cuban cigar and a smooth glass of Havana Club Rum. I have been to Central America a couple dozen times or more and reporting my observations. But don´t take my word for it, listen to the guys that live here with one resident of panama already stating that 90% are pros. Again, i don´t have the hard numbers but if guys that live here say the majority are pros then it stands to reason that the newbie gringo meeting a paisa in the cafe off of via Espana may not have encountered a cheek kissing virgin. On the other hand, i once believed in the Tooth Fairy myself

[papi]

Ruso, i am not sure pressing the moderator button is going to work with you. So how do Russians settle blood feuds? 12 paces at high noon? I guess i can handle it if soltero will pop buttered popcorn, another item lacking in Cali besides ketchup

[el_ruso]

You have stated, specifically:

"What I can tell you is that many young ladies from Colombia leave the country to ply their craft in Central America"

"Many young colombianas travel to CA to ply their trade"

You might have stated for instance: colombian prostitutes travel, but you intentionally used "young colombianas".  Why?  In your skewed world young colombianas = prostitutes.  You somehow ASSUME that others will understand the "young colombianas' craft" or "young colombianas' trade" as prostitution.  You seriously assume that every colombiana is a working or a potential prostitute - and that's offensive, derogatory and sick!  That's why you treat the colombian women the way you do (the camera story is the latest example), and that's your lot in life seems to end up with them - self-fulfilling prophecy.  You are probably not good enough for any non-pro young colombiana.  And I doubt that your conversation in San Jose with a Nicaragua girl (that began this thread) started and ended in a cafe and whatever she was telling you BTW might not be 100% true - women in that profession are not necessarily always honest with their clients.  Also I have a good idea in what type of an establishement you were when you ran into the "sports figure".  I hope you are careful and don't get desease like that - seriously.

[P Daddy]

with all due respect Papi, I'm not sure how anyone could come up with the 90% figure, it seems pretty high to me as I posted earlier.  I mean, just a little common sense will tell you that a figure like that is more than likely exagerrated.  Have you and Nicks interviewed EVERY Colombiana that has entered Panama over the last few years??  Can you tell if a woman is Colombian, Panamanian, or a Nica just by glancing at them??  Yes maybe a Colombiana on via España is a prostie (I assume that's a prostitute area) but do you ever frequent areas of Panama where prostitutes don't frequent??  (that's not meant to be an offensive question, just merely a question)...I'm sure you'll meet many Colombianas who work in shops, as hairdressers, MODELS, hotel clearks, etc...

I've lived in Atlanta for 27 years, but it would be ridiculous for me to make generalizations like: what percentage of black men are in inter-racial relationships, or how many strippers are prostitutes, or what percentage of latin people here are illegal immigrants.  There is NO WAY you can accurately state this just by observation.

The more I read this forum, and others, the more I think there is just a lack of plain common sense amongst some people.  Not the fault of "public education" as Daytrader claimed...LOL

[Fuzzyone]

Dan, with all due respect, I stand by my post which was in response to the statement that the word Craft was derogatory when in fact there is a wide body of scholarly work using the same definitions. If you wish to deep-six the post, it is your sandbox. Frankly, while i happen to like you and your efforts at controlling the attacks/insults, I have larger worries and frankly don´t give a damn my dear.

   Papi

    You are wrong Patrick would never had let you get this far and you know it. You have been pushing this P4P for a little while and it is getting old. This is suppose to be a forum for guys looking for wifes not Pro, there is plenty of forums out there that will gadly cater to your taste of P4P!

[P Daddy]

Papi, I want to be clear...you get attacked alot on these forums, and my retorts on this topic shouldn't be viewed with the same motives as others...I don't think it's a secret now that I HATE generalizations and stereotypes.  I HATE the thought of people reading this forum and taking your word on this topic as gospel, then traveling to Panama and running into a Colombiana who is living and working there, and is NOT a prostitute...then this gringo automatically thinks that this Colombiana IS a prostitute based on your 90% figure...not very fair to the Colombiana...MANY, MANY gringos travel to Central America for mongering reasons, and this is widely known amongst the population there...How would you feel if everytime a native met you they automatically assumed you were there for P4P??  You wouldn't like it would you??

Now, I'm not denying that there is a large number of Colombianas that travel to Panama for prostitution...but it is NO WHERE near 90%...and yes, if you go where the prosties are, there is a good chance you'll meet alot of Colombianas...but if you go OTHER PLACES, you'll also meet Colombianas with NORMAL jobs...

I could just see a gringo meeting my girlfriend in Panama a few years back...him asking you "where you from"...her reply "Colombia", then him assuming she's a prostitute, then propositioning her...He would have walked away with the minimum of a black eye, if not something worse ...That's why I love her...she takes no s*%t off me, nor anyone else...

[el_ruso]

P Daddy,

I could not agree more.  If one lives on a pig farm, he will only know pigs.

[Ray]

Ruso, i am not going to respond to your continued attacks... I am just going to press the Report to Moderator button instead.

Uh, you just did respond...

Papi, if you are going to "press the moderator button instead", then why not just do it instead of making a big dramatic announcement about it???   

[papi]

Now, I'm not denying that there is a large number of Colombianas that travel to Panama for prostitution...but it is NO WHERE near 90%...

pdaddy, i never did a study. i don´t know what the % is. maybe the embassy has some numbers if the issue is so important to the forum. i did happen to ask some colombians living here what they think out of curiosity and their numbers ranged from 70-80%. Still a far higher chance than running into one in an agency

[papi]

the colombians i asked said the balance are married or working in other jobs. keep in mind that most probably don´t have family here or jobs lined up...the girls that have  the money to come here, are often involved in something more profitable. these are the facts...if gringos want to put their head in the sand...so be it

[el_ruso]

I think you were asked to explain why do you assume that the default "craft" of young colombianas is prostitution.  Please advise.

[Fuzzyone]

pdaddy, i never did a study. i don´t know what the % is. maybe the embassy has some numbers if the issue is so important to the forum. i did happen to ask some colombians living here what they think out of curiosity and their numbers ranged from 70-80%. Still a far higher chance than running into one in an agency

   Papi

      You are the one that brought this subject up not us, we just want the facts not what you feel. Now you are trying to tell us girls at agencies are pros also? What do you think the percentage of girls at agencies are pros?

[ROLITO]

Are colombianas qualified to work in CR?

[papi]

Are colombianas qualified to work in CR?

good question - i don´t know. They can work in the "trade" discussed above without any hassles. I do not know about other areas and estimate that the % is very low. Some go to school. The same is true for panama but at onetime panama was cracking down on illegals. i think they have to put up $500US and can travel to panama on only a passport. They need a visa for CR. For what it is worth, i have met some colombians that are housekeepers, nannys and so forth. None in banking, finance, real estate or other career jobs but i suppose it is possible.

i have no hard data to backup my observations and don´t want to try and continue to debate the numbers with those that have spent little or no time here. i could write the embassy but i really don´t think it is that important. i am going to estimate that 2000-3000 women travel to CA from colombia and the majority do so for the reasons discussed above with the balance going to school, working in low paying jobs or married.

[papi]

... we just want the facts not what you feel.

i don´t have any facts. i can probably get them but don´t feel it is that important. i can only report what i have observed and others that live here have said. one resident of panama wrote above the figure is 90%, i tend to agree but could be off. i simply don´t have the hard facts but it is not uncommon.

Now you are trying to tell us girls at agencies are pros also?

No, i didn´t not say that. i am saying the incidence of meeting a colombian pro is higher in CA than in an agency.

What do you think the percentage of girls at agencies are pros?

good question - i have been fooled myself and they don´t walk around with P's stamped on their forehead. i think it is going to vary by agency but i feel the % is small, well under 10%. Again, i don´t have hard facts and I don´t recall taking a university course on the subject. I am not an authority on this area.

[papi]

so lets recap...

1. latinos and gringos can be fooled by the women they meet and their background (it has happened to me and happens to others).

2. colombians travel to central america

3. some if not the majority work in the above discussed industry. The balance go to school, work in low paying jobs or marry. Some i suppose are professionals working in banking, medical and so forth.

4. there is a % of pros in the agencies but the numbers are small

5. can we now change the subject?

[william3rd]

How about dropping this thread completely? There is very little here of any value to anyone.

[papi]

William, sorry to hear you feel that there is nothing of value above. I don´t have a problem dropping the thread. Some folks apparently thought i was disparaging a country when in fact i was reporting on the facts of emigration to central america. And also stating that both gringos and latinos can be fooled.

Another interesting offshoot of this threat might be to tackle the subject of trust. Latinas are often insanely jealous but don´t always act faithful, especially during the long distance nature of the process.

ps. i was thinking  on the subject of trust after reading about some excellent police work done by a gringo. if it was me - i would have given the chica another chance despite whatever images i happen to blowup in her photos she sent me unless she did not in fact rock my world. Until a latina really sees us moving forward and pulling the triggers, i don´t think we can count on them not to keep their options open unless again we are moving full steam ahead.

[Calipro]

Now, I'm not denying that there is a large number of Colombianas that travel to Panama for prostitution...but it is NO WHERE near 90%...and yes, if you go where the prosties are, there is a good chance you'll meet alot of Colombianas...but if you go OTHER PLACES, you'll also meet Colombianas with NORMAL jobs...

I don't know Papi all that well. We met on a flight to Cali and I could hear him three rows back giving some gringo his recommendations on which whore houses he should check out.

I think it's a fair statement to say that 90% of the colombianas that PAPI met in Panama were prosties. hehehe !!!

[sean126]

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOLOLOLOL

Sorry Papi, but that was funny.
Calipro....that deserves a vote. LOLOLOL. 

[blockbuster]

Good one Calipro,Did you two actually date some of the same women, or is Papi dreaming? I think he's dreaming.

 Papi actually sounds hysterical. I would'nt mind observing him sometimes. You get what you give.The women in Cali must still be talking about him trying to take back those running shoes.

[Calipro]

Good one Calipro,Did you two actually date some of the same women, or is Papi dreaming? I think he's dreaming.

 Papi actually sounds hysterical. I would'nt mind observing him sometimes. You get what you give.The women in Cali must still be talking about him trying to take back those running shoes.

I'm not trying to get down on Papi. But I think being a John can warp your opinion of women in general.

Papi never told me which woman it was that he thinks we both dated.

[Dan]

That's enough. Topic is closed.