PHOTOS - Of My Cali Diamond...

[daytrader]

P Daddy - Just to reiterate, I am not inferring that you are into "recycling" young women; there are those that are, and many times this is their modus operandi. 

DayTrader

[soltero]

Daytrader, PDaddy can speak for himself, but for the record, he is a stand up guy and a good friend. He is also a walking wealth of information and experience in Colombia. You can find most of his posts in the archives under his old moniker "Beenthere" so you can see he is not a newbie.

Also, not everyone finds what they are looking for straight out of the gate. Maybe it's just your sense of humor, but it does seem that you try to get in a rabbit punch here and there and then turn around and get a little sanctimonious about comparing yourself to others. I am glad what works for you works for you, and I see nothing wrong with it, but you are not the template for living right.

I have been dating my amiga for about the same length of time as PDaddy has been with his novia, and I have been in this search for 4 years. Are you going to lay some form of judgement down on me? Sometimes it takes time to find the right one, and that time is not set in stone for everyone.

I am glad you found your diamond sooner than later. That does not make the rest of us that have invested more time than you have mongers by nature or "recycling" young women. Besides, knowing PDaddy, he has no reason to settle, I believe has finally found exactly what he's looking for, and is one happy guy all around.

[daytrader]

Dan,

what is it with these guys with all these stars next to their names?  I have not personally attacked or cast any aspersions on P Daddy...why the defensiveness of Solterro and the misquoting by P Daddy?  This has happened again and again by dudes with multiple stars. 

Soltero, 100% of your previous post is off the mark, none of your suppositions and arguments have I even raised....

You guys know better or you have a reading problem. 

 I quote somebody, then clearly  state how they are in error in reading what I earlier wrote.   Guys, I am NOT impressed if you don't READ what somebody WRITES.  Some of you guys need to go back to composition class.  Others, if they can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, my bullhorn has 'D' batteries just like yours.

This thread started with me sharing pictures of my Cali Diamond; proving how off track the guys with multiple stars can take a thread off topic.  Proves my point in Spades. 

DayTrader

[soltero]

Dan,

what is it with these guys with all these stars next to their names?  I have not personally attacked or cast any aspersions on P Daddy...why the defensiveness of Solterro and the misquoting by P Daddy?  This has happened again and again by dudes with multiple stars. 

Soltero, 100% of your previous post is off the mark, none of your suppositions and arguments have I even raised....

You guys know better or you have a reading problem. 

 I quote somebody, then clearly  state how they are in error in reading what I earlier wrote.   Guys, I am NOT impressed if you don't READ what somebody WRITES.  Some of you guys need to go back to composition class.  Others, if they can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, my bullhorn has 'D' batteries just like yours.

This thread started with me sharing pictures of my Cali Diamond; proving how off track the guys with multiple stars can take a thread off topic.  Proves my point in Spades. 

DayTrader

Daytrader, I apologize if you found my post defensive, but if you did, you are just as off the mark as you claim me to be. It's been a long time since I have been in school, but I would probably not be that far off in assuming that it may have been a little longer for you. You may need to be a little clearer when you use words like "infer" incorrectly as it is synonymous with allude or suggest (I see you edited that from "inferring" to "not inferring", so maybe it was just a typo). That one particular portion was a little unclear especially since you say that you were not trying to say anything untoward in your post with reference to PDaddy.

My post was not about that, really. It was about what was stated therein and you could probably allow it to stand alone as it was more a character assessment (First part, PDaddy, last part, You) than a retort with one or two questions thrown in. If I am the only one to find you a tad sanctimonious, then it should not bother you. It is my opinion, and I don't see where it should upset you. If it did, then that was not my intention. I tend to be honest about what I think, and this has no bearing on my continued good wishes for you and your lady. Also, I was the same way before there were any stars by my name as a perusal of the archives might illuminate, but I doubt you feel there is anything worth learning in the archives, again, just my opinion. You seem to know exactly what you want and how to get it, and there's nothing wrong with that, but you give the impression (and again, my opinion) that no one else knows anything (unless they agree with you). Maybe it's just perception on my part and faulty, but I hope through further getting to know you through your posts, this perception will be dispelled. No hard feelings on this end, I hope that there are no hard feelings on yours.

[daytrader]

....it's hopeless... ....we have public education to thank for these posts  no doubt...oh, well, I'll start planning the San Andres trip manana....

DayTrader

[papi]

DT, a rather sarcastic reply. Let me help enlighten you:

1. These forums consist of a large group of men (and sometimes their wives) with a common interest

2. Some of us make friends with some of the members whether online or in real life

3. We often don't agree with each other and even encounter unsavory gringos we wish that we never have met online or in real life (at least that has been my experience).

4. The premise behind the forums is supposed to be about exchanging info and lending support, but often ends up in flames or off topic. Yet Dan does a far better job trying to keep things on topic

5. Some of the off topic stuff is funny to a point but usually ends up in an exchange of insults.

6. A lot of guys take great pride in having learned the language and the culture, yet they can get carried away with it discouraging gringos who are challenged in that area.

7. You were a newbie for the most part not long ago but often post like having the experience of a vet. Lets face it - your first trip to Cali was just a few short months ago. Pdaddy on the other hand went in 1994.

8. It looks to me that you had beginners luck in finding your diamond. I and assume others don't wish you any ill will in your MOB endeavors.

[soltero]

....it's hopeless... ....we have public education to thank for these posts  no doubt...oh, well, I'll start planning the San Andres trip manana....

DayTrader

Elitist and condescending is how you come off. I just thought I would point that out if you were interested. Papi has called me out for being similar on occasion, and maybe I was. I took it for what it was and try to avoid appearing that way. Prove me wrong and accept the constructive criticism so we can get back to congratulating you on your recent success.

[Dan]

Dan,

what is it with these guys with all these stars next to their names?  I have not personally attacked or cast any aspersions on P Daddy...why the defensiveness of Solterro and the misquoting by P Daddy?  This has happened again and again by dudes with multiple stars. 

Soltero, 100% of your previous post is off the mark, none of your suppositions and arguments have I even raised....

You guys know better or you have a reading problem. 

 I quote somebody, then clearly  state how they are in error in reading what I earlier wrote.   Guys, I am NOT impressed if you don't READ what somebody WRITES.  Some of you guys need to go back to composition class.  Others, if they can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, my bullhorn has 'D' batteries just like yours.

This thread started with me sharing pictures of my Cali Diamond; proving how off track the guys with multiple stars can take a thread off topic.  Proves my point in Spades. 

DayTrader

DT,

The stars next to a member's name has more to do with the NUMBER of posts and their longevity at Planet-Love than the quality of their posts. The "Appreciation" vote is more a measure of post quality - at least, for that month - and I note that every single person involved in this recent topic has earned some measure of votes of Appreciation for their posts somewhere.

I, for one, sincerely appreciate your sharing your experience - and enthusiasm - of your new lady and her family. I wish more members would join you (and Sean and Montrealer and others I've failed to mention) in sharing with us the joys and excitement of a budding relationship - and one that I am sure the vast majority of members here agree with me, in that we wish you all the best. Sincerely.

As for the sensitivity you sometimes see in member's responses - it may be helpful to know that not all the forums are civil. Some are not. Some of these same guys spend time at other sites, and probably receive a ton of BS. Some of it deserved, and some not. My sense is that it heightens their sensitivity to attacks - real or preceived - and there is some amount of over-reaction which results.

The best solution is to NOT *react* to things - but rather, to reason them out whenever possible. If you ever find yourself ready to pop a cork, just take a break or hit the "Report to Moderator" button, or some OTHER action besides retaliating.

I know that is easier said than done - but I also know that, with all that has been written and claimed about me over the years, and which I know to be false - it is possible to contain oneself even in the face of a flaming arsehole.

FWIW

- Dan

[papi]

Papi has called me out for being similar on occasion, and maybe I was.

Soltero, few of us are perfect...except Dan of course...hehe

I wish more members would join you (and Sean and Montrealer and others I've failed to mention) in sharing with us the joys and excitement of a budding relationship

Hey, what about the joy of my cyber-novia?

[P Daddy]

P Daddy -- I never generalized in my earlier post concerning 20+ years difference between young hotties & 40-plus guys.. I was specific and STATED that it was anecdotal evidence. 

For your info, my Cali Diamond is 18 years younger than I am and it was never an issue between us or her familia. 

Not seeing ONE couple, whether local or gringo in 1 month of staying down in Cali right down the street from UniCentro or Chipichape, I am dubious of your claims.  Going to soccer games and bullfights and not seeing a single example of this phenomenon in large stadiums -- I don't doubt you but I still consider your info dubious. --- a question comes to mind (and it's none of my business, but you gave the info)...why 60 trips [I assume business reasons for the most part] over 22 years and a guy of your experience is in a relationship for 16 months?   Are you willing to grow old with a gal, or are you into 'recycling' your ladies?  Maybe we have different values, I am into a lifetime commitment vs a guy recycling his babes every few years -- in which case this whole discussion doesn't apply to my thread.

Timing is everything, LOL! You'll definitely have a better chance of seeing gringos in the North side of Cali, I think most people know that (hopefully you do as well). Every time I am Northside during the middle of the day, there's a good chance to see a gringo if near a upper end restuarant in the Chipichape area. 

I refer you to my Cali Diamond trip report, which saw repeated examples of guys attempting to do what you say commonly exists, and they were SHOT DOWN 100% of the time!  They were always stood up on the 2nd or 3rd date by the young hottie.  In the case of another guy, he had been down 5 times before, exclusively dated young hotties, knew spanish well, and got shot down 100% of the time on each of his 5 trips.  Ask Isabel at ACG!  I even stated in said trip report that this was anecdotal. 

So, I stand behind my statement, after spending a month in Cali, there is no anecdotal evidence of an over 40 guy getting a young hottie with no kids in Cali, Colombia.  If the reader wants to spend thousands of dollars proving me wrong, go ahead.  If you talk to Isabel at the agency and other single women in Cali (which I have spoken to dozens the entire time I was down there), there are NO takers for this premise.  But I will concede to you that you know of some! 

The point of all this was NOT about Colombians dating Colombians with a substantial age difference, but of Gringos dating Colombians, so I don't follow you at all there.  Again, you rebut something I never stated.   

I prefer Avianca & they've always been on time, 2nd best is American with a Bogota flight crew -- P Daddy, which airline is your favorite? 

Regards,

DayTrader

Wow Daytrader, where do I start??  I'm not sure where you came up with 22 years, but my math says 2006 (or 2007) less 1994 is more like 12 years. A credit to your "public education" no doubt...  but I'll cut you slack on the math error, but I won't be taking any stock tips from you because of that 
 
No, no business, just in love with the country and the women.  Re-cycling women??  If I wasn't in such a good mood today I might be offended.  I'm not one to air dirty laundry on the internet, so I won't go into any of the relationships, good or bad that I have had that consumed most of these trips. Many were just vacations (why does a trip to Colombia equal a trip to find a wife anyway???), not looking for a relationship... I'm just a little different and selective for the most part and I know what I'm looking for when I do want a serious relationship.  I'm sure you've heard the expression "you have to open a hundred oysters to find a pearl"...well sometimes it happens after opening the first oyster (your case), and sometimes it happens after the 100th or 100 and fifth (maybe my case, and I enjoyed opening each  )...no my friend, I'm not into re-cycling women, just like I would never say that you are desperate for falling for the first one that catches your fancy (we are all different)...
 
If you met me in person maybe you would understand me a little more...I, for one, think it's great that I've been with the same girl for 16 months.  With all due respect, let's talk 16 months from now and we'll see how your relationship is.  You've spent a month in Cali, so now your an expert on everything...you went to a bullfight and saw no couples with huge age differences, so it just doesn't happen...and my info is DUBIOUS??  Ok, Daytrader...and I think you missed my point regarding not seeing any gringos in Cali...my point was I spent 20 days there and saw no gringos, so does that mean there weren't any?? no...and you spent a month there and saw no 40 something men with 20 something hotties, so does that mean there aren't any...no, AGAIN.
 
And back to this re-cycling thing...so you have better values than me because in the last 7 years (since my last committed relationship) I haven't met the girl I wanted to have a life long committment with??  Maybe you'd rather me marry a women I wasn't that crazy about and then post here on how unhappy her and I are, then get railed by everyone here , that is, getting criticized for marrying a women I wasn't 100% in love with.
 
Daytrader, as I stated, I'm happy for you, I think your wife is very attractive...but remember, the first few months of any relationship is "peachy" or in spanish "color de rosas"...These long distance relationships are never easy. (read: don't be so cocky)...  You also have the language barrier to deal with.  I hope that 16 months from now you are still with your Cali Diamond...
 
Again, I am not offended by your post...I have way too much experience in Colombia for a "green horn" to come on this board and call my information "dubious", to be offended.  Hopefully you won't take offense at the term "green horn", but compared to me, you are.
 
Airlines?? That's a boring topic...I 'd rather talk about my "re-cycling" of women...but, since you asked, If I'm going to spend time in my apartment in Bogota I fly Delta direct from Atlanta...if I'm going to Cali, I fly American via Miami (which I HATE)...
 
I guess if we ever meet up in Cali, I will set a precedent with you, that is, the first 40 something gringo you ever met with a 20 something "hottie", and who is not a "customer"   And, if I meet you and your Cali Diamond I'll try to assume that SHE is NOT in this relationship for financial security for herself and her two children.
 
 
 

[sean126]

DT,
San Andres?  You lucky dog. I've been wanting to go there myself.  I hear it's very nice.  Is it a vacation for you and your sweetie...or will there be wedding bells? 

[daytrader]

Hey Sean....yeah the trip looks like fun, I've got good feedback from everyone I've asked about how they liked their stay there....no, we're going slow for the kids' sake, I think 4th quarter this yr...and since she has her biz nearby we need to get away just to have good family time. 

I really want to get a boat someday to do day cruises in the Carrib  like I had my last time I lived in FLA (a Proline 251)  -- maybe Cartegena or San Andres is a possibility for a berth.  Around Miami where I now live would be nice, but I shudder think the gas bill from FLA to San Andres!

DayTrader

[papi]

San Andres?  You lucky dog. I've been wanting to go there myself.

Hi Sean, I have been to SA twice and really like it. But if my cyber-novia was in the USA, I can think of a lot better places to take a woman. SA is good for those under travel restrictions. Yet, again my preference would be to go elsewhere if my girl can travel. Yet, it is cheap and the Caribbean.

[el_ruso]

DT,

I don't remember all the details about Pdaddy, but you indeed got a wrong impression of him I think.  I think you are a thoughtful and serious person, and I am sure your relationship will work out and bring you much happiness.  I agree mostly with your views and values, am even impressed with them, but don't be so quick to judge someone you don't really know.

Whenever you criticize large age gaps, you must realize that a lot of guys here are over 40, and a possibility of dating a very young girl is what pushes many of them to go to Colombia in the first place!  That is THE main reason they are in this!  And if someone says to them that it's not going to happen, or that it's wrong, it really strikes their nerve.  For some, this is like their last and biggest hope.  Some achieve their dream, many don't.  Frankly, if a man has experience and stability, has managed to take care of his looks, it is very possible because for a number of reasons such a man could be very desirable to an average colombiana.  I would think that men who were successful in their 20's and 30's would be likely successful in their 40's as well.  As an extreme example, Clooney probably would not have a problem dating a VERY hot 20 yo colombiana.  But guys like Clooney are more of an exception than a rule.  

However, there is a good number of losers who mindlessly and desperately throw around dollars, and those are the ones that fail and whine or end up marrying gold diggers.  They are often the ones who don't see a woman as more than a sperm receptacle, so they deserve what they are (and not) getting.  The problem is that they are the ones who affect our reputation as a group, and normal guys have to overcome it.

Good luck in San Andres!  You could also check out Tayrona, it might be cheaper and easier to get to.  There is also a place called Nuqui on the Pacific coast which is very beautiful and little explored.  Nothing wrong with San Andres, just throwing you some other choices.

[Chris F]

Enjoy your time in San Andres Daytrader. I enjoyed staying at Hotel Sunrise when I was there. It is one the best hotels on the island.

Please be warned however that it is very hot and sunny all the time and you will burn easily!!!...After viewing your pictures.....I would suggest that the airline  fly in a fifty gallon barrel of SPF50 sunblock prior to your arrival on the island......

Just looking out for your health "Casper"........ ....only kidding!!

Have fun and again congrats...she is very beautiful!!!

[daytrader]

I don't remember all the details about Pdaddy, but you indeed got a wrong impression of him I think.

Not you too el_ruso!   All I am saying is that if this over 40 gringo and hot young latina is such a common thing, why don't I see it when I am in SA?  Why don't I see it at the agencies?  Why don't I hear about it from the buzz among latinas and familia that have younger daughters?  Why don't I see at the shopping malls?  Why don't I see it at the airports/airplanes?  Why don't I see at ANY public gathering ANYWHERE I've been in SA (admittedly a small sample, but still....) 

...and when I DO see it at the agencies, the guys crash and burn within 3 dates...I don't see it, therefore I don't believe it happens with any type of regularlity.  If it happens 2 out of a thousand tries,fine...but let's not sugarcoat the issue....it is a long shot...and a bridge too far for the non-Clooney's or Magnum P.I.'s unless they are very very very very very very very very fortunate. 

You make a good point el_ruso about who makes up this Board's population...I think there is a built in bias to perpetuate this myth for the sake of the MOB industry.  I'm sure a talented guy that knows espanol and has the resources can do it if all the pieces fit, but it's a real long shot for everyone else.  If someone doesn't know spanish and attempts this feat...that is a REAL long shot in my book.  But hey, I don't knock success or perseverance, if somebody succeeds, I am all for self improvement, no matter the odds...nothing I've written here is ever against that! 

There has also been a lot of talk, and el_ruso you mentioned that I may think it is "wrong" to have that type of age gap in a relationship.  Could somebody P-L-E-A-S-E find my quote?  I believe folks are misreading what I wrote.  I wrote that this country is 95% Catholic....that's  fact, not an opinion.  I wrote that if you were the father of the daughter in question, what would you say/think?  That's not a judgement by me; that is my perception of reality that any padre could relate to.  People are way too easily offended in this American Culture, -- as Rush sez, people are LOOKING to be offended --- that's one of the reasons I am a Culture Drop Out in the USA. 

I'm familiar with long shots, I think the statistics of daytraders is 98% washout with an average loss of $300,000.....well, I've done both -- in my early days I made a lot of money quickly, then went thru 6 figures in losses, crashed, but did not burn and have been doing well since.  It took 7 years to write a mechanical trading methodology that works every day on the one market I trade, so I salute perseverance, go for it! ...no matter what the nithering nabobs of negativism may say! (in this case, I am part of the nabobs of negativism, so feel free to ignore me if you have optimism and dreams) 

Another topic floating around these Cyberwalls is that I consider myself an 'expert' or something in getting a woman in SA...nothing could be further from the truth...talk to my driver/interpreter, he will nuke that thought totally.  When you are a foreigner, you must have a great deal of humility at all times, cuz, 1st you are going to make mistakes, so it's important to learn fast and 2nd, you are there to LEARN something new.  I'm just a naturally confident guy in how I communicate and I learn and adapt quickly, and roll with life's punches...that is unsettling to some people...but I am quick to admit I am wrong, learn from situations and move forward..If I am not moving forward I am not a happy guy...and the total time I am not a happy guy is maybe 2 hours a year.  (insufferable, aren't I?)  And don't forget God...He's there telling me constantly, "you are NOT as smart as you think!"

Regarding San Andres, My Cali Diamond does not have a Colombian passport; ergo, San Andres seems to be my best option.  I think Panama doesn't require a Colombian passport either, but I haven't confirmed that.  That could be trip #2 (or somewhere else, maybe the Coast) if things continue to go well. 

Yeah, I'm a spf 30-50 packer and experienced Florida resident (& boater), so I am forewarned about Mr. Sun...thx for the tip, --- any other advice on San Andres guys?  I'd like to impress her with my organizational and planning skills in a foreign land, lol.



DayTrader 

[utopiacowboy]

I have two Colombian brothers-in-law who are both in their late thirties and single. They are always out with a different chick, usually in her very late teens or early twenties. None of them are long term relationships. Most of the Colombian couples that I know and see are relatively close in ages although there are a couple of outliers.

[papi]

I think there is a built in bias to perpetuate this myth for the sake of the MOB industry.

blame it on the agencies.

any other advice on San Andres guys?

there is a ton of info out there. You might PM Zack for photos. If you are serious about going - I can give you a list of things to check into but we should probably start some new threads based on the direction of this post:

1. Teen brides for the ugly American
2. Conspiracy Theory (agencies and the MOB myth)
3. San Andres

[soltero]

--- any other advice on San Andres guys?  I'd like to impress her with my organizational and planning skills in a foreign land, lol.

DayTrader 

Daytrader, San Andres is a popular run for those Colombianos who can afford to go. The travel agents in Cali have a floating deal for the Decamerons for about $500 a person for the better hotels and a little less ($100 a piece less) for the others. These deals are all inclusive including plane fare from and back to Cali, hotel stay for 4 days and 5 nights and all meals and activities (some activities are extra, but the prices aren't anything at all). Your best bet is to impress her on the Panama trip, and let her go to a travel agent and set it up for the two of you and the kids that way. Less stress and avoidance of the Gringo Tax. All you should have to worry about at that point is your airfare to Cali and back home.

[papi]

Your best bet is to impress her on the Panama trip

fyi, there is a decamaron on the beach in panama.

[P Daddy]

Well, I've enjoyed the exchanges with Daytrader and hopefully there aren't any hard feelings.  I would now like to chime in on the San Andres trip.  I would highly recommend it, especially as a first trip for you.  If you are taking the kids you might want to seriously consider the hotel "Sunrise"...they have a few suites that might make it more comfortable for you, your lady, and the kids.  The large suites have a large master bedroom with private bath and a large sunken tub/jacuzzi.  There is a very large living room area with a queen size pull out sofa bed, along with another full size bath.  It is certainly the best hotel on the island.

Regarding Panama...my girl and I went there last October...I wasn't impressed and neither was she.  We much perferred San Andres and other Colombian resorts.  So I would certainly recommend San Andres...

Good Luck.

[blockbuster]

For some reason my post on this topic don't appear. hope this does.

PD,
   Ok, I'm gonna say one thing here . I think you're in a position 95% of gringos aren't. So you see things differently as you have had different experiences.You look much younger than you are,actually probably better looking than Clooney,fit,tall, financially stable. The reason a woman will be with you're gringo ass is because you're pretty exeptional.I have a couple friends like you. Guys who are in their 40's who are getting hit on girls in the U.S. 18+ and dating them. Latinas as well.These guys have no experation date with women. If they went to Colombia, their chances of getting played would be nill to none because they are girl magnets everywhere. But that's an exception to the rule.

   The reason so many Colombianas are dating the average older gringo or Colombianos is simply supply in demand.Too many young hot women, very few hot and financially set guys. That makes the women much less picky because she simply can't afford to be. The women who are picky usually end up alone,or are very lucky and hit the "jackpot" as your girl apparently has done.

  Now the average gringo or Colombiano thinking to bring back these young hotties to the U.S. will have to be able to keep these hotties somehow still thinking he's the man. He better be above average in one area or another. Supply and demand is now on her side. The U.S. offers lots of young,older  successful men, who are very attractive to women. But just about as many hot women. So now this levels off. The cool Colombiano or Gringo she met in Colombia may no longer impress her as she now adapts to our culture , So newbies going over need to have a little more realism of what they can realistically keep once they bring her back home. Success is'nt what you can get. It's what you can keep. How many gringos can really keep these young hotties once she's been here awhile and has a lot of gringos to compare him to? How does he measure up to other guys she can have now?Will the more she knows about him turn her off or turn her on? How well does he deal people? How good is her life compared to other women? Is it average,above average,below average? Believe me, those questions will run through her head whether you want them to or not.

 

[P Daddy]

Blockbuster,

For once someone posts something I can agree with 100%.  If I only had Clooney's money ...

I for one, would never bring a Colombiana here to live 100% of the time...NOT that I'm afraid of losing her (believe me I look around everyday here in Atlanta and I'm just not impressed with the men here, so I'm not really worried about losing her)...but, why live here, when you can live like a king in Colombia?  My girl is WAY too close to her family to live away from them, and I'm fortunate to be very close to them also.  You very rarely see wealthy Colombians moving to the US (only some for security reasons), since a wealthy Colombian can have a great life there (better than here in the US)...I for one, am never homesick when I'm in Colombia with my girl and her family.  I have very little family here, so my girl has no great desire to live here...only part-time at best.

My whole point has been that I've seen my fair share of 40 somethings with 20 something hotties, and yes, I guess because I can also get 20 something hotties here in the US, I don't think it's that big of a deal to do so in Colombia (like shooting fish in a barrel).

My question for Daytraders and others...at what point does a woman NOT become a gold-digger??  That is, at what age??  On these forums there seems to be a stereotype that all 20 something Colombian hotties are gold-diggers, especially with men 15 years older and up...but why can't a women in her early 30's be a gold digger with a man who is 18 years her senior??  Does something magical happen to Caleñas when they reach that age??  Would Daytrader have the same chance in the US with a woman (and an attractive one) 18 years his junior??  Why is it so out of place and rare AND risky when it's a 20 something hottie with a 40 something gringo, but all right when it's a 30 something hottie with a 50 something bald, out of shape, and "weathered" guy??  Is my relationship with my girl more or less risky than Daytrader's relationship??  Sorry if I'm a little blunt with the last few sentences, but I think this topic deserves some debate.  By the way Daytrader, you don't look too bad for being bald, out of shape and weathered, so don't take offense...LOL
 

[blockbuster]

PD,

 You're right.  An older woman can be a goldigger and the young one very sincere. I think it depends  On the level of financial ,social desperation of the girl .

   A woman will least likely be a gold digger if she has a lot of physical attraction to a man. If there is little to no physical attraction on her part,she is looking for something else to make him an attractive deal. That is usually where money comes in.If you took that exact same latina,moved her over to Miami for 6 months would she even give this gringo a chance? If you think she would, then she is physically attracted. If this gringo would'nt stand a chance in hell with his latina in the U.S. than his answer is she finds his money attractive by "Colombian" standards .

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....just for the record, I've turned down offers from 21 yr old hotties in the USA...no need to learn spanish, no need for a US Passport.  She would stay as long as the $ held out...so, at current statistics, she would be with me for the rest of my life + 30 years. 

...but why didn't I take what was offered?  cuz, I want a woman of God, similar Faith and someone content to stay outside of a materialistic society (ie., USA) to protect her kids.  If my Cali Diamond and I decide this is permanent, until the kids are out of high school, we will live in Colombia; after they're in college, then maybe part time in the US and/or Carribbean  and the rest of the time in SA. 

Cali Diamond's kids have not approved of any suitors for a relationship since the Padre left town (I have to take their word for it);  the kids approved of me the first day we all met;  Our first date was at their sunday church service.  No Gold Digging behavior on her part, but obviously she is looking to have her spiritual, emotional needs met and we've already talked about putting her kids on a glide path that they would not ordinarily have from their current economic situation. 

It's all surrounded and covered with Love.  I would consider it a gift from God to Love and help mold and prosper these two great kids that are now in my life.  These gifts from God are something I've earnestly searched for over 20 years, I believe I have found my Pot of Gold, time will tell. 

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