buying addresses

[dakota5369]

hi guys, first time here.  great info so far.  i was just wondering about the purchase of addresses.  i tried this a few years ago (forget the site) and just wasted my money.  i paid like $40 for 4 addresses.  well, i got the address and never received any responses.  of course i realize not all girls want to reply, but how do you know if the addresses are legit?  what if they are not even real addresses?  i ask because i have seen many girls on latineuro.com that i like.  however, i don't feel like forking over cash if this whole deal is a scam.  i plan on taking a trip later in the year, but for now, i wouldn't mind meeting a few girls this way.  input greatly appreciated.

[william3rd]

Look around this site, there are several sited mentioned here positively. You need to be more country specific. Each country is different,

[Patrick]

If you're going to use the pen pal method, you should write to many more women than four.  I met my wife that way around 10-11 years ago.  I probably wrote to somewhere around 150 women in all and paid far less than $10 per address (probably more like $1 per address).  Most services that sell addresses have deals for larger numbers of addresses.  You might try some sites like amigos.com or even match.com.   They're probably the least expensive of all.

Make sure you're really prepared to go to meet some women too.  Very few of the men who buy addresses ever actually get on a plane and fly to meet anyone and many of the women know it.   I'd suggest setting a target date for visiting a specific city.  Buy addresses of women from that city and write to them all, saying when you're going to be there in the first message.  Writing to at least 20 women if you want some responses.

[markanthony7]

As an agency owner, I would suggest that you inquire about the policies each agency has, for e-mail addresses and telephone numbers that are dysfunctional, will they correct or replace the number or address if they do not work? do they have a follow up plan?

[papi]

i have never bought and address but i know it works for some. i assume yu offer it...how much? any other thoughts?

[bundy_138]

Check out my previous posts "My Experiment Parts 1, 2, 3".  They outline my "quest" as I ordered several email addresses from www.calicharm.com.  It actually works if you are patient and confident.  Shoot me a PM if you have any additional questions.

Bundy

[markanthony7]

What I have discovered the correspondence industry is not an exact science, as the previous writer stated, some times it takes time and patience, many almost none of the young ladies have their own personal computer and unless you have a contact person to notify her she may not even know you have an interest in her, it works quite differently, a Americans our streamlined and progressive with communication, we do everything in a highly effiecent, time conscious manner but Colombians are very primitive and their cell phone situation is horrific!, also Colombians make frequent cell phone changes, at Amor De Cartagena we utilize a tech support system

[Ray]

Welcome aboard dakota.

If you want to have a better response rate when purchasing addresses, try picking out the ugly ones.

Also, be aware of the IMBRA disclosure requiremetns when purchasing contact info on foreign ladies. The lesbians are watching you! 

Ray

[carlcc]

Addresses are a hit or miss,  but at the price you pay for them they are well worth it. 

I recently had a deal fall through on a long term relationship with a girl I met on my own, not through an agency.  Since then I have been doing some "research".  I do not actually plan on marrying an agency girl however I may open my own agency sometime in the furture if feasable. 

In any case on with the story. 

The particular agency you mention 'latineuro' offers real addresses and real girls most of whom are very beautiful and desire to acutally marry.  I purchased the medium pacjage of 35 address got 25 responses and contiunued to hold conversations avergaing about 10 or so calls to each girl over a period of about 3 weeks.  Amazingly 19 of the 25 wanted to marry me on just a few phone conversations, some even directly asked me while others beat around the bush about the subject.  A few of the cutest girls had already in fact married of otherwise linked up with their new fiances.   

I found these girls to be very emoitionally needy, some to the point of seeming desperate and pushy.  I feel like I have heard every excuse in the book about why a person must get married immediately. 

All of the girls said that they had received hundreds of letters.  Just looking at numbers you must understand that unless a girl is loaded with cash to buy stamps she can not possibly respond to every guy.  Based on this sending a self addessed stamped post card might imporve your chances of getting a response.   

Some of the complaints the girls had where that the guys were older (and in worse physical conditions) than their own fathers.  I guess this sort of busts the 20+ year age difference myth that is heavily push by some of the agencies.  On the other hand all girls did say in their own words that a guys character was much more important than physical appearance. 

One thing I noticed was that most girls on some of the addressing agencies were also on other sites for free.  I discovered this only after talking with them.  Another thing is that some of them did not know what agency they were on because apparently their info had been resolde several times by various brokers.  Some of these brokers are excellent photoshop artist, who can make a girl who is a 5 or 6 look like a 9 or 10.  I verified this along with some frieneds by comparing the agency photo with the same photo sent from the girl herself.   Believe it or not Photoshop can do wonders to clear up acne, wrinkles, and other blemishes while also adding curves to select parts of the body. 

I hope I have provided a brief note on some of the good and bad, but the bottom line is: at the price of the addresses if you find a girl you really like it should be well worth it. 

[markanthony7]

I believe Carlc brings up a relevant point about "photo enhancement
 and picture manipulation " we call them "glamour shots", at Amor de Cartagena we use a basic camera and we do not utilize professional photos or photographers because we feel it is important to present an accurate depiction of the young lady and not a deceptive or fraudulent one , our galleries might not appear as professional as other websites but a least I can go to sleep at night, knowing I have defrauded no one

[markanthony7]

Regarding the new Imbra law, at Amor De Cartagena we utilize the refferal system where the actual contact info is generated from our contacts in Colombia, I as an owner do not handle or disburse contact info in compliance with the new law

[Ray]

Regarding the new Imbra law, at Amor De Cartagena we utilize the refferal system where the actual contact info is generated from our contacts in Colombia, I as an owner do not handle or disburse contact info in compliance with the new law

Could you clarify that "referral system" and how it exempts you from the law? Did an attorney advise you on this?

Ray

[markanthony7]

Amor De carategena is none profit, all the money from the sales go directly to employs in Colombia and the contact info comes directly to customer, I do not have or retain the young ladies info, neither do I convey it to anyone, if you go to our website and look at rates and payment page it says donation for the pay button

[william3rd]

Hmmmm- does that get around the word "facilitate?"

Donations. . . . . .

Well, if it works, then more power to you.

[markanthony7]

Yes William I am gainfully employed at GM for 29 years, I don't profit from address sales, this creates industry for my Colombian friends that are impoverished, also from my personally I do it because its a social cause issue with me, when women have personal issues they have somewhere to go to vent, address their concerns, divorced Dads get the short end of the stick a lot of times (broke financially and heart broke) so we try to create an alternative to the American situation and we more about male support that profits

[markanthony7]

Also William I appreciate your legal comments that is what this board is about, sharing knowledge to the mutual benefit of everyone involved in this forum , so if you have more insight, questions or advice feel at liberty to share with us about your questions and concerns and issues, I am not offended I don't know everything, I almost do but not quite, thanks

[william3rd]

Hi Mark- IMBRA is a pretty tough nut and I think it uses the word  "or facilitate" as in facilitating the meeting. You see, the problem with this law is that it is too new to really be understood. Everybody will be guessin. My feeling is that the USCIS will use the new form to collect data on the agencies, DOS will use the information on criminal history, and the agencies will be expected to collect the info on the US clients and make sure that the USC tells his fiancee about his drug and alcohol adventures, etc etc. while giving her the pamphlet on immigration. As to what the long term effects will be will not be known until somebody kills his alien spouse.

I can be wrong too. If you have a legal opinion that you are OK, then run with it. . .  Doesnt matter unless it is litigated.

Another way around would be to go the Yahoo personals route where the intro to foreign nationals is not the major thrust of the agency. . .

Oh, the world we live in-where we have to protect people that dont need protecting. . . . .

[papi]

If you want to have a better response rate when purchasing addresses, try picking out the ugly ones.

Ray, LOL! what, no cartoon?

[markanthony7]

Hi William , I did glance at the IMBRA law on the website of Planet Love, I only saw the word "facilitate" one time with in reference to how modern marriage agencies are growing in epidemic proportion, through the internet not necessarily that it was wrong to be a facilitator, that appears to be some what vague and ambiguous, also the law appears to apply to "Marital agencies", I don't know if it is applicable to "dating" or "relationship agencies" and non- profit agencies, this appears to be a good topic for discussion and legal amplification, I hope we have some lawyers that would like to contribute to this topic

[Dan]

Hi William , I did glance at the IMBRA law on the website of Planet Love, I only saw the word "facilitate" one time with in reference to how modern marriage agencies are growing in epidemic proportion, through the internet not necessarily that it was wrong to be a facilitator, that appears to be some what vague and ambiguous, also the law appears to apply to "Marital agencies", I don't know if it is applicable to "dating" or "relationship agencies" and non- profit agencies, this appears to be a good topic for discussion and legal amplification, I hope we have some lawyers that would like to contribute to this topic

Mark,

William *is* an immigration attorney. Also, he used to work closely with AFA for many years as their recommended immigration attorney.

Gary Bala is also a member and has made a recent post. Gary has a site designed to address the many problems of IMBRA.

And one other resource is the website for Online Dating Rights, found here -- http://www.online-dating-rights.com

- Dan

[Ray]

Hi William , I did glance at the IMBRA law on the website of Planet Love, I only saw the word "facilitate" one time with in reference to how modern marriage agencies are growing in epidemic proportion, through the internet not necessarily that it was wrong to be a facilitator, that appears to be some what vague and ambiguous, also the law appears to apply to "Marital agencies", I don't know if it is applicable to "dating" or "relationship agencies" and non- profit agencies, this appears to be a good topic for discussion and legal amplification, I hope we have some lawyers that would like to contribute to this topic

Mark, if you are an agency owner, I would strongly advise you to get some competent legal advice on IMBRA compliance. Don't guess at this shyt after "glancing" at the law!

[utopiacowboy]

Stamps? Addresses? Are we talking about writing actual letters, most of which do not get delivered by the Colombian postal system? If a woman does not have internet access, either in her home or frequently at a cafe, I wouldn't bother with her.

[dakota5369]

thanks for all the great info guys.  i hate to have to send actual letters, but there were a few i really liked on latineuro, and that is the only way to correspond with them apparently.  i actually joined latinamericancupid and that seems like a really good setup.  for just $25, i get a month of unlimited access to the ladies.  so i can add them to my msn and talk to them further.  hopefully i can find some i like and take a trip down there in a few months.  of course that leads to another problem.  if i line up 4 or 5 girls i want to meet, how do i meet them all without making the others mad?

[Ray]

if i line up 4 or 5 girls i want to meet, how do i meet them all without making the others mad?

Very carefully...

Seriously, just be honest and up front with them and if they get all pissed off about it, you just learned another important aspect of their character.

[John330]

Latineuro is pretty much a scam.  The reason they have over 11,000 girls, is because they absolutely refuse to remove anyone from the site.  So, the 11,000 girls is more like a running total since they started.  Trust me on this.  Unless a woman calls them up to bitch & moan, they will not remove any profile.  And what are the chances of a poor latin girl, calling long distance to Florida? Many of the profiles are several years old.  So there is a good chance that the address you purchase will be from someone who is married, pregnant or already left the country.    There are also plenty of duplicate profiles.  For example B4082 & B6566...same girl(her real name is Ivanea Jesus Silva...and she is a scam artist).  Also women run scams on this site routinely.  ESPECIALLY in Brazil....where latineuro is perceived as a cash cow, where desperate men can be suckered out of their money.  So do not send money.   There is no easy way for these women to come to USA.  You can't just buy a VISA....ain't gonna happen.  Normally, I would not blame the a web site owner for these type of issues.  But the truth is, the owners could care less.   Here is a suggestion...save your money, learn the language and just go there. Yes, I have used the site and have personally met with women who were on their.  The women that I did actually meet in Brazil...looked nothing like their picture.  But...the profiles are beautiful!!