medellinwomen

[papi]

Catz, I have tried to keep my comments as diplomatic as possible and appreciate very much you wanting to keep PL free of personal attacks and I highly support that.  I don’t feel the forum would serve much purpose, however, if business owners could come here and make statements that go unchallenged by their former clients or anyone else for that matter. 

[doombug]

As stated in the BQ thread, this FORUM IS A JOKE - that's my opinion, which I am entitled to.  The proof is in the lack of new posters staying involved - that is a fact, irrefutable.

*burp*

I know your supposed to be good with numbers, trend lines, and, most especially, dollar signs, but from what I can tell, membership at PL has grown considerably over the past year (currently standing at 1327 members; since 12/05, roughly 750 members joined). Furthermore, I've noticed quite a few new niks posting here within the past year--most notably since the forum upgrade(s).

Still, just to be on the safe side, I'm making an appointment with the optometrist tomorrow.

Peace wit ya!

[papi]

*burp*  LOL!!!

[markanthony7]

I don't know much about Medellin, I am considering a trip there what about the demographics of the city in relation to the temperament of the women, are these women more educated , independent and sophisticated than other women in Colombia?, is the city more progressive and has more opportunity for professionalism for women?

[bdman]

which agencies are medellin's best?

[papi]

i understand that AFA is moving into med. I don't know if it will be any good. CSH is the most well-known and their should be a lot of stuff in the archives - colombiansweethearts. Mde does not have a lot of agency choices. The playboy penthouse had a quasi agency in prior times but now i think they are mainly focused on the non-PG subject matter..lol

[william3rd]

Yep- like a metasticizing cancer, AFA has arrived in another city. . .

[papi]

i was looking at the pricing for their "tour" in CR - now that is funny. I went to a couple of those a few years ago but paid about 10% of their current list price. I think about 25-30 girls showed up at each "tour" and most were pooch material. I am sure they do far better in FSU...maybe CTG...but expanding in LA is a joke unless they are now delivering a much better tour.

[Fuzzyone]

Furthermore, the discussion was mostly about Medellin – how according to Jim (an agency owner from Bogota I might add) claims all the agencies in Medellin suck and are filled with knocked-up women with deadbeat ex-novios while in Bogota – all the ladies are professionals active in their busy careers.  Do you prefer strawberry or raspberry Kool-Aide?

  Well I have really not read alot of post from you concerning Bogota. I have seen plenty concerning Cali a couple from Barraquilla and 1 about Peru plus many about Panama.

   I also have noticed you seem to have a hard on for a agency owner from Bogota why do you really tell us the real reason and because he is insulting Medellin??? If you like the city that much you would not have been going to Cali all the time instead!

[BogotaJim]

I choose to live in Medellin because for me it is the nicest city in the world to live in and I am in a position to live anywhere I like.  There are about 25 other Americans living here who are single and we are in contact frequently with each other.  I have lived here full time about 5 months and the other guys have lived here much longer.  I feel qualified to give info about Medellin for these reasons, In an earlier post I said that I was disappointed with the agencies in Medellin.  I said this because as far as I can determine there are only 3 active agencies here.  AFA - A Foreign Affair has been here about 6 months and they have a very small database of about 100 ladies and they have quite a few American clients coming here because of their advertising campaign in the US.  Colombian Sweethearts has a big database, a website, and English speaking staff and for most newbies this would be the agency I would recommend.  The third agency is also new, owned by an American and run by a Spanish speaking local.  No English, no website, but spectatular secretaries, some gorgeous female members, and a fun agency to use if you know some Spanish.  Most of the Americans here use this agency and are happy with the results. 

Papi is unhappy with my presence here because he is the self-proclaimed expert on Colombia and in my opinion he often dispenses advice that is inaccurate and I feel compelled to challenge these inaccuricies.  Also my agency in Bogota is for serious guys who want to meet and or marry qualified, classy ladies and as we all know he is not a candidate for this type of agency. 

Happy New Year!!!

[william3rd]

They are not doing all that well in Europe these days. I think if it werent for the demise of EC and their other business "interests" they would really be hurting.

AFA even opened a "tour" to Bangkok. 100 girls on their site and having parties that real decent thai women would never attend. Fortunately the hotel they picked is equidistant between the two major red light districts so they can find some "marriage" minded girls for their clients.

Of course, you can get a nose job while you are "romancing" some woman of questionable past at the hospital nearby. . heheheheehe

[papi]

Papi is unhappy with my presence here because he is the self-proclaimed expert on Colombia and in my opinion he often dispenses advice that is inaccurate and I feel compelled to challenge these inaccuricies.  Also my agency in Bogota is for serious guys who want to meet and or marry qualified, classy ladies and as we all know he is not a candidate for this type of agency. 

I held back from speaking out against your agency.  It is interesting that over the years few guys recommend LLM and instead say your competitor is the way to go.  I wonder why?  If you want to call a flophouse a 5 star hotel and continue to over promise and under deliver, I too won’t sit by idly while you continue to give biased info on your competitors.

[Dan]

I held back from speaking out against your agency.  It is interesting that over the years few guys recommend LLM and instead say your competitor is the way to go.  I wonder why?  If you want to call a flophouse a 5 star hotel and continue to over promise and under deliver, I too won’t sit by idly while you continue to give biased info on your competitors.

papi,

Are those your FIRST-HAND experiences? Did you work with BogotaJim's agency and found the accommodations and services lacking?

Please be specific.

- Dan

[papi]

Hi Dan, yes, I was in fact a past client of Jim's agency, LLM. Let me put this as delicately as possible, you will stay in a dump (unless you upgrade to his so called 5 star hotel...LOL)! This is in part but not the only reason vets over the years have mostly recommend the other guy. He is only here to take advantage of gringos..it is quite obvious to me

[papi]

Dan, I noted that you ask for specifics. I will try to give you more:

1. I addressed the poor accommodations above

2. In my opinion, the agency will try to nickel and dime the client wherever possible.  A small example might be if the client chooses to upgrade to the hotel and not stay at his B&B flophouse, the client will pay double or more had he otherwise dealt directly with the hotel (Andes Plaza) and the hotel will include breakfast.  So in effect, if you deal with the hotel directly, you will get a room/breakfast for half the price or less than dealing with the agency, room only.

3. Jim like some of his competitors are charging in my opinion outrageous prices recently quoting an amigo several hundred dollars for a few intros and in my opinion borders on price gouging.

4. He claims that he has a GOOD agency with an updated/large database but many of his female members have been on the website for years.  I found his staff at the time average at best and certainly no better than the majority of agencies I have visited.

He did have a good man working for him but they parted ways...just like the guy that worked for him at onetime and went and opened his own show and gets most of the PL recommendations

[Dan]

Dan, I noted that you ask for specifics. I will try to give you more:

1. I addressed the poor accommodations above

2. In my opinion, the agency will try to nickel and dime the client wherever possible.  A small example might be if the client chooses to upgrade to the hotel and not stay at his B&B flophouse, the client will pay double or more had he otherwise dealt directly with the hotel (Andes Plaza) and the hotel will include breakfast.  So in effect, if you deal with the hotel directly, you will get a room/breakfast for half the price or less than dealing with the agency, room only.

3. Jim like some of his competitors are charging in my opinion outrageous prices recently quoting an amigo several hundred dollars for a few intros and in my opinion borders on price gouging.

4. He claims that he has a GOOD agency with an updated/large database but many of his female members have been on the website for years.  I found his staff at the time average at best and certainly no better than the majority of agencies I have visited.

He did have a good man working for him but they parted ways...just like the guy that worked for him at onetime and went and opened his own show and gets most of the PL recommendations

Even better if you stick to your own individual experiences - AND - state the details.

Instead of saying, "the agency will try to nickel and dime the client wherever possible" - tell the specific details of what you paid, what you think SHOULD HAVE been paid, WHY you think that is what should have been paid - and whether you brought the matter to the agency owner, and the response to your complaint.

There is FAR too much weak, second (or third) hand reports which represents little more than a bunch of cheap gossip. This comment is not explicitly aimed directly at you papi. I am just tired of all the petty gossip that is passed off as allegation and complaint against others.

Quite candidly, I am still not sure of your specific issues with BogotaJim. I recognize you have an opinion - but your opinion is not yet substantiated with specifics.

- Dan

[papi]

Quite candidly, I am still not sure of your specific issues with BogotaJim. I recognize you have an opinion - but your opinion is not yet substantiated with specifics.

Dan, i stayed there almost 2 years ago but will elaborate:

1. His B&B is a dump!  He calls it 4 stars on his website – I have stayed in a nicer Motel 6.  Again, it was a couple years ago and frankly I tried to forget it.  But trust me that it is a craphole.

2. On the nickel/dime.  If you upgrade to his so called 5 star hotel – you will stay in the Andes Plaza.  5 stars would be a stretch even in Colombia – more like 2.5 stars.  I don’t remember exactly what he charged me but I do know that it was double what the hotel was asking and the hotel included breakfast had I booked directly with the establishment.

3. A friend of mine told me recently that he was quoted $600 for 5 intros.  I also looked at his site the other day and again in my opinion felt his prices high.

4. In regard to the services I received, appointment setting, attention and so forth – I was neither pleased not severally dissatisfied – I give them a C/C- on the office

5. My impression was that he cared little about his clients satisfaction. This was best illustrated to me when the clients were bringing their own toilet paper to the agency because the office was to cheap to stock the bathroom with soap, towels and TP.  This shows poor attention to detail and very little regard for their client’s experience and well-being in Colombia.

[papi]

and whether you brought the matter to the agency owner

Part of the reason Jim is a poor choice is because he is a hands off owner. He lived in Fla and now moved to another city in Colombia which says volumes about his city/agency.

I didn't really want to get into all this...and tried to hold back but couldn't stand by during his disinformation campaign and continued personal attacks.

[Dan]

Dan, i stayed there almost 2 years ago but will elaborate:

1. His B&B is a dump!  He calls it 4 stars on his website – I have stayed in a nicer Motel 6.  Again, it was a couple years ago and frankly I tried to forget it.  But trust me that it is a craphole.

2. On the nickel/dime.  If you upgrade to his so called 5 star hotel – you will stay in the Andes Plaza.  5 stars would be a stretch even in Colombia – more like 2.5 stars.  I don’t remember exactly what he charged me but I do know that it was double what the hotel was asking and the hotel included breakfast had I booked directly with the establishment.

3. A friend of mine told me recently that he was quoted $600 for 5 intros.  I also looked at his site the other day and again in my opinion felt his prices high.

4. In regard to the services I received, appointment setting, attention and so forth – I was neither pleased not severally dissatisfied – I give them a C/C- on the office

5. My impression was that he cared little about his clients satisfaction. This was best illustrated to me when the clients were bringing their own toilet paper to the agency because the office was to cheap to stock the bathroom with soap, towels and TP.  This shows poor attention to detail and very little regard for their client’s experience and well-being in Colombia.

Papi,

Sorry, I am going to keep after this, as I believe it is important to NOT allow innuendo to stand or appear as FACT when making a complaint. So here goes....

>>1. His B&B is a dump!  He calls it 4 stars on his website – I have stayed in a nicer Motel 6.  Again, it was a couple years ago and frankly I tried to forget it.  But trust me that it is a craphole.<<

You still do NOT address the specifics. Was the bed too soft or lumpy - did you see roaches - was there feces spread on the walls - WHAT, exactly, made it a "craphole"?

>>2. On the nickel/dime.  If you upgrade to his so called 5 star hotel – you will stay in the Andes Plaza.  5 stars would be a stretch even in Colombia – more like 2.5 stars.  I don’t remember exactly what he charged me but I do know that it was double what the hotel was asking and the hotel included breakfast had I booked directly with the establishment.<<

This complaint is getting CLOSER to fact-based. One of the problems with international travel is being ABLE to make travel arrangements yourself. If a person has the ability and time to make their own arrangements, it is normal for them to make less expensive arrangements. If they have NOT the time or ability, then it is normal to pay for someone to provide that service for them. Some more facts would be helpful - such as what you paid for the hotel - and what you would have paid on your own.

BTW - do I understand that you stayed at BOTH his B&B and arranged a hotel through him?

>>3. A friend of mine told me recently that he was quoted $600 for 5 intros.  I also looked at his site the other day and again in my opinion felt his prices high. <<

This is the sort of gossip that I have no patience for. What a friend tells you is NOT something you should use to impugn or attack someone else.

>>4. In regard to the services I received, appointment setting, attention and so forth – I was neither pleased not severally dissatisfied – I give them a C/C- on the office <<

OK - still, some more detail would be helpful, so that your comments may be put in perspective.

>>5. My impression was that he cared little about his clients satisfaction. This was best illustrated to me when the clients were bringing their own toilet paper to the agency because the office was to cheap to stock the bathroom with soap, towels and TP.  This shows poor attention to detail and very little regard for their client’s experience and well-being in Colombia.<<

You refer to this as an "impression" - which leads me to believe you had no communication about your impressions. Your points about stocking the bathroom are specific - but I have to say, I almost NEVER find any of those items in ANY of the public restrooms I visit in Asia or Eastern Europe. Maybe in Western Europe - sometimes.

>>Part of the reason Jim is a poor choice is because he is a hands off owner. He lived in Fla and now moved to another city in Colombia which says volumes about his city/agency.<<

Once again - no specifics. Did you try to contact him? Are your comments because you did not see him in Colombia? Have you had any contact with him to air your complaints?

>>I didn't really want to get into all this...and tried to hold back but couldn't stand by during his disinformation campaign and continued personal attacks.<<

Well, it seems to me he has done nothing more than what a lot of guys do here. He made a few not-so-kind-remarks which were oblique in their delivery (that is, he did not name names) - and it was about his competition.

He, and you Papi, and others - need to stick to FACTS and SPECIFICS if you (or they) are going to engage in this kind of slur-campaign.

And not to be mis-interpreted - I am NOT opening the board to the never-ending slurs and insults seen elsewhere. If anyone is going to make a complaint - make it from first-hand experience, and explain it with facts. Innuendo, rumor and gossip will NOT be allowed.

- Dan

[papi]

Dan, I hear where you are coming from.  I am not going to elaborate further.  I was a former customer and felt that Jim was in no position to be commenting on other agencies based on my experiences at LLM.  If you look through the archives, you will see that the other guy is most often recommended. If others want to go, be my guest but if you read a hotel review on Travelocity, etc., and the writer says the place is a dump – I’d tend to have concerns over the comfort of the establishment.

[papi]

Regarding the TP – I was talking about the agency bathroom.  I have never seen clients bring their own TP to an agency cita outside of LLM

[doombug]

Your points about stocking the bathroom are specific - but I have to say, I almost NEVER find any of those items in ANY of the public restrooms I visit in Asia or Eastern Europe. Maybe in Western Europe - sometimes.

Last year, while passing through Paris, I stopped in some hole in the wall that caters to Yanks and goes by the name of "Monsieur Pierre's Deep Fried Escargot Shack." In the men's room, alongside the white-flag dispensers, I found--are you ready for this Papi?--a ketchup dispenser!

[papi]

a day without doom...is a day without....LOL!!!