medellinwomen

[papi]

Well BJ, your opinions are not exactly unbiased since you are active in the industry.  I am not going to defend agencies in mde but they are no better or worse than other areas

[BogotaJim]

Jim, are you not the owner of an agency in Bogota?  If so, some folks might question your commentary covering your competitors.

 

Yes Papi     I am an agency owner in Bogota and as far as I know the oldest active agency in Colombia so I don't need to knock competitors to promote my agency.  I enjoy GOOD competition - as a matter of fact - the second most productive agency in Colombia is located next door to my agency and we both benefit from  the good competition.  There is plenty of business to go around if you have a GOOD agency.  My problem is agencies who market in the US and  bring down nice young men and they have an inadequate database of ladies - for example the biggest marketing  machine  in the US has an agency in Medellin with about 100 ladies in their database and this is totally unsatisfactory.  The new clients are unhappy with the services and sometimes get a bad taste in their mouth about agencies.  All the guys do  however love the city of Medellin and the culture and the people.  Most guys have a limited amount of time so a GOOD agency will have a large database of active women and an efficient staff so the clients can accomplish their mission in a limited amount of time.  Using a GOOD agency is far more effective than trying to meet ladies at the mall, in shopping centers or nightclubs. 

[papi]

I am familiar with your agency – I used your services once a couple years ago.  I have also visited the other agency (your neighbor) on several occasions.  My concern with your post is not whether agencies are good or bad – but feel that  it would have been better had you made it clear when commenting on other agencies that you are in the industry. 

Regarding the biggest marketing machine you disprove of, my guess is that you are talking about AFA.  I am not going to defend them but imagine that their % of happy/unhappy clients is on par with all other agencies/tours.

Agency experience is going to vary by individual tour, city, agency, and so forth.  For example, some guys love the big tours others hate them. Personally, I have had both very positive and negative experiences. feliz navidad

[papi]

The database issue you bring up is spot on!  My favorite agency is Calicharm for the following reasons:

1. They run an honest operation
2. The owner is hands on
3. They offer nice, clean accommodations
4. Their staff is conscientious
5. They are very affordable offering a square deal
6. They are located in a good location
7. They answer emails promptly
8. They occasionally throw parties at no charge
9. If you have a problem, they will try to work with you
10. Their website while not flashy is easy to navigate

But, they need work on their database big-time!  Overtime I hope that they can improve in this area but my guess is that all agencies are having a difficult time recruiting female clients today and not because of anything a cathouse is doing in mde

[papi]

Moreover, large databases can be deceiving– some are full of ringers or the chicas are inconveniently not available when the gringo is visiting.  I once gave a list of 23 chicas to an agency I visited and ended up with 6 citas.  Many of my amigos have had similar poor experiences.  I imagine most vets are familiar with this matter but again I concur with your comments on the importance of having a large database

[doombug]

Those statistics are seriously out of date.

I said as much in my post. Finding the current crime statistics for two foreign cities for comparison isn't an easy task.

It appears after the cartels got knocked around in the mid 90's, the numbers changed quite a bit.



Final tally: Señor Pap snags a point for stats up to 2002; Señor Ruso snags one for stats thereafter.

So, we're 1 - 1.

Fart contest for the tie breaker?

[william3rd]

Their percentage of happy sex tourists and happy golddiggers are very very  high  . Their success rate is extremely low.

Their advertising can be extremely questionable. This whole thread was started by one of their shills.

Now why would they do that. . . . . . . . if they could emerge from the darkness?

[papi]

DB, LOL!

[BogotaJim]

The database issue you bring up is spot on!  My favorite agency is Calicharm for the following reasons:

1. They run an honest operation
2. The owner is hands on
3. They offer nice, clean accommodations
4. Their staff is conscientious
5. They are very affordable offering a square deal
6. They are located in a good location
7. They answer emails promptly
8. They occasionally throw parties at no charge
9. If you have a problem, they will try to work with you
10. Their website while not flashy is easy to navigate

But, they need work on their database big-time!  Overtime I hope that they can improve in this area but my guess is that all agencies are having a difficult time recruiting female clients today and not because of anything a cathouse is doing in mde

 

Yes Papi all of your points are well taken but by far the most important criteria for success is the quantity and the quality of the agency database - if the customer meets the kinds of ladies he came down here to meet he returns home happy and satisfied.  A GOOD agency spends lots of time and money building a good database.  Its also important that the agency recruits a high caliber of men - quite simply if you get good men its easy to get good ladies.  This is why the low budget agencies that appeal to tight fisted gringos always have an inferior database of ladies.  Most websites will allow the user to search the database of available women and if you seaRCH AND COMPARE CAREFULLY YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF SUCCESS.   


If you are looking to meet ladies 20 to 40 years younger than yourself stay in the smaller cities.  these ladies usually have children at a very young age and are looking for an older guy who can help them financially.  Very few will  be able to learn English.  If you want a mate who speaks English or can learn you are better off in Bogota.  Here the ladies are often childless, they come from good families, but their standards are higher in choosing a mate - they expect more than just financial stability. 

No matter where in Colombia you go, no matter how  bad your plan is, you are better off here than in the US hunting for a mate. 

[daytrader]

The comments by BogotaJim are "spot on", IMO (as a previous Bogota visitor)....I would expand on the Bogota comments - many women there are very educated...and a large selection is to be had from the "middle class" of Bogota -- middle class means they drive/own a car  -- and  a fair amount of them are bilingual, some have traveled overseas a bit and have a decent chance of handling the culture shock of being exposed to America's materialism and ongoing 'culture war' if you choose to bring them stateside. 

Drawbacks?? the weather/city is less than ideal (given the alternatives) when you have the obligatory trips back to their home to hang with mom and dad and the extended family.  Otherwise, go for it!

Way to go BogotaJim! 

DayTrader

[papi]

Jim, large databases are great if the women are actually available and not married, on vacation, having a hernia operation, helping sick grandma, moved to Mexico, no longer interested, have visions of grandeur and are seeking a 30 y/o Brad Pitt, paid models and so forth.  Many of my amigos including myself are often disappointed with the so called GOOD AGENCIES due to the unavailability of their female members during a gringos stay in country.  Keep us posted on LLM, any specials, parties and so forth or via PM.  Happy New Year

[el_ruso]

I like Bogota, and actually think that from a purely tourist standpoint it has a lot more than Cartagena, and has everything that Cartagena has less beach.  But there are better places to go to a beach in Colombia than Cartagena anyway.

Having said that, I have not been actively seeking a girl when I was in Bogota, but I did see that it has a lot of ladies from everywhere in Colombia.  Nonetheless, the girls "native" to Bogota are IMO not as good looking as in other parts of Colombia, primarily because the people there seem to be less mixed: there are a lot of European-looking people and a lot of Indian-looking people, whereas elsewhere the rule are the mestizos.  I also liked the climate in Medellin a lot better, and all things being equal, prefer it to Bogota as a potential place to live or find a lifemate.

Also for me a girl having a child is not a strike against her in and of itself.  If I like the girl, if I like the kid, and see that she is responsible with the kid, and of course if she wants more children with me, her having a child would not be a minus for me at all.  However, if the kid's father still wants to see and take care of the child, it would be a strong minus for me and I can't imagine tolerating it if I have any alternatives, but in my experience with Colombia it is more of an exception than a rule.  I also do not necessarily find a correlation between a girl having high standards and her having or not having a child.

[daytrader]

Quoting BogotaJim --

A GOOD agency spends lots of time and money building a good database.

he didn't say a "large" database ...he said a "good" database of women.  Keep pluggin' BogotaJim.  In a city of what, 10 million people, there are obviously a LOT  of good looking women there, right?  Your website looks like a lot of effort has been put into it, and the parties look well-attended. 

DayTrader

[papi]

Daytrade, Jim was also talking about a large database if you go back and read his earlier posts. If you wish to live in agency fantasyland after 1 or 2 trips to Colombia - have at it but I can tell you that more often than not GOOD databases large or otherwise are just that - fantasyland. I am not talking specific to Jim's agency and more addressing the industry, service and his earlier commentary.

[papi]

Daytrade, not to bust your new agency amigo's chops but you'd have to have a pretty good day in the market to afford his packages.

[daytrader]

Daytrade, not to bust your new agency amigo's chops but you'd have to have a pretty good day in the market to afford his packages.

---- you DON'T KNOW JACK about the index futures market  (Wall Street posted record bonuses to their employees and shareholders  -- my market moves 200% to 300% per 8 hours with a maximum risk of 20% of margin per trade lamebrain)...

I don't judge (know or care) what you do for a living, suggest you restrict the public put downs to subjects you know something about.  This whole negative attitude towards new blood in this forum is tiring and probably stops  a lot of visitors from even bothering to post feedback or comments. 

...from now on, I will totally ignore your comments and will never bother to even reference them. Your putdowns and rudeness is beyond the pale. 

Good Riddance Papi, you're not worth the effort (perhaps the too-young vaginas you churn thru have arrived at the same conclusion). 

[BogotaJim]

Jim, large databases are great if the women are actually available and not married, on vacation, having a hernia operation, helping sick grandma, moved to Mexico, no longer interested, have visions of grandeur and are seeking a 30 y/o Brad Pitt, paid models and so forth.  Many of my amigos including myself are often disappointed with the so called GOOD AGENCIES due to the unavailability of their female members during a gringos stay in country.  Keep us posted on LLM, any specials, parties and so forth or via PM.  Happy New Year

Papi you have me laughing now real good so i WILL ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF LADIES WHO ARE ON THE WEBSITE BUT ARE NOT AVAILABLE WHEN THE CLIENT ARRIVES TO MEET THEM.  This is a problem in Bogota but should not be a problem in the smaller cities because in Bogota many of our female members work for international companies and travel a lot - oftentimes to other countries. Thats why so many ladies here have tourist visas and are bi-lingual.   Bogota is home to 250 international companies and their workforce is primarily local women so this accounts for a lot of unavailable women.  They work long hours and   they come and go so I recommend checking with the agency prior to your trip to see if particular ladies will be available when you arrive.  Our clients notify us when they are arriving and they also e-mail us a list of ladies they want to meet so that when they arrive appointments are already in place for the first couple of days and no time is lost.  Also the client is made aware of what ladies are available and what ladies will not be available so there should be no unpleasant surprises.  Most clients send e-mails to their favorites also so they have a good idea of what lies ahead based on the response they get.    If you go when a group trip is planned there are so many classy, good looking  ladies you will soon forget about your pre-determined favorites who were unavailable.

A GOOD AGENCY will never have married women on their website.  Women who are serious with a guy and at this time don't want to meet anyone remain on the website until their fate is determined as so many of them return and are once again available.  As you know Colombia ladies are noted for not being able to say no to someone who they would just not rather see and I think these ladies are telling you their grandmother is sick or some other frivolous excuse.  Its all part of the game and you must enjoy playing or you wouldn't  still be around.  Thanks for the witty post. 

[BogotaJim]

Daytrade, not to bust your new agency amigo's chops but you'd have to have a pretty good day in the market to afford his packages.

Papi 2 good laughts from you in one night.  I have had about 4000 male clients over the past 17 years and I would guess that you would be in the top 5 and probably number one in dollars SPENT LOOKING FOR A MATE AND APPARENTLY WITH no success.  Now that takes a set of balls to make a comment like that.  I enjoy your humor but you seem to be short on facts.   

[daytrader]

....YOU DON'T KNOW JACK....(continued)...and the whole world laughed at...!!!!

YOU might have been happy with a barbecue for Christmas, but cashed up New York finance types found Ferraris and holidays in the Maldives under the tree after Wall Street filled their pockets with nearly $US24 billion  in bonus cash.
In total, the bonuses doled out to Wall Street's workers tallied $US23.9 billion, according to a conservative estimate by the New York state comptroller.

That means on average, each person working in the financial services industry had an extra $US137,580 to splurge.

from -- http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20976156-3122,00.html

YUP, YOU DON'T KNOW JACK !

taking poetic license of the last words uttered to Humphrey Bogart before he gets plugged in 'Treasure of the Sierra Madre' 

......"I don't need no stinkin' bonus!" 


DayTrader -- happiness is paying Capital Gains taxes on 4/15 of each year, yeeha!

[papi]

Jim, glad I can be of entertainment value. I am not sure what specific facts I am short on. However,  lets face it - some guys might get sticker shock in bogota today. Furthermore, one's success and expenditures can be measured in many ways and really should have little bearing on this discussion. I am not here to knock your agency and have not done so as personal attacks are generally not condoned here and only pointed out to Daytrade that he may want to check the current tarifa before he gets on the bogota bandwagon. que tenga un buena noche. El Papi

PS FYI, I know a guy who was recently quoted well over $100 per intro by a certain GOOD agency in bogota. We do talk to each other (us gringos).

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Daytrade, sounds like you are doing well. You will need it..project Latina is not cheap

[Fuzzyone]

....YOU D

That means on average, each person working in the financial services industry had an extra $US137,580 to splurge.

  Lets get serious now what was your bonus this year? You know darn well the people at the bottom did not even come close to that amount. Remove the top dogs bonuses and it dont look that rosie for the rest. Yes some got some good payola. In fact I am more then happy to see everyone go out and buy that car they cannot afford why? Because the fall is even worse!

[BogotaJim]

I like Bogota, and actually think that from a purely tourist standpoint it has a lot more than Cartagena, and has everything that Cartagena has less beach.  But there are better places to go to a beach in Colombia than Cartagena anyway.

Having said that, I have not been actively seeking a girl when I was in Bogota, but I did see that it has a lot of ladies from everywhere in Colombia.  Nonetheless, the girls "native" to Bogota are IMO not as good looking as in other parts of Colombia, primarily because the people there seem to be less mixed: there are a lot of European-looking people and a lot of Indian-looking people, whereas elsewhere the rule are the mestizos.  I also liked the climate in Medellin a lot better, and all things being equal, prefer it to Bogota as a potential place to live or find a lifemate.

Also for me a girl having a child is not a strike against her in and of itself.  If I like the girl, if I like the kid, and see that she is responsible with the kid, and of course if she wants more children with me, her having a child would not be a minus for me at all.  However, if the kid's father still wants to see and take care of the child, it would be a strong minus for me and I can't imagine tolerating it if I have any alternatives, but in my experience with Colombia it is more of an exception than a rule.  I also do not necessarily find a correlation between a girl having high standards and her having or not having a child.

  I am delighted to hear that you would accept a lady with a child as your wife.  The most successful marriages from my agency  involve guys like yourself who have courage  enough to assume this additional responsibility  The lady with a child or 2 in Colombia is doomed to being a single mother for a lifetime as no Colombian man would be interested because of their machisto attitudes.  Once you marry her she will be forever grateful to you and 100% loyal and loving.  Most of the single moms here are good mothers and responsible but you must be very careful or she will spoil a son something terrible and you will have to fix this problem.  The reward for your courage should be lifelong.  You are absolutely correct in assuming that if the father is still in the picture there are usually too many problems to solve in order for this to work. 


That being said I have discovered a remarkable difference between Bogota and the rest of Colombia.  For 16 years I spent most of my time in Bogota and know the women there very well.  Most come from good  families with a father living at home hence more discipline and no children out of wedlock.This is what I term high moral standards.    I now live full time in Medellin and have discovered to my surprise that almost ALL OF THE LADIES IN THE AGENCIES HERE HAVE CHILDREN and the father is no where to be found.  Also the girls are from a home with NO FATHER - he left some time ago or he was never present so I liken this to the welfare system in the US when 3 generations of welfare recipients live in one house.  These girls are living hand to mouth and almost all of them have a negative cash flow and are somewhat desperate to find a solution.  They are beautiful yet they have low self-esteem and will not be able to learn English.  They are ebullient and happy so go figure.  I just can't understand this sometimes. 

If you are looking for a lifemate and will accept these conditions Medellin is a good place to hunt and a great place to live.

[papi]

I now live full time in Medellin and have discovered to my surprise that almost ALL OF THE LADIES IN THE AGENCIES HERE HAVE CHILDREN and the father is no where to be found.

Jim, with all due respect there are a lot of vets here.  Many have visited Medellin including myself.  Do you expect us to drink the Kool-Aide with this serving of BS?  I’ll make you a wager that less than 20-30% of the ladies in mde agencies have kids.  Doombug will gladly run the stats. Most guys prefer no children so why say this about mde?? I am not here to defend mde but this is getting a little nuts

[papi]

These posts would be like Ricardo moving to Bogota and saying all girls have warts (although, there is a high incidence of large moles in Colombia..lol)

[daytrader]

Yo..fuzzyone...quote the article ACCURATELY....

the bonuses doled out to Wall Street's workers tallied $US23.9 billion

That means the "workers" that physically work on Wall Street.  ...duh...where the "Bull" is...the Amex, NYSE, NYFE, and assorted Bond & Globex Traders (I am a Globex Trader).

I assume by "workers" they mean those that have licenses, such as CTA, Series 7, Series 3, arbitrageurs, Hedge Funds, etc- so this would exclude janitors, switchboard operators and copy boys (& girls!). 

The Bond market has moved more in 2 1/2 years than it usually moves in 10 or 20 years -- a lot of this year's bond market bonuses are from positions that were unwound from 2004  --- mucho huge moves in the "spreads" department (bond guys will know what I am talking about).  The Dow has had a nice 20% "bull run" since the summer. 

Like I said earlier, "I don't need no stinkin' bonsues"....the avg bonus quoted above is a mere fraction of what good index traders make in a quarter...of.....a......year.....

enuff said? 

DayTrader $$$$$$$$$$$$$