From PL Jim Jones (Promise Colombia)!

[papi]

i see our mutual friend must have updated you on things....I will need to remind him that you are a putz. Try a cap on the lid instead of a peluchi...the girls won't laugh as much at you behind your back like they did in mde

[papi]

and while you are at it...lay off the booze...anger and booze don't go well together. You scared the chicas in mde

[Kiltboy1]

Yep

Coffee is good this AM reading the Papi, i mean Funny Pages. .


KB

DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH !!!!

[markanthony7]

Ok Papi I have another thought provoking question, if a young lady subjected her self to a professional life style out of neccesity and impoversment is she irreprably damaged can she be rehabed?, in light of her negative circumstances that she was subjected to because of her poverty against her will, should she be given a second chance? many of us have been given second, third and fifty chances, we were not perfect , again this is not my opinion, I am asking questions not stating my personal opinion

[william3rd]

No second chance in my book.

There are a lot of women out there who have the same level of "necessity" and choose not to join that elite group of professionals. THose who consciously choose easy money while laying on their backside to have "necessities" and a lifestyle beyond those who chose the hard way. I am speaking in generalities but- even in impoverished countries, there are those who work hard and barely get by without prostituting themselves and those who take the easier approach.

Personally I prefer my prospective mates to have a little lower mileage on them and not have to worry about their acting ability.

[papi]

Mark, ho’s need lovin too.  I just found out that two of my ex-novias got married and/or are in the process of it.  Both were either in the profession or turned to it later.  Good question, I am sort of the forgiving type but would prefer marrying a legit girl (if there is such a thing…lol)

[markanthony7]

I asked these questions sometimes because as an agency owner, you get a wide variety of clients whose opinons and proto types are diverse, this is an educational and informative and I appreciate your honest answers, me personally the jury is still out for me I am somewhat indifferent or indecisive, I think for each individual it is more of a personal decision, I am still a single guy and I met some pros in Cartagena that looked better than the women on my website! I mean they had me contemplating!, I have also seen a few men that did not care about her promiscuios background and history and married the woman anyway, the women did not come from our agency

[papi]

the vast majority are going to be trouble. Not all but most are screwed up mentally and dishonest. Still, they could make a lot of dinero in a club without having to sleep with strangers

[markanthony7]

Well I think that was the answer to the question I was tyring to get at that would mean when a woman ventures that far into promiscuity that she is messed up in the head permanently or irreparably damaged

[papi]

not all but the majority. I dated a woman a few years ago in the trade that was reasonably stable and from a nice family..i just chose not to go that route at that time. She is now married and in the USA

[markanthony7]

I guess this subject is paranthethical to that old classic romantic movie with Richard Geer and Julia Roberts  "Pretty Woman"  I have seen it happen a few times, I was tempted twice, in Cartagena they have an escort disco tech / bar and they have some of the most beautiful, gorgeous women from all over Colombia! many of them have jobs and are students they just come to Cartagena work discretely and then return to their respective cities so they wont be publically exposed, they are not really those hard core street type of hookers, lets face it you cant get grants in Colombia for college expenses and just stripping for extra money wont work in Colombia like it benefits American college women

[papi]

i know the place you are talking about but never went there. The 2 times i was in CTG was with novias.

[daytrader]

...there's over a thousand views of this thread that is discussing the finer points of dating a woman who sells her body.  I'd really like to know what the other 993 "views" think of this concept.  Like I said earlier....I swim in a different fishbowl, a fishbowl that doesn't have "snarks'.   Come on you other 900+ views, what do you think of seriously dating a woman - and spending thousands of dollars doing it -- that has knowingly sold her body in previous situations.  What do you REALLY expect the  outcome to be?

disgusting. I agree with William3rd

[Fuzzyone]

...there's over a thousand views of this thread that is discussing the finer points of dating a woman who sells her body.  I'd really like to know what the other 993 "views" think of this concept.  Like I said earlier....I swim in a different fishbowl, a fishbowl that doesn't have "snarks'.   Come on you other 900+ views, what do you think of seriously dating a woman - and spending thousands of dollars doing it -- that has knowingly sold her body in previous situations.  What do you REALLY expect the  outcome to be?

disgusting. I agree with William3rd

   I think you are trying to think in terms of a woman here in the U.S. selling her body. Try to think of it in this way, you are a young woman with a nice bod no job no food no where to live. A older gentlemen offers to set you up in a aprt. What would you do? Would you punish the girl if you met her years later?

   Another way to think about it girl makes a mistake has a child and has no man a cousin tells her how she can make money to eat day in and day out. She just has to let older men take advantage of her and pay her.

  Would I marry a woman like this? I really do not know because I have not ran into it myself but I really have to see what the lady was like. Would she be my wife? Would she want a family?

   Thats really up to the woman if my wife ended up like this before I met her, I would still have married her why? It is funny but we love each other and we both started a new life when we married.

[doombug]

...what do you think of seriously dating a woman - and spending thousands of dollars doing it -- that has knowingly sold her body in previous situations.  What do you REALLY expect the  outcome to be?

disgusting.

Context.

It's the "oldest profession," and for good reason. And it is still widely practiced, for good reason.

Historically, it's given women the chance to instantly offset any economic disadvantages they've faced because of their gender.

My guess is that their "trade" is disgusting to you because you are not desperate. You are living the cushy life, all your needs are met, and it's unlikely that you'll ever know one tenth the misery they've endured.

The female body. What an amazing amount of power it wields over us, eh?

Hmm, are you against prostitution because you cannot wield such power?

[daytrader]

Why would I pay for something I can get for "free"?  I could never respect a woman that lowered herself to that level.  Vis a vi, she would never accept dinero for something that is much more valuable, her honor, trust and loyalty. 

Study crime rates during the Great Depression... they didn't go up.  A lot of people were poor (there were still a bunch of rich people, however.. Senator Joseph Kennedy one of them!).  Regardless of one's economic circumstance, there are always alternatives other than prostitution - sure some choose it, but you have a "choice" of who you choose to sleep with.  She may make that choice but I sure as hell don't have to.   

Speaking of prostitution....Currently, the biggest crime after illegal drugs is smuggling/kidnapping of children across international borders and forcing them into prostitution...It's very large, involves thousands of kids per year and is equivilant to the slave trade that existed between Africa, SA and NA before the Civil War.  None of these kids chose prostitution, they are forced into it and killed if they try to flee.  It doesn't fit the liberal media template so it's buried in the news of the day. 

...Again, let's hear from the "Silent Majority" of the 900+ views that HAVEN'T commented on this topic. Come out, come out, where ever you are!  Let's get a broader opinion from all these 900+ views! 

[Dan Las Vegas]

Would it be acceptable to me? The answer would be no, but that is only my opinion. Others may find it perfectly acceptable and that is their choice and not for me to judge.

just my dos centavos worth.

Dan

[papi]

Daytrade, sorry my friend but you are living in a fantasy world.  Prostitution is rampant in Colombia especially Cali.  I have dated women that I had no idea were in the trade but found out later occasionally slept with men for pesos.  It is everywhere and I am sure touches the folks you met.  If they are not ho's they are borderline. You made 1 trip to colombia...don't sit in judgment of  culture that you have a little understanding

[soltero]

Study crime rates during the Great Depression... they didn't go up.  A lot of people were poor (there were still a bunch of rich people, however.. Senator Joseph Kennedy one of them!).  Regardless of one's economic circumstance, there are always alternatives other than prostitution - sure some choose it, but you have a "choice" of who you choose to sleep with. 

This analogy is incorrect. While prostitution may be a crime here, it is not a crime there. Frowned upon, yes, but I don't believe it is a crime. The stigma is very different, so it doesn't apply in your reference. Besides, I doubt very much that any census during the depression would have actually caught the amount of prostitution that was going on during that time or even now here in the US. I would also argue that there are probably more prostitutes in the US than in Colombia due to our size and the cash flow here. Many of those people being trafficked that you mentioned are also trafficked to here more than likely, also due to the fact that the cash is here...same as the drug trade...you are comparing apples to oranges and disregarding social differences within your example.

....It is everywhere and I am sure touches the folks you met.  If they are not ho's they are borderline.

Papi, your comments have been going downhill in objectivity since your last return from SA. The above comment suggests that every woman in Colombia (or were you specifically referencing Cali?) is a prostitute or a potential one. Absolutes are usually lies as no situation is one way or the other. You are beginning to seriously damage your credibility with your bitterness towards the Calenas.

[daytrader]

...the analogy about crime rates (which were accurate, cuz they had police back then) staying level during the Great Depression is correct: the analogy is thus: 

If I am out of a job and can't find one I will steal from someone else - crime rate goes up because a law abiding person justifies stealing cuz he can't find a job.    That didn't happen during the Great Depression, and there were LOTS of suddenly poor people.  The analogy used by several regular posters here is that because a SA woman is poor and good looking, she will sell her body.  No she won't, not if she can't morally justify it -- because she knows the short term benefit outweights the long term moral consequences. 

Regarding Papi's comment....well, he has just continued to go down the road he started on earlier posts, basically saying that My Cali Diamond and also the woman in Bogota I dated 7 years ago (ahem, 2 trips down to Colombia, not 1) are likely ho's in his estimation.  Of course, she makes 7x the average Colombian wage owning a hair salon, but, that's just a cover job for what she REALLY does! 

 Papi, you have a very poor view of most SA women in my estimation.  You strike me as an intelligent guy Papi, but you have a very limited, warped view of SA women that you obviously have not met... and I and others HAVE met.  But that's all right Papi, I don't what to rock your World View, you just go on thinkin' all women in Colombia sell their bodies; meanwhile us guys will continue to ignore your lack of experience with moral, decent, sophisticated women that are here in SA. 

Again, where are the comments from the other 900 views!  come on guys!

DayTrader.   

[daytrader]

...it's too early in California... previous post should have read..

"the short term benefit DOES NOT outweight the long term moral consequences. "

Law abiding people are ruled by fear of the law and also by a moral code imprinted on them by family and/or society.  Colombia is 95% Catholic -- there is a social stigma for the large majority of women (at least in Bogota and Cali that I have witnessed) to conform to societal norms of monogamy.  I have seen more 2 parent working families with healthy, well-adjusted kids in Cali in 7 days than in America in several years. 

DayTrader...

[papi]

Daytrade, I think you misunderstood my comments.  Good luck in your quest – I hope it turns out well for you and you don’t come home one day with your house cleaned out with the exception of your bed and a well-placed turd left on top.  Live the dream…but expect the unexpected.  Been there done that

[markanthony7]

Day trader out of curiosity are you a born again Christian?, there are many evangelical fellowships in Cartagena if that is what you are concerned about I know a plethora of Christian minsters that have access to saintly women

[daytrader]

yes, MarkAnthony7, ....ye must be born again!  Thanks, I will take that under advisement...my Cali Diamond is a Christian attending a (little c) "christian" church in Cali -- identical to the congregations I've attended in the USA.  Protestants are a small minority in the Colombian culture. 

...and it gets better....want to meet a Godly woman...attend Sunday service, the congregation I attended had several unattached women that are beautiful on the outside and love God as well.  All the kids were mighty cute and well-behaved, and they were perfectly happy without an IPOD or portable video game player. 

That latin culture is sooo nice to be around, can't wait to return the end of this month.  I spoke with my Cali Diamond last night....I don't know how she did it but I laughed quite a bit, and most everything was translated, go figure...she's got a great sense of humor that is appreciated very much by me. 

DayTrader

[Jeff S]

Again, where are the comments from the other 900 views!  come on guys!

I'd never date or marry a women who had sold herself for money, nor would I befriend or go into a business partnership a man who sold out his integrity or knowingly did something against his moral code for money. Hard times reveal character, they don't change it. The reason - because I don't have to. I only need one woman and she needed to be and was the absolute best I could find. Likewise, I don't need to befriend the world - only those I consider worthy of my friendship and trust.

Before I get flamed with a lot of moral relativism BS - Yes I would chose the lesser of two evils if confronted with a survival situation for myself of my family and live with the consequences. I'd chose the right thing over the easy thing every time - and no, it's not because I follow any partiucular religious dogma.

- Jeff