From PL Jim Jones (Promise Colombia)!

[papi]

There has been some chat lately about going after older chicas and those with children.  I don’t think the promise of Colombia is to chase a 40 y/o with kids.  The promise is that an average middle-aged guy can have a second chance at young love. 

It is not important if the relationship lasts 1 hour or 5 years…the fact that we get a second chance at bat is key.  The challenge is that in most cases the women have ulterior motives and thus there exists a fine line between a so called "good girl" and a pro.  In fact, I later discovered that some of the chicas I dated from agencies and on tours were in fact "prepago" or took money up front to sleep with men.

However, the fact that in some cases it does work…and that some of these chicas are for the most part at least somewhat honorable in their gringo intensions gives promise to Colombia.  I am not telling you to drink the Kool-Aid and kill the project…just take off the rose colored glasses.  But if you have not gone, exhaust all measures first at home and save yourself a lot of money and heartache

[utopiacowboy]

So what you're saying is that if you can't have a 20-25 year old chica who's going to be wild about you, it's not worth it? It's possible to get young stupid chicks here. You get yourself a Corvette and travel through the boondock little towns in Kansas and Oklahoma, you'll get plenty of attention from young morons. Many of them will be hotties too.

You also seem to believe that a 40 year old woman with kids in the US is the same as a 40 year old woman with kids in Colombia. Believe me, I see plenty of 40 year old women here in the US and I see very few that weigh less than I do. Most of them look more like they're 50 or 60 than 40. I read posts here and on other sites and one thread seems constant. The guys married to older women are happy and have good marriages. The guys married to young "hotties" are divorced or unhappy or still haven't found what they're looking for.

[daytrader]

Have to mildly disagree with Papi -- My recent discussion and what I've seen since deals with the 30-35 yr old demographic (not the 40ish babes)-- this 30-something demographic is likely to be more stable emotionally, economically; has a verifiable track record; plus women reach their sexual peak around 35 (see below links).  The maturity a 30-something has also fulfills my wish of not being publicly embarrassed by what is clinging to my arm [a frequent cause of heartburn with many American babes I have known in the past). 

Also, the kids are out of the toddler stage and me and the honeybuuny can likely take long weekends regularly without worrying about taking the kids with us.  To me, the best of both worlds! 

And yes, the latina's skin is 15 to 20 years younger looking than most North American babes!  So, she's still 35 when she's 50!  yeahbaby! 

DayTrader
(sexual peak link 1)
http://www.lhj.com/lhj/story.jhtml;jsessionid=GSCACAYKETWEBQFIBQNSCAQ?storyid=/templatedata/lhj/story/data/16574.xml&catref=cat680144&page=2

(scroll down to Dear Gambler reply on link below - sexual peak link 2)
http://www.loveadvice.com/Columns/COL_1405.HTM

[jediknight]

There has been some chat lately about going after older chicas and those with children.  I don’t think the promise of Colombia is to chase a 40 y/o with kids.  The promise is that an average middle-aged guy can have a second chance at young love. 

It is not important if the relationship lasts 1 hour or 5 years…the fact that we get a second chance at bat is key.  The challenge is that in most cases the women have ulterior motives and thus there exists a fine line between a so called "good girl" and a pro.  In fact, I later discovered that some of the chicas I dated from agencies and on tours were in fact "prepago" or took money up front to sleep with men.

However, the fact that in some cases it does work…and that some of these chicas are for the most part at least somewhat honorable in their gringo intensions gives promise to Colombia.  I am not telling you to drink the Kool-Aid and kill the project…just take off the rose colored glasses.  But if you have not gone, exhaust all measures first at home and save yourself a lot of money and heartache

the problem is that you don't think and that's why you've gotten played by women who are much smarter than you. the promise has never been that you get a second chance at young love. if you're going through a midlife crisis then i can see how you've lost site at the reasons why the rest of us have gone to colombia. the smart and mature guys are looking in colombia to find what is quickly disappearing here, a woman that will put her husband and family first over a career, not a girl young enough to be our daughter that can be paraded around the neigborhood. if that is why you went to colombia, then it's obvious why you haven't been successful.

an old man that is 30lbs overweight, can't dress, can't speak spanish, can't dance, has the personality of a wall and the intellect of a 12 year old and goes for a woman 20 -30 years his junior simply because he can is a fool. these idiots are more concerned about making the guys back home drool over the hot chick he has bought with his wallet, only to have them laugh behind his back when she leaves him because he didn't take his time to find the right girl. a 20 year old colombiana is the same as a 20 year old gringa, immature and looking for a good time. what guys need to do is go after the older girls, late 20's, 30 and higher.

there exists a fine line between a good girl and a pro? what a bunch of sh**. there exists miles between the two and the good girls can be spotted easily, whether it's cali, bogota or barranquilla, but it requires abilities that are foreign to you, such as intelligence, patience, street smarts, common sense, realistic goals and a positive attitude.

most women don't have alterior motives, they want what all women want...a man that will love, respect and take care of them, even caleñas. the few that have alterior motives and have convinced the weakminded like yourself into believing that all women are like that are the immature, self-centered women that give off red flags like crazy but guys refuse to detect. go after these agency girls and you will get what you deserve. if you find that the agency girls are not what you are looking for, don´t use them, there are thousands of beautiful girls outside in the malls, in the parks, at church.
JK

[sean126]

I couldn't have said it better Jediknight.
My usual replies have been centered around being "love smart".  It's true...many women will take advantage of an idiot if given  an easy chance...that's when brains and intelligence kicks in (or should).  The same woman who will burn someone for money or whatever is also looking for true love.  As I said before, it depends on the man standing in front of her as to wether or not she will love him, use him or reject him all together.  Many women (i think less than the previous) do infact have good hearts but are a little harder to find, but are still attainable with the right use of brains, good judgement and lots of patience.

One simple way for any single guy who's actually looking for true love is to learn from his past mistakes instead of sinking deeper into bitterness and resentment.  People don't take enough responsiblities for their own actions, mistakes and just plain bad decisions and try to re-direct the blame or failures to something or someone else.

Having your heart set on something doesn't necessarily mean you should have it.  If someone is having bad luck at the 20 year olds....move up by 10 years and try your luck.   Micheal Jordan wanted to play baseball...but he sucked at it and so he quit. 

 

[Ray]

It is not important if the relationship lasts 1 hour or 5 years…the fact that we get a second chance at bat is key.

         

[Kiltboy1]

18 year old flacas
QUIT SEARCHING FOR THE DAUGHTER YOU WILL NEVER HAVE

I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE HEARD MORE STUPID , UNEDUCATED CRAP COME OUT OF A MAN OF YOUR AGE, YOU DESERVE ALL THE SUFFERING YOU GET . IDIOT

FRIGEN SICK IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KB

UFF


IDIOTO RIDICULOSO  DUMBASS !

[Hoda]

There has been some chat lately about going after older chicas and those with children.  I don’t think the promise of Colombia is to chase a 40 y/o with kids.  The promise is that an average middle-aged guy can have a second chance at young love. 

It is not important if the relationship lasts 1 hour or 5 years…the fact that we get a second chance at bat is key.  The challenge is that in most cases the women have ulterior motives and thus there exists a fine line between a so called "good girl" and a pro.  In fact, I later discovered that some of the chicas I dated from agencies and on tours were in fact "prepago" or took money up front to sleep with men.

However, the fact that in some cases it does work…and that some of these chicas are for the most part at least somewhat honorable in their gringo intensions gives promise to Colombia.  I am not telling you to drink the Kool-Aid and kill the project…just take off the rose colored glasses.  But if you have not gone, exhaust all measures first at home and save yourself a lot of money and heartache

Oh Papi, Papi, Papi....

 - Men don't have "ulterior Motives?" 
 - Just how does one "exhaust all measures first at home" before they go abroad? 
 - Many men have wasted "a lot money" & gone through way too much "heartache"
   at home. 
 - It's "not important if the relationship lasts 1 hour or 5 years?"....sounds like a self   
   fulfilling prophecy to me, bro! 

Happy Trails.....

[zack]

Papi,

For the life of me I can't figure out why you don't even consider the 25-35 year old ladies. There are a lot of beautiful ladies that fall into this category, not to mention more mature.

Zack

[papi]

Zack-

my first Calena novia is now in her early 30's. My ex-novia from Mde is now late 20's

[Patrick]

Papi,

Which chica is the one you had an extended relationship with?  Didn't you once say you met a good one go and regret it?  I'd actually suggest upping the lower age limit to 30.  Seemed to have worked for me and others and there's still plenty of very attractive women over 30.  They don't all have children either.

I don't recall having read whether you want to have children or not.  This could be a big factor in what type of women you date.  Guys who don't want kids and don't want to marry a woman with kids are going to have a very tough time finding anyone.

[papi]

good advice...on the chicas - both were somewhat long-term

[Jeff S]

Guys who don't want kids and don't want to marry a woman with kids are going to have a very tough time finding anyone.

Maybe in LA. Quite a few people on the Asian board fit that description.

It seems to me that there are essentially two groups of guys on this board. Those that are now or have in the past, sought a wife - a lifetime comittment, and those who are interested in dating and getting laid. It seems lots of the disagreements are due to people assuming others have their own viewpoint. Perhaps we should have two sections, like we have a separate Latin and Asian section. We could have a Dating & Chasing section and a Wife Seeking section. Just a thought.

- Jeff

[papi]

I disagree...most not all hard core players will settledown when they meet someone that rocks their world.

[markanthony7]

Hello fellas my name is Mark Turner and I am new to the forum you have a interesting disscussion and I would like to make a comment or two and ask of your opinions, since I am directly involved with Latin Introductions as well, thank tou

[Patrick]

I would like to make a comment or two and ask of your opinions, since I am directly involved with Latin Introductions as well

Mark,

What does "directly involved" mean?  Are you directly involved as an agency owner, or as a client?

[papi]

i think Mark is the guy who has a condo for rent and agency in CTG. i don't remember the url

[markanthony7]

Yes I am Mark Turner the owner of Amor De Cartagena/ and Cartagena Condos, I wanted to be careful about my approach and stay on the thread

[papi]

i just briefly looked at your site...at first glance looks like you have a couple of new cuties. My amigo is going to CTG manana. He has a novia but she is on double probation and he might be interested. Anyway, i will forward him your url. I am not a big fan of most agencies but they serve a purpose. welcome

[papi]

i never used Mark's service but here is the url for those interested in ctg

http://www.amordecartagena.com

[Ray]

I am not a big fan of most agencies but they serve a purpose.

LOL!               

[markanthony7]

There has been some chat lately about going after older chicas and those with children.  I don’t think the promise of Colombia is to chase a 40 y/o with kids.  The promise is that an average middle-aged guy can have a second chance at young love. 

It is not important if the relationship lasts 1 hour or 5 years…the fact that we get a second chance at bat is key.  The challenge is that in most cases the women have ulterior motives and thus there exists a fine line between a so called "good girl" and a pro.  In fact, I later discovered that some of the chicas I dated from agencies and on tours were in fact "prepago" or took money up front to sleep with men.

However, the fact that in some cases it does work…and that some of these chicas are for the most part at least somewhat honorable in their gringo intensions gives promise to Colombia.  I am not telling you to drink the Kool-Aid and kill the project…just take off the rose colored glasses.  But if you have not gone, exhaust all measures first at home and save yourself a lot of money and heartache

[markanthony7]

I wanted to ask Papi a question with regard to your statement about women with "ulterior motives" do you think some of these women you have had this experience with, do this because money is the incentive or because they are economically  poor? , this places a different perspective on your opinion and statement with regard to this issue because one is from need the other from greed this is just a question not necessarily my personal view point

[papi]

Mark, good question. I think it varies...Cali is a materialistic culture so I would say greed plays a larger role in Cali vs the coast. Yet, neither need nor greed are very good options for a balanced relationship. A young, gringo living there can find balance...us older, middle-aged guys are on less favorable footing

[Kiltboy1]

Hey PAPSMEAR
Read your post about me living in Scotland, hilarious really, I am soooo gald i have the Funny Pages to read with my morning Coffee. But i am sure it cannot compare to the $10 mexicana skanks, or POPS  as you like to refer to them ! Good to see you are growing up, LOL.

KB

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