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[pablo]

Hey Zap,

Do you care to elaborate?  Since you like to use the forum to post your nonsense rather than in PM's (which Dan obviously approves of) have at me.

[catz]

Hey Zap,

Do you care to elaborate?  Since you like to use the forum to post your nonsense rather than in PM's (which Dan obviously approves of) have at me.

No, it is not approved of. Take it to the PMs guys. I'll leave the last two posts here for a couple of days then remove them as they have nothing to do with/or give to this topic.

Thanks,
 Catz

[pablo]

Cat'nMouse,

I would beg to differ.  I guess Dan didn't inform you that my private message ability was cut off recently.  I am also unable to use other features except post, at least for now.  

I think it's pretty ridiculous that the owner feels the need to micro-manage up to the point of monitoring "private" messages.  I asked Dan about this in another thread but he didn't have the courtesy to respond.  In reviewing the TOS I do not feel that I violated any rule so what's with the no-warning hand spanking?

[catz]

Cat'nMouse,

I would beg to differ.  I guess Dan didn't inform you that my private message ability was cut off recently.  I am also unable to use other features except post, at least for now.  

I think it's pretty ridiculous that the owner feels the need to micro-manage up to the point of monitoring "private" messages.  I asked Dan about this in another thread but he didn't have the courtesy to respond.  In reviewing the TOS I do not feel that I violated any rule so what's with the no-warning hand spanking?

Pablo,

 I'll check with Dan regarding your what has happened to your PM feature. I know he is quite busy on other things and cannot spend a lot of time here. No one is monitoring PM's. You guys must think we don't have better things to do...

 The gist of my previous message is that no one here approves or rejects the PM's.

 There are certain words or phrases that the robot looks at to prevent such things as curse words. If you used any of those you may have had the PM feature suspended. As this particular software package is not one that I am overly familiar with I will check on that and get back to you.

 Catz

[pablo]

I'll check with Dan regarding your what has happened to your PM feature. I know he is quite busy on other things and cannot spend a lot of time here. No one is monitoring PM's. You guys must think we don't have better things to do...

The gist of my previous message is that no one here approves or rejects the PM's.

There are certain words or phrases that the robot looks at to prevent such things as curse words. If you used any of those you may have had the PM feature suspended. As this particular software package is not one that I am overly familiar with I will check on that and get back to you.  Catz

Catz,

Thanks for getting back with me.  This is only an educated guess but I suspect Zap complained to Dan about a PM between him and me and Dan decided to prohibit me from using that feature.  It wasn't because of a robot picking up a curse word in my PM because I do not have to resort to such language.

Maybe no person is monitoring private messages but Dan and you have both admitted there is software in place to detect certain words and URL's.  If that isn't monitoring what would you call it?  Why on earth Dan feels that it is necessary to do such is beyond me unless this is his idea of a more "civilized" forum.  The private message feature should be just that, private and is a useful way of communicating to other members without unnecessary posting on the forum.

I would suggest that the TOS be changed to address this issue, that PM's are in fact not private and that "robots" are looking for certain words and phrases that will result in one's suspension of this and other features.  IMO and I am sure many others, this practice will only have a dilatory effect on the forum.

[catz]

Catz,

Thanks for getting back with me.  This is only an educated guess but I suspect Zap complained to Dan about a PM between him and me and Dan decided to prohibit me from using that feature.  It wasn't because of a robot picking up a curse word in my PM because I do not have to resort to such language.

Maybe no person is monitoring private messages but Dan and you have both admitted there is software in place to monitor certain words and URL's.  If that isn't monitoring what would you call it?  Why on earth Dan feels that it is necessary to do such is beyond me unless this is his idea of a more "civilized" forum.  The private message feature should be just that, private and is a useful way of communicating to other members without unnecessary posting on the forum.

I would suggest that the TOS be changed to address this issue, that PM's are in fact not private and that "robots" are looking for certain words and phrases that will result in one's suspension of this and other features.  IMO and I am sure many others, this practice will only have a dilatory effect on the forum.

Pablo,

 I understand your concern. But let me give you another thought. If it was how you say then a member could join send every member her a PM filled with Porn sites, or fill it with cursing, racial slurs, etc. Why would we want to leave our membership open to something like this?

 Then we would get dozens of complaints, ban the user, they would join again under a different name, start the process all over again. This could go on forever and there are plenty of people who would love to disrupt the site and waste our time running around to put out these fires.
 
 Why would we even consider putting ourselves in that type of position?

Catz

[pablo]

Catz,

You bring up a valid point but as I said, there is nothing in the TOS that PM's will be monitored and if certain rules are violated a suspension of these privileges will result.  I did not use any curse words, spam anyone, send anyone porn site URL's, or use racial slurs. Even if I had, there is an ignore feature which is what Dan should have done if my suspicions are correct.  When Bozos like Houndog reference a porn site multiple times on the open forum (masterbateforpeace.com) nothing is done.  Double standard?

Dan admitted before that using the URL (even in a private message) of the "other" forum would result in the banning of that individual.  He has also gone on record that anyone bringing up the name of the former member "S" would result in the temporary banning of that poster which is what happened recently with Cali James.

It appears to me that these new rules that can me changed at any moment or are left unaddressed in the TOS have a much different intention than preventing spammers using the PM feature.



 

[catz]

To the best of my knowledge Cali James has not been banned (he is not currently banned and was here yesterday) unless you are speaking of something that happened before I came here.

I'll have some dialog with the other moderators regarding your concerns and let you know what we come up with.

Catz

[pablo]

Unless Dan reinstated him recently Cali James was indeed banned as I mentioned.  He previously sent me this information when he tried logging in and got the following message:

Your forum account is currently banned.
Ban reason: Unknown
Ban will be lifted: 07 29 2006, 04:00 AM

BTW, I edited my above post after you posted a reply.  I included a reference to HD that I would like you to read.

[catz]

Unless Dan reinstated him recently Cali James was indeed banned as I mentioned.  He previously sent me this information when he tried logging in and got the following message:

Your forum account is currently banned.
Ban reason: Unknown
Ban will be lifted: 07 29 2006, 04:00 AM

BTW, I edited my above post before you posted a reply.  I included a reference to HD that I would like you to read.

Well, if he did continue a topic that Dan warned him about, I'd say he deserved what he got. I'll follow up on this and see where it leads.

Catz

[Hoda]

If my memory is faulty on this subject, I'm sure someone will correct me.

I asked Patrick to bring the both Burburja & Troy back, after a few days to reflect on their actions. When I woke up the following morning, I was the Latin Moderator....:shock:

[Hoda]

If my memory is faulty on this subject, I'm sure someone will correct me.

I asked Patrick to bring both Burburja & Troy back, after a few days to reflect on their actions. When I woke up the following morning, I was the Latin Moderator....:shock:

[catz]

See what happens when you ask a question!?!

If my memory is faulty on this subject, I'm sure someone will correct me.

I asked Patrick to bring the both Burburja & Troy back, after a few days to reflect on their actions. When I woke up the following morning, I was the Latin Moderator....:shock:

[conocerme]

Catz -

Have you considered calling the messages:  "Monitored Messages".  This more accurately portrays what they are.  

Labeling them Private Messages when they are not actually Private Messages is misleading and has already lead to a person being banned who did not realize this..

Don't you agee it is better to be upfront and honest?

conocerme

[Dan]

Catz -

Have you considered calling the messages:  "Monitored Messages".  This more accurately portrays what they are.  

Labeling them Private Messages when they are not actually Private Messages is misleading and has already lead to a person being banned who did not realize this..

Don't you agee it is better to be upfront and honest?

conocerme

All of the events which led to Soltero's opting-out of the site has been debated ad nauseum. It is clear that posts such as yours seek only to continue to fan the flames elsewhere, as it is a non-issue here.

Continued posts of this sort contribute nothing to the site.

The only thing which fails to be "honest" is posts like yours which present half-truths (or worse) and fail to make any worthwhile contributions. Make your choice - post here or not - but do not be disruptive.

- Dan