The Litmus Test... Latin Women Love Gringos

[bcc_1_2]

Almost all my clients and workers are Mexicans and they prefer to marry and have relationships with other Mexicans for the most part. Very few of them are interested in gringos. Even if the gringo is a young, handsome guy, with a good job.

I'll let you speak for Mexicans in the United States but Mexicans in Mexico are in fact very interested in gringos. There is a very pro gringo culture in Colombia... there is no question about that. The same phenomenon does not exist in Mexico, and I would say middle class and above Mexicans have higher standards. But being a gringo is definitely a great benefit.
There is most certainly a correlation to socioecomic status and standards in Latin America. And the best example I can think of is taking your average guy (like the Louis CK example) and sending him to Polanco, Condesa, Zona Rosa areas in Mexico City. In those areas the average middle aged gringo is going to have a difficult time. Send the average guy to an area with a lower standard of living and he'll do much better.
In my experience plenty of women in Mexico were more than happy to strike up a conversation, but the urge to jump on a plane and uproot to the USA is not a burning desire for most. In Mexico I could get into any nightclub and walk past all the Mexicans in line... just for being well dressed and white.
 

[mambocowboy]

I agree with FT, money is not the only thing, but it sure does help. And when I am talking about money, I am not talking about rock star status. I am referring to having enough to have a stable, middle class lifestyle as FT mentioned. No Colombiana is going to be very happy to leave her family, friends, and entire life there to come here and suffer in poverty in a place far away from all that she knows.

I've had an ongoing discussion about this with my wife, and what she has told me contradicts my original stance on this issue. She tells me she considers herself the exception rather than the rule in so far as having a family with me is more important to her than advancing her career/financial status. However, she says that most Barranquilleras would have no problem demanding their man fund an extravagant life style and then leave him when a better opportunity comes along... In my wife's case, she apparently had plenty of men literally trying to buy her affection with cash, gifts,promises,etc., and she settled with me even though I don't even make six figures.....I was completely up front with her about my modest means from the start...

[InnocentVixen]

I don't know guys, I think it could be more about the circle you move around, your little bubble per se and while yes most of the times they will be close or on the same social status sometimes they will just match your thinking.


For example, my family is very traditional and old fashioned, most of the old fashioned families I know tend to be a bit racist and superficial (now please let's not get ahead of ourselves, it's not as bad as it sounds) what I mean by this is that if you have a fancy last name and are white you will have an advantage because you will be more easily accepted, this doesn't change the fact that you have to earn the love and attention of the lady in question.


Now we have the kind of old fashioned that is closed minded that Alabama describes which from what I see is very common in the US (my guess is that they are trying to hold on to their roots a bit too hard) but it's not that different from what you see in lower classes or uneducated people right here, they are afraid of the unknown perhaps, they limit themselves to mexicans yet they will still brag if the person happens to have a pretty/exotic/renowed surname and they will still choose a morena clara over a dark morena.


A girl with lower standards would go to extremes, either reject the idea of a gringo because she doesn't know what to expect or be happy yet intimidated because she considers herself unworthy.


A girl with higher standards will see you as an equal and will give you a chance or not depending on you as a person, these are the ones that are ok with marrying down if they fall in love or think you are worth the risk.


A rich girl with plenty of resources will most likely look down on an american, as well as less fortunate mexicans but will still be curious about more "exotic" men, for the most part they gravitate towards power though, not so much the money.


I know if men did not consider Mexico much before they might cross it off their list after reading this but figured it was about time someone mentioned it.

[Calipro]

I don't know guys, I think it could be more about the circle you move around, your little bubble per se and while yes most of the times they will be close or on the same social status sometimes they will just match your thinking.


For example, my family is very traditional and old fashioned, most of the old fashioned families I know tend to be a bit racist and superficial (now please let's not get ahead of ourselves, it's not as bad as it sounds) what I mean by this is that if you have a fancy last name and are white you will have an advantage because you will be more easily accepted, this doesn't change the fact that you have to earn the love and attention of the lady in question.


Now we have the kind of old fashioned that is closed minded that Alabama describes which from what I see is very common in the US (my guess is that they are trying to hold on to their roots a bit too hard) but it's not that different from what you see in lower classes or uneducated people right here, they are afraid of the unknown perhaps, they limit themselves to mexicans yet they will still brag if the person happens to have a pretty/exotic/renowed surname and they will still choose a morena clara over a dark morena.


A girl with lower standards would go to extremes, either reject the idea of a gringo because she doesn't know what to expect or be happy yet intimidated because she considers herself unworthy.


A girl with higher standards will see you as an equal and will give you a chance or not depending on you as a person, these are the ones that are ok with marrying down if they fall in love or think you are worth the risk.


A rich girl with plenty of resources will most likely look down on an american, as well as less fortunate mexicans but will still be curious about more "exotic" men, for the most part they gravitate towards power though, not so much the money.


I know if men did not consider Mexico much before they might cross it off their list after reading this but figured it was about time someone mentioned it.

I have lived in southern California and Arizona most of my adult life and I find Mexican women born in Mexico have a very low interest in meeting gringos for a serious relationship compared to other latinas.


Some of my best friends are mexican americans and I've had good luck with mexican women born in the US. Can't tell you how horrible some of my mexican american friends were treated while traveling with me in Mexico....I don't think they really liked me much either but some how they could handle grammatical errors in my spanish better then from my mexican american friends.


At one point I told my friends to stop talking and let me handle things because I was certain they thought of my Mexican american friends as nothing more than traitors to their culture by not taking the time to learn spanish well.

[utopiacowboy]

That reminds me of when my wife's family was here visiting. So often they would see people that they thought could speak Spanish but in fact could not speak a word. They would shake their heads in amazement. I'd say, yeah they look the part but they don't know the lines.   It's very, very common for mixed marriages here between Anglos and Mexican-Americans - invariably the offspring lose their Spanish.

[michaelb]

True that, about the children losing their parents language, and not just Spanish. My grandmother was a WWI war bride from France and she refused to teach her children French (in fact, according to my mother, she wouldn't even help them with their French class homework). My own children, despite their mother being from Costa Rica, speak very little Spanish (although they can usually understand it). Also, once I had a girlfriend who had to use her mother as interpreter to speak with her grandparents......she and all her siblings only spoke English and the grandparents only spoke Cherokee.

BTW, not that this has anything to do with languages or courting/marrying foreign spouses, but everybody be sure to wish a happy 100th birthday to Woody Guthrie today.   

[Kiltboy1]

That reminds me of when my wife's family was here visiting. So often they would see people that they thought could speak Spanish but in fact could not speak a word. They would shake their heads in amazement. I'd say, yeah they look the part but they don't know the lines.   It's very, very common for mixed marriages here between Anglos and Mexican-Americans - invariably the offspring lose their Spanish.

 
My son is spending the summer in Ecuador. His Spanish is not so good anymore, but he is teaching everyone he meets English. His cousins 3rd grade teacher is spending a lot of time with him to learn English. My 8 year old does have the maturity of most 14-15 year old kids, so this does not surprise me.
 
 

[Zon]

At one point I told my friends to stop talking and let me handle things because I was certain they thought of my Mexican american friends as nothing more than traitors to their culture by not taking the time to learn spanish well.

And the fact that you come off as a bonafide badass helps greatly.  Funny Calipro story ... I thought he had a military background, so I mentioned the fact.  He looked at me like I was out of my mind and said "Nope!  If a man every told me to get out of a fox hole and charge into bullets, at that point HE has become my enemy."  Pretty clear, straight forward way of thinking in Calipro's head.

And, I can tell you guys now ... on this night I wish I was in Cali!  I'd light it up like a Christmas tree.  PS - as I write this it is a Monday night ... I know just where to go:)  

[DRGUY1]

I actually visit Mexico City and Guadalajara a few times every year for business and have no trouble meeting Mexican ladies in bars and nightclubs....And the women are beautiful.


I do speak some Spanish, so that helps and I'm reasonably good looking , but I get lot's of attention in Mexico. I have fair skin and green eyes and they always comment on that and my Brit accent...A 55 yo is not going to pick up a 20 yo in Mexico, but I'm 42 and chat up mid 20"s all the time down there.


Maybe in Columbia and other parts it is more acceptable and easier, but if you have any game I think you can do well anywhere South.


My 2 cents...

[bcc_1_2]

I actually visit Mexico City and Guadalajara a few times every year for business and have no trouble meeting Mexican ladies in bars and nightclubs....And the women are beautiful.


I do speak some Spanish, so that helps and I'm reasonably good looking , but I get lot's of attention in Mexico. I have fair skin and green eyes and they always comment on that and my Brit accent...A 55 yo is not going to pick up a 20 yo in Mexico, but I'm 42 and chat up mid 20"s all the time down there.


Maybe in Columbia and other parts it is more acceptable and easier, but if you have any game I think you can do well anywhere South.


My 2 cents...

My buddy went to Mexico City in August... real cheap flight... great deal. He pulled a few real lookers out of polanco. Funny enough one was half mexican/ half colombian... a real looker, bilingual, worked for a US company in Mexico. They are in communication now that he is back home. Young well dressed gringos get right in anywhere... even polanco he confirms. He along with myself are not big fans of "paying cover" but he did it.
His biggest caution/ suggestion was to watch your step a bit at the top clubs. Some guys think they are big time and show up with their own security. You never know if you are going to talk to the wrong chica or get on some douchebag's nerves. Actually he phrases it like "don't have tunnel vision". He actually made the habit of taking a couple of waiters out from a cafe by his hotel at night. It cost him a couple hundred pesos to pay for their cab ride after the subway closed... but he had help pulling girls and the Mexicans liked hanging with him because then girls would talk to them as well.
Gringos get into these places because the club wants a white face or whatever... but don't assume you are the guy shelling out the most cash... best to have a few somewhat trusted locals around you... so you know when it is time to bounce.
Good info I think.