Id like Jamie and or agency owners to answer for sure experienced people as well

[Caballero2009]

Ok so I have been on and off here for a few months. I have learned alot...but heard some bad stuff here too sadly.

Anyway...so I think my caution has paid off...but i have a serious question(s) id like answered by the agency owners who come to the board first.. but of course any experienced member chime in too CONSTRUCTIVELY please.

By reading the board and posts in various orders.... you could actually come to different conclusions on the same topic easily.

One topic that affects myself and MANY others before me and probably after me is this:

RESPOND HONESTLY please.... and this is why i mentioned aganecy owners who have more data and experience....

Do the majority of guys who go to Jamies or other RESEPECTABLE agencies go for fun, pleasure, sex, hooking up short time... be honest please....i dont want to just get rhetoritc.

What is the general success rate of guys using the better agencies like Jamies etc to find a soulmate successfully? 50%? 40%? 70%? Are the majority of guys who use the agencies serious about it? I mean for some guys dropping 1500 bucks for fun isnt that much if they make a decent living and dont go to parties every week.

Now lets flip this... BE HONEST... after reading Jamies site and looking at other sites in more detail like intro by consuelo etc... im really seriously wondering what percentage of women are serious about finding ONE GUY for a serious realtionship.... and how many are just looking for fun, pleasure, sex, hooking up short time? Some of the ladies have been on their as long as i have been checking out this site which is a few months.


Whats interesting is i read alot of trip reports where guys say "OH I FOUND THE ONE IM DONE LOOKIN AND MEETING 20 girls a day" and then they believe that the girl isnt going to go out with 100-200 men just because you "THINK" shes the one and you stop your "tour". Why would the lady stop looking after you go back home just because YOU decided to stop looking? Im just seeing some strange paradoxs that i wouldnt have even thot about 2-3 months ago when i first started looking on here and the sites. LIke if i went to one of Jamies tours and I found a girl out of 40 I liked.... whats to say the day i leave she wont be right back meeting guy 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.... same darn beach house or office or whatever?

I guess I and many others would want to believe that the girl would want to be serious....but from what i have heard...theres few TRUE instances of this. I guess thats why im asking for more REAL data from Jamie and owners .... I feel IF i decide to do a tour and i find a nice lady....whats to say this girl wont be "taking you until she finds one guy richer, sexier, whatever" on the next tour a few days after you?

I thought about this.... and I know im a guy who devotes himself to one person.... and it would burn me to a crisp to be played.....cuz i dont let myself get played...but this is a case where it can happen pretty darn easily.

But having more hard data might make it less vaporlike as far as what outcomes are normal when using agencies or respectable tours.

[Shadow_mas]

I am just a little experienced in some things, so let me see if I can answer some questions.

1. How many guys go to have fun and how many are serious ?
What I have read over the years is that at least when starting out 90% of the guys is serious.
Once they understand they can get laid for less money as at home, 20% might become 'extremely picky'.
The others continue to chase their dream.

2. How serious are the women ?
It depends on their looks and character. Some women will not enjoy sitting with 50 competitors trying to attract the attention of one of the suitors. Others will make it their living.
For many women it will start as something a friend advised and they will try it once. If they enjoy it, they will return, otherwise they will to fin alternative methods of meeting men.

3. How can I know that she will not meet others ?
You can not. Its up to you to make an impression lasting and good enough for her to see others. But remember that as long as there are no promises of commitment, there is no cheating. If you do not wish to see others, find a woman who has the same ideas about it, or leave her free to compare. If you do not have confidence in yourself, you will probably not be able to keep her anyway.

[Kiltboy1]

Shadow

You will get all kinds of nswers to this question. The bottom line is that I think at least 50% of guys that go to SA go for fun/sex regardless if they use an agency or some other means. As far as success rates, again you will get different answers but in my 12 years searching, marrying, meeting other guys along the way and forums like this, the failure rate for a Latin marriage hovers around 70% IMHO. You have to remeber, there are tons of guys that never post on a forum that have had bad experiences and you usually meet them on your trips. You can find a decent latin woman, but again, the failure rate is very high. Take your time and make sure you do not choose a woman that needs a lot of hand holding because 100% of those marriages fail because the guy gets tired of being a baby sitter.

Buena Suerte

[Kiltboy1]

Sorry

I was answering Caballero not shadow.
My bad

[Jeff S]

I'm just astounded at how left brained most of the men here approach this experience: Lessee if I meet thirty six women a day for 10 days and I divide my the number of ... and take the square root of the derivative and analyze by the chi square....

Mr Spock might have been excellent at analyzing Klingon force field cloaking devices, but rest assured, he never got laid on shore leave in-port.

100% of the women who sign up for an agency are hoping to find Prince Charming. 100% of the men who go there are hoping to find Princess Charming. What happens in between is best summed up by John Lenin's lyrics: "Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans."

Ask yourself if you're ready for this. And by that I don't mean anything you can buy at a department store or develop in a gym. I mean a healthy, self respecting, and fun attitude, no matter what you look like or what size your waist is. If so, you will meet someone who'll turn you'll click with. If not, you'll end up coming home disappointed. Forget statistics, long laundry lists of requirements, and all the analysis tools you're probably scientifically developing. As Heruamen said so eloquently recently, the world isn't all about logical thinking, a balance of spirit and logic is needed.

[william3rd]

Respectable tours?!?!?!?!?

1/2 sex tourist and the other half. . . . . and what about the girls? Some serious and a lot of green card girls and gold diggers.

Success rates from socials- practically ZERO- when success is measured to a five year marriage.

[jay5688]

Hey,  Caballero2009

I have to agree with Jeff S on most of his comments. Based on my experience and the changes I made in my own mental thoughts about the whole process. In my first trip I over analyzed everything and tried to use to many statistics ,research and information I had obtained prior to the trip. I think back now and realize I should have took some of the advice from board members and just went on the trip. I have a tendency to over analyze and try to finish most things fast with no mistakes. The problem with this is obvious now to me. I went for my second trip with a altogether different attitude of if I met someone great, if not well I will enjoy the trip. I realize not everyone will be feel the same way but I think you get in a rut with the thought process of ....I have to find a girl in a few days and make a lifelong decision ... ummm not a good thing. IMOP.

What I am trying to say is don't get yourself in the powertrip thought process , like a guy on a roadtrip. We can't stop anywhere or change the plan until we get to the destination,,, bad plan for the trip to Colombia, things change and you will change with every piece of new information and experience you have. So be ready to make some changes and have a good time.

If you are honest with yourself on the things you really want and do not cloud your mind with to many statistics, you will find a good women.

I have learned more about myself in this process, I also think Colombia has plenty of good women. The same goes for women in the US. The good ones are there if you know what you want. Be patient, have a good time, do not rush things, and think about how you would treat a women in the US , would you rush into something or do half as much research on a women if you meet her down the street from your house,, I know I never did.

I did meet a great girl on my second trip. I will try to answer you question about will she continue to see other men.
I have to say you will have those kinds of questions for a short time. I do not have any questions in my mind now because we have developed a very strong relationship with each other. I trust her , she has complete trust in me. It takes the same kind of time you would have in a relationship with anyone you met in our country. I think the best thing for me has been my attitude change. Which is now if she wants to go then I will not try to stop her, if she leaves you never had her to begin with. The one thing I can say is you just have to feel it in your heart that you can trust her. I have spoken to my girl almost daily since I was in Colombia and that helps me as much as her.
I also think if you find a party girl then it could open up a whole new thought process. The more girls you meet will help you make good decisions and really make the right girl seem that much better for you.

Lets face it, she has to trust you as much as you have to trust her. She has no idea what girls you are with in the US . And about the agency.... you are using the same one she is , or whatever means you actually used to meet the women. IMOP what would allow her to trust you? When you tell her she is the only women. I mean lets be honest,,, it works both ways ,,,,she has know idea that you are honest with her about everything in your life, until you establish a good strong relationship with her through good communication.

I will be back in Colombia in April. The best advice I have had from successful married members has been, talk to her as much as possible and plan a trip back to see her as soon as possible.

I hope this helps , take care , and good luck.

[bcc_1_2]

Caballero,

What I'm about to do is make a terrible reference because these are people we are talking about here, but I am about to do it anyways. When you go to a car dealer do you ask him how dependable the car is? What condition the car is in? etc? If he says the car was just serviced and is in perfect condition would you take his word on it?

Or might you take it to an independent mechanic and get it checked out? You are asking questions about the culture of this and the ladies etc to people (I don't care if they are agency owners, dating site owners, or freakin travel agents) who have a vested interest in you coming to Colombia and spending your money with them. I know some agency owners have friends here and others do not. But when it comes down to it why keep asking questions to folks who have this vested interest?

I'm also curious if you are planning a trip and when you are headed down? I think you'll have a lot of fun. My final question to you would be what is holding you up from booking a package with an agency if you haven't already done so?

[Researcher]

 Caballero,
        I have used many agencies over the years and I have to say I have ran across many guys who were looking for a good woman and not just for sex. There are other places that a guy can go for sex. I work with a guy who frequents Costa Rica to have sex with women and then leaves. Most agencies I have been a member of usually have a rule of no women permitted in the guy's room.This is to avoid getting the reputation of being a brothel.

       I never was much for the socials.I went to a few but I found better prospects for me by meeting them one on one.

      As far as success rates, I know several guys that are past the 5 year mark.The key seems to be choosing a partner based on more than just looks.Now, I wouldn't go out and choose an ugly one either. My mother once told me that "looks isn't everything" and I replied "that's true, but it counts".I think alot of guys just go for the most attractive woman that will accept them and then they hope everything else will just fall into place.

        Researcher

[william3rd]

Interesting comparison of agency rules because every agency I ever worked with in Europe, Asia, or SA stayed out of the hotel bedroom as what went on between consenting adults was their business and not the agency's concern. Of my client base, the vast majority are long divorced- I can say I know several that lasted five years but when placed in comparison to over 3000 marriages, the handful that made it are just that much more glaring in their small numbers

[Jamie]

Do the majority of guys who go to Jamies or other RESEPECTABLE agencies go for fun, pleasure, sex, hooking up short time... be honest please....i dont want to just get rhetoritc.

Our Introduction services are too expensive for guys to use just for “fun”. They can have more “fun” for much less money using other methods.

What is the general success rate of guys using the better agencies like Jamies etc to find a soulmate successfully? 50%? 40%? 70%?

If you mean successful in getting married that would vary depending on what method they use. For example, a guy writing one girl and visiting only one girl is going to be less successful on average than the guy writing to three women and meeting three women.

If you mean successful in staying married my feeling has been that the divorce rate would be no different than the divorce rate for an American man marrying and American woman. I see a high percentage of men who commit or marry very quickly which you would think would entail a higher divorce rate, but I believe that is balanced out by the Colombian women who are more loyal and tolerant and attach to the man more so than American women.

If you take the time to make sure the person you are interested in is compatible with your goals, tastes and values and sincerely in love with you that would put you ahead of most guy. So you should care less about their success rate and more about your plan to be successful.

Are the majority of guys who use the agencies serious about it?

I can only speak of guys that have used our services which I have met and the vast majority are serious.

im really seriously wondering what percentage of women are serious about finding ONE GUY for a serious realtionship....

Almost all of them are looking for a serious relationship, but that does not mean women won’t take advantage of guys along the way.

and how many are just looking for fun, pleasure, sex, hooking up short time?

The girls don’t need Americans for this. You do have a percentage of women willing to sell you this. I do not know not what that percentage is but it could be 10% or higher. Now we remove such women whereas most other Internet sites do not. So maybe guys who use the dating sites could give you a better idea of what that percentage is. Such women are usually easy to quickly figure out for guys with a little experience.

Why would the lady stop looking after you go back home just because YOU decided to stop looking? Im just seeing some strange paradoxs that i wouldnt have even thot about 2-3 months ago when i first started looking on here and the sites. LIke if i went to one of Jamies tours and I found a girl out of 40 I liked.... whats to say the day i leave she wont be right back meeting guy 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.... same darn beach house or office or whatever?

whats to say this girl wont be "taking you until she finds one guy richer, sexier, whatever" on the next tour a few days after you?

I get this question a lot where guys don’t know if the girl is into him, or they are afraid they are going to make a bad choice. From a personal perspective I do not see how one wouldn’t know, but you have a lot of men that do not feel confident in their ability to judge and know women. Now I can provide a list of things that could be of assistance, but that can’t replace all the observation sensors you need to have to connect all the behavior and interactions taking place between the two of you. Since this post indicates you do not feel comfortable with aspects of this process I can only suggest you select a service that you feel can provide the assistance and involvement you need to alleviate such concerns.

[Alabamaboy!]

If you are going to Jamie's, the vast majority of the girls are very interested in having a serious relationship. But that being said...you need to talk to them quite a bit to make sure that you are compatible with them. Because most of the girls are completely oblivious of what they are in store for if they come to the States with you. They think life will be like a movie or television show. Make sure you find out if they are expecting servants, Mercedes Benz, wads of cash for shopping trips, plastic surgery, etc.  Because manyyy of the girls think these things are the norm here. And I am almost positive at this point, after spending quite a bit of time with Colombianas....that they will not change very much, if at all. And if they do change...there is a good chance it will be for the worse. So make sure your girl is pretty much completely compatible. IF not, ditch her and take another shot with a different girl.  You can be analytical in the fact that if you really know yourself and you cannot accept being with a girl that is a "money vampire"...then the first couple times you see this attribute on any significant level...you need to dump her. IT is impossible that she will change. And you will pay a much greater price later on.

There are literally thousands of great women in Colombia who would make good wives...but you need to find one who is compatible.

You cannot prevent them from cheating on you when you return to the states. You never know. I do think it is a good sign if they remove themselves from the agencies site, or the other social networking sites...as long as it is their idea. If you need to tell them to do it....it is not that great of a sacrifice or good sign.

[dennislevy]

I would like to think I am an experienced and sincere man. 

I live in Bogota, I sperak decent Spanish I like agencies because it saves time and in Bogota you can have a serious conversation with a woman form the first cup of coffee.

In general I agree with just about everything that Jamie and researcher said. I just posted a message aobut my recent experiences with Consuelo Romeros agency and it was extraordinarily pósitive.

Meeting a woman in an agency who will be your future spouse is a question of chemistry, timing and the serious intentions of both the man and the woman.  Both have to be willing to make committments and stick to them.  I think agencies are a good source, as long as men are realistic aobut what an agency can or can do.

the job of a personal introductions agency is to put women in front of you for a first cita and do it in a safe environment.  it cannot guarantee succe4ss, and it cannot guarantee a happy marriage. haivng a multicultural relationship takes hard work, concentration and tolerance.

I do think Colombian women cand and do make wonderful wives for American men, but it is up to the man to be the right man for that woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And some relationships simply cannot work becuase the differences in age, cultural expectations, backgrounds and values are just too much for either the man or the woman to assimilate.   

Just as many men come to Colombia for fun relaxation and the hope of sex, women have their own reasons for joining agencies, sometimes it is to support a female friend in her decision, sometimes it is curiosity, soemtimes it is the expectation fo a different experience then dating Colombian men, sometimes women are ardently looking for marriage.

For the record, I have never met a women who propositioned me for money in exchange for sex and in fourteen months I have met over a hundred women (95% from Bogota agencies for at least a cup of coffee. I have my rules of thumb tested over the last year of dating Colombian women which work for me, but they may not work for or appeal to other men.

You have to sort through them, doing it courteously and cost effectively.  And it is way more fun then dating American women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!At this point Im off the market with a noivia and Im hopuing it will work and result in marriage.

Take care
Vaya con Dios, caballeros!!!!

Dennis

 

[KingDphax]

ALWAYS REMEMBER GENTLEMEN:

IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO BECOME THE "RIGHT" PERSON THAN FINDING THE RIGHT PERSON. ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO IMPROVE IN YOUR LIFE? YOUR APPEARANCE? YOUR GROOMING? YOUR TEETH? YOUR CREDIT? YOUR PROFESSION?

THINK ABOUT IT!

-KING DPHAX

[Kiltboy1]

Nah

Everybody knows that latinas will stay with your poor, smelly, insecure Butt because they are SO VERY LOYAL

[lite sweet dude]

Kiltboy,
You're right about avoiding the hand-holding ones. I had one like that in Barranquilla a hand holder and conniver rolled into one. Thank God I wasn't stupid enough to let it get past the dating stage.
Funny thing is she wound up getting some dude to marry her and move her here in Florida. I'd love to be a fly on the wall and see how he's suffering.