Two votes of appreciation for Sean and SocialDreg!!

[Patrick]

Earned in appreciation of their efforts to thwart the predatory sales practices of a certain get rich quick merchant.  Well done!

[sean126]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL....guess who his next target of eloquent insults will be now?

[daytrader]

...That's why 75% of all clients in the program are referrals from original clients...

I never used the term "investment"

I never used the term "system"

I never used the term "get rich quick"

I never used the term "easy"

I never pitched what I did, merely "said" what I did, for that I get vitriol, and no fact-based comments

I correctly called the sell signal this summer

I correctly called the buy signal late february/early march

Dogz, Catz, Patrick, Forum God Jr and SD cannot find a single quote of mine (in context) concerning the above terms to support any of their allegations.  When confronted with facts they just make LOL faces....you guys are legends in your own minds for sure.   

[daytrader]

Earned in appreciation of their efforts to thwart the predatory sales practices of a certain get rich quick merchant.  Well done!

Mark Anthony comes to mind before anyone else on this Board....

[SocialDreg]

The reason that I commented on this thread was maybe to sway somebody from buying this snake oil.

If not ...I have a method that is not get rick quick but will return 100% of your margin every day that the markets are open.  I can't really calculate the annual rate of return because my calculator broke.  But my system oops method can pinpoint daily price movements within 2 ticks. What the heck, I am not perfect. I have this money back guarantee.  If you follow my rules and don't make the above mentioned returns,  I will refund every penny that you sent me.  But I reserve the right to determine if you followed my rules.

I got to go now.   George Soros is  calling to discuss my system...I mean methods.  I think he is going to refer a bunch of his friends.  If he does maybe I can quit selling used cars and travel to Colombia dispensing marital info to newbies.  I have only been there once or twice, speak no Spanish but I know everything there is to know.

If you wanna be traders still want to buy my system,  I suggest you read what the CFTC says above buying systems on the internet.  My only guarantee is that I guarantee that you won't earn 100% daily return on margin

My new website is 100%dailyreturn.com  or  snakeoilfutures.com

[sean126]

I have to admit....I was about to bite last year.  I asked one simple, run of the mill, general question and he wouldn't answer it.....just like he didn't answer my questions in the other thread.  There was no way I was giving my phone number to someone who wouldn't answer a simple question in writing.  I'm not that stupid.  Apparently, if you ask him anything....it's got to be done in a high pressured sales environment.  Otherwise, you won't get anything out of him.   I guess everything I ask is about "confidential information" that has a hefty price tag attached to it, it must be....because they are very easy questions.  Because he gave me the runaround (before), I became very suspicious.

I thought for sure he'd take me up on my offer I made today in the other thread....I guess his silence is a booming; "NO".  He must like the way I moderate to much to  let me resign.          

[SocialDreg]

You saved yourself a bunch of money by not biting

[daytrader]

you guys are SUCH MORONS... I offer free demos via gotomeeting for those that are really interested...you see the software work real time...the whole shabang....I had a trading room in Atlanta view it last week, for instance...

DayTrader

[sean126]

you guys are SUCH MORONS... I offer free demos via gotomeeting for those that are really interested...you see the software work real time...the whole shabang....I had a trading room in Atlanta view it last week, for instance...

DayTrader

This has to do...how, exactly, with my above post or past questions or my offer to you?  I don't see how it links together, but I'm a moron though. 
(****big hint----This is another question for you)

[sean126]

It may not be a bad idea...to have a private yahoo chat room where guys from here could ask you general questions, set up at a specific time.  Someone may ask a question that another person might want to know, but didn't think to ask.  At least it would give you a chance to clear things up....with witness' and you can be the Forum god and not have to worry about moderation.

[catz]

Dogz, Catz, Patrick, Forum God Jr and SD cannot find a single quote of mine (in context) concerning the above terms to support any of their allegations.  When confronted with facts they just make LOL faces....you guys are legends in your own minds for sure.

I do realize that it is very hard to keep the facts straight when the whole world is out to get you but all I have ever accused you of is bloated egocentric posts and your name calling which you love to do but complain about as being unfair just like your best bud papi did all the time but at least he was funny most of the time.

Have yourself a lovely day!

[daytrader]

It may not be a bad idea...to have a private yahoo chat room where guys from here could ask you general questions, set up at a specific time.  Someone may ask a question that another person might want to know, but didn't think to ask.  At least it would give you a chance to clear things up....with witness' and you can be the Forum god and not have to worry about moderation.

if you guys didn't name call, personal attack, question my relationship to God, you would have found out that besides the gotomeeting LIVE DEMO (duh..you see it real time) I support a yahoo chat group for the past 2 years...BUT ... you  resort to name calling, personal attacks, questioning my relationship to God instead.

How does seeing the software work realtime (without paying any money) equivalent  to a pyramid scheme or selling snake oil ?  Catz, Patrick, SocialDreg, jm-22whatever, ForumGodJr....?  HOW??

NO, you guys resort to personal attacks, name calling, questioning my relationship to God..go ahead, that's all you do.  While others make money



DayTader

2nd duh...gotomeeting supports online chat within the group that is attending the meeting! Anyone interested needs to go to the website, come in thru the front door and fill out a form with all information.....since we're into FULL DISCLOSURE...disclosure goes BOTH ways! 

[sean126]

If you calm down for a second....and keep this all in perspective, it's only a forum and people like busting your chops...because it's easy and you react so well to it.

Again...I still think it would be a good idea to have people from here in the same room together and them to ask you general questions without you revealing the ancient Chinese secrets in your Hong Kong book of Kung Fu trading methods or have you say..."just refer to my website".  Is that a good idea? or do you want to stick your lip out a little further? 

[SocialDreg]

That is a bad idea Sean....if someone had a SYSTEM to make 100% of your margin every day, they would not be selling or leasing it on the internet.  End of story. Period.  The claims are so ridiculous .

Write or call the CFTC and ask them what they think about vendors selling, leasing such systems.

[daytrader]

just follow the rules I laid out Sean...you guys come in thru the front door; set up a time for all you to be together and get me to agree to it; in gotomeeting you can talk to each other realtime as well as chat and see the same thing at the same time. 

New people need a orientation before they understand how the charts work, which takes 10 minutes...you won't be able to understand everything but you will get a general idea how to make money off a market that typically moves 300% a day - giving the intraday trader plenty of opportunities to make 100% every day. 

If i am doing alerts to my users group you will see the alerts/advice real time (the alerts use abbreviations, so you might be a little lost) because I will display the yahoo group alert on the screen you are watching.  The gtm can last all trading day if you want. 

Everything that is connected to my organization is state of the art and as World Class as there possible.  Multimedia training movies included.

DayTrader

without facts SocialDreg you are a namecalling smear-poster.  get the facts or shut up.

[sean126]

So....in order to ask you general questions, say, about your warranty....we need to reveal personal information like our full names and telephone numbers?  Sorry, that seems kinda silly and unnecessary just for a few general questions that should be answered just because you appreciate someone taking the time to even consider your software.  If it's that hot, you should hang on to it instead of leasing it.  I'm not complaining...it's your company and method.  If you want people to sing and dance and reveal personal info just to get you to clarify what you've stated, more power to you.  Personally, my questions never even dealt with your method, your software or trading futures.  Sounds like any question, no matter how simple or general, is asking for "confidential information".   Nothing wrong with how you run your public relations I guess.

[daytrader]

So....in order to ask you general questions, say, about your warranty....we need to reveal personal information like our full names and telephone numbers?  Sorry, that seems kinda silly and unnecessary just for a few general questions that should be answered just because you appreciate someone taking the time to even consider your software.  If it's that hot, you should hang on to it instead of leasing it.  I'm not complaining...it's your company and method.  If you want people to sing and dance and reveal personal info just to get you to clarify what you've stated, more power to you.  Personally, my questions never even dealt with your method, your software or trading futures.  Sounds like any question, no matter how simple or general, is asking for "confidential information".   Nothing wrong with how you run your public relations I guess.

Just follow the rules for making a telephone appointment on the website.  I have had lots of hits on the website and never anyone needed clarification of the performance warranty.  People are interested in daytrading or they are not. 

Got any broker and ask to see performance statistics on any futures "system"  (mine is NOT A SYSTEM!)  and you must fill out a full demographic card and typically a financial net worth declaration (I do not need that;  ).   The lease terms are maybe what you are referring to, that is copied from the Performance Warranty on the website along with the stipulations about copying the software, et al.  Anyone that wants to quibble about the warranty  without even finding out what it looks like, they are scarred-dee-pants people and IMO unsuitable for being a daytrader of futures.   

Every futures trader that I have spoken with (from hits on the website) have NEVER had any reservations about telling me who they are.  Futures Traders LOVE  to talk shop with someone knowledgable...YOU are the ONLY person to EVER express any reservations out of zillions of hits on my website and dozens of appointment forms filled out. 

Also, NO ONE demos their futures software (in the futures market) via gotomeeting  --- find 5 others that do it and find all 5 of them displaying their wares without full, verified contact info.  You won't find one one I bet. 

You are the exception to the rule. 

DayTrader

[sean126]

I can accept the fact that you refuse to answer any questions until you know my name, phone number, social security number, where I live, my mother's maiden name, where I went to high school at, ect... or any other personal info you want, even though I think you can't possibly get dumber than that.

What I'm saying is....anyone who is 100% honest, sincere and truthful will have no problems with clarifying a statement that they already previously made.  It's just that simple.  And anyone who gives a "song and dance" or a runaround is cause for suspicion.  Maybe that's why you have always refused to answer my questions.  So why would I want to give this person any personal info in the first place? 

I find it very hard to believe that I am the first and only person who's had a question about your warranty.   This, in and of itself...seems like an exaggeration (at the very least) and adds even a bigger cloud of doubt as to your honesty and fair dealing.     

If anyone else who had a system with a warranty that I was remotely curious about that posted on here, I'd do the same thing.  I will never take anyone's word for something without asking questions and getting clarification.  Anyone who does is...point blank...severely and irreversibly stupid. 

Only an arrogant person would not be able to see that from a customer's stand point, that if you refuse to answer or clarify even the most elementary of questions, then they are thinking...what can I expect as far as customer service or support down the road?  Duh!  You may be intelligent in the realm of developing software and even remotely intelligent at Day trading...but as far as customer service, customer relations and anything related in that field...you lack even the rudimentary notions of what it's all about.

I know what trading is all about...there's a million methods and systems out there. Every single one of them has the same principle behind their methods...when it goes down--do this, when it goes up--do this.  Like I told another salesperson who called me...."there is no holy grail, it would just be another tool in my toolbox."  Tell me I'm lying.  You, yourself use 6 different methods (I won't ask that question again, you seen it the first time).   

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.  I think you've removed it for me and answered the most important question for me and anyone else who's reading this with minimal intelligence.

[SocialDreg]

You have it exactly right.  Why lease it?  Because system vendors know they can make money selling or leasing their system.  They can not make 100% returns on daily margin on a consistent basis.  And by putting a fairly high lease price on it people think it may be worth something.

This vendor is calling it a method.  My advice is to ask the CFTC about this particular method and see what response you get.  There are rules as to what system vendors can say and not say.  Ask them.

Some people don't ask for their money back.  This warranty is full of holes.  By calling it a method with some discretionary decisions on the part of the buyer, the warranty doesn't come into play.

Can you imagine trying to get your money back from a vendor with no skills in customer relations?  Good luck

[daytrader]

You have it exactly right.  Why lease it?  Because system vendors know they can make money selling or leasing their system.  They can not make 100% returns on daily margin on a consistent basis.  And by putting a fairly high lease price on it people think it may be worth something.

This vendor is calling it a method.  My advice is to ask the CFTC about this particular method and see what response you get.  There are rules as to what system vendors can say and not say.  Ask them.

Some people don't ask for their money back.  This warranty is full of holes.  By calling it a method with some discretionary decisions on the part of the buyer, the warranty doesn't come into play.

Can you imagine trying to get your money back from a vendor with no skills in customer relations?  Good luck

again, you speak with an absence of fact SD.  The advantage of leasing is you get real time support from the Programmer/Analyst (me), you get upgrades and you get hooked up with  all the other users realtime via headset. 

So instead of throwing a bunch of stuff to learn at somebody, they get 1 on 1 training and then when doing paper trading or live trading they are connected with other users who they can discuss the "discretionary" part of the decision making. At no extra dang charge...put that in your pipe and smoke it SD. 

Someone that is part time or struggling and is only netting 10% of margin per day still pays for their overhead, totally. 

Find me something that makes only 10% of what is warranted AND the methodology is can be backtested ad finitum...and the customer breaks even...you will be laughed out of any regulatory agency you presume to go to SD. 

Also, they have ALREADY seen the software work to their satisfaction before even being OFFERED a lease agreement.  If they aren't COMPLETELY CONFIDENT this is a good fit for them I DON'T OFFER THEM A LEASE AGREEMENT !

No one can get the software without the lease agreement...duh!  Yes, I turn down people for the program cuz they struggle with making clear decisions involving tyically $30 of risk per trade. 

Dudes that can't risk $30 per trade will also be laughed out of any regulatory office they choose to bother with this nonsense. 

They also will laugh when 75% of all the subscribers HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO THE PROGRAM BY A SATISFIED USER ! (hysterical laughter by the regulatory bureaucrats).  SD pontificates...that miserable customer service guy, he only gets referrals from almost everyone of his clients within 4 months of them signing up...he's a MISERABLE failure! 


LOL

DayTrader

[SocialDreg]

Hey math wiz.....what is the annual return if you make 10% a day?

[daytrader]

I haven't updated the website yet, but all current subscribers leases have been updated to reflect the following addendum to the existing 100% return on margin warranty...Specific methodologies are referred to in the Performance Warranty Addeundum below. Total documentation (in PDF form) is 20 pages or less which contains all illustrated trading examples (10 pages) and text (10 pages). 

100% Performance Warranty of E-Mini 5.0

The average daily range of the Dow Mini Contract is 98 points per day.  The required margin of this E-Mini contract is $500 at Global Futures with a point value of $5 per point.  The Dow E-Mini Contract generally retraces 200 to 300 points per day during the pre-market and day session.  Utilizing the trading techniques taught by {website} of RR, RS, Uptrend Continuation, Uptrend Confirmation, Lowest Blue, DT and HS via 1 Minute Institutional Stops plotted by Red, Blue and Cyan, the Daytrader will be warranted to

> Use the trading methodology at all times, taking profits at known RR's and RS's
> Use limited risk at all trades, typically less than 6 ticks
> Exit winnning trades on the first contract at one cycle of profit, a cycle being 14  points from low to high or high to low
> Attain 500 points of profit if using the methodology for 5 complete trading days within one calender week.

 

DayTrader

[Ray]

       

[daytrader]

Ray, for a guy that DOES make a lot of good posts about visas and complex immigration issues, you are a BORE.  You have not contributed anything of substance to any thread that I've had input on in a long time. 

So, Ray, if this is so boring, why are professional trading rooms signing up as lease holders of my software??  One gotomeeting and they write a check. 

DayTrader

[Ray]