The Age Issue...

[Kiltboy1]

I give prompts to all you guys that dig the young chicas. 22 CP. not for me. I have a very low tolerance for immaturity , which Colombianas have an abundance of. I always went for the 26-33 range and while I never married any of them, I was able to get along well with them. i dated many 18-24  and the sex was hot, but the more mature women knew there way around a mans body . I take 26-33 over the young chicas any day
 
KB

[utopiacowboy]

Uh oh benjio ... looks like you got some 'splainin' to do!

Good one IV!  I'm sure if I told my 94lb wife that she has a big ass she'd be happy too!

One of the classes she goes to at the gym is called "supercola".  Needless to say, I love bugging her about it and never fail to ask her how her supercolita is after the class.

Now that was amusing. You bad boy, Whitey!

[benjio]

I give prompts to all you guys that dig the young chicas. 22 CP. not for me. I have a very low tolerance for immaturity , which Colombianas have an abundance of. I always went for the 26-33 range and while I never married any of them, I was able to get along well with them. i dated many 18-24  and the sex was hot, but the more mature women knew there way around a mans body . I take 26-33 over the young chicas any day
 
KB

YEP!!!!!!

[benjio]

How thoughtful of you, I hope they return your kindness without too much extra... and no, I am not attacking you it just rubs me the wrong way when someone tries to justify lying, just like if you have to hide to do something it means you shouldn't be doing it, if you have to lie about something it means you should not be talking/doing it in the first place, there is a time to say certain things, but that certainly does not justify lying to me. A quick change of subject or a very direct "it's a bit too soon to get into those details" is perfectly acceptable.


Here is an example where most guys think they should lie and how it will work in your favor if you don't:


latina: does my ass look big in this jeans?
gringo dating latina: yes, in every single pair, wonderfully so.
latina: 

Innocent Vixen, I have the utmost respect for the opinions of women, especially a sincere, intelligent woman like yourself that's a perfect example of exactly what I'm looking for. But I'd like to bring to your attention to the fact that not one man on here reacted like you did, and I think every single man on this board understood what I was talking about when I wrote that. Any man that post on this thread after I finish this post claiming he doesn't know what I'm talking about is representing a perfect example of the lies I'm speaking of. Nothing harmful, nothing detramental, just small innocent comments that may or may not include the entire truth us gentlemen are sometimes forced to utter to keep the peace in a relationship.
 
I can tell by your reaction you've obviously been lied to by a past love, as have most Latinas I've met. But are you really sitting in front of your computer right now, self-righteously making the proclaimation that you have absolutely, NEVER, EVER told a white lie to someone you were in a relationship with? How about a parent or relative, a friend? Really want to go down that road?

[robert angel]

Uh oh benjio ... looks like you got some 'splainin' to do!

Good one IV!  I'm sure if I told my 94lb wife that she has a big ass she'd be happy too!

One of the classes she goes to at the gym is called "supercola".  Needless to say, I love bugging her about it and never fail to ask her how her supercolita is after the class.

This timing is kind of funny. My wife is in Makati, Manila, Philippines right now (according to Wikipedia anyway it's the most densely populated city on earth right now) before she flies over the PI's some 7000 islands, to delighful Davao City and then onto the family farm, back in the province.
 
However she called me this morning and among other things, told me that as she was entering her brother's apartment building, her sister in law told her she'd overheard some guys ('city boys')  outside, admiring my wife's butt. Apparently they were actively admiring her butt from a distance, somewhat heatedly debating on whether or not it was natural--ie 'real', or 'surgically enhanced' for optimum appearance. Apparently they thought it was something of a 'work of art'--lol.

 
I guess with the significant Spanish influence in her Asian blood and her 'body type,' she does look a bit like some Colombianas --she doesn't really have the 'chinky eyes',  as they refer to the eyes of some people with more purely Asian looks over there and her dialect actually has a lot of Spanish in it---in fact the area where she was born was called 'New Spain' at one time. The gay guy who did her hair earlier in the day, also admired her 'posterior', but with a little more tact, only making the 'gay guy/girlfriend' kind of small talk with her after she repeatedly, to his disbelief,  assurred him that she REALLY wasn't 18 y/o or younger-- that she was in fact 'thirtyish' and that the wedding ring on her left hand was quite real. Over there, women in the 90-to 95 pound range seldom have much of a rear end and it obviously got noticed!
 
Speaking of age, they both agreed that it was a mistake for her have had her hair trimmed, creating 'bangs' over her forehead a while back, because that made her look more like 14 y/o if they couldn't stay brushed back. She had seen that look, watching the popular Korean soaps and thought it'd look good on her--then she almost wouldn't leave the house when she saw how it actually did made her look--she was almost in tears.
 
Not that I'd ever ask her to, but she is glad that unlike some other guys ask (and get) their wives to do, I never have asked her to wear a plaid, Catholic school iniform skirt, the white shirt and bobby socks. Hell, if I did and was seen holding hands and giving her even a quick kiss in public, I'm sure I'd get arrested!--Like "Book him, Dano!"

 
I sometimes tease her a little bit that if she puts on a couple pounds, it all goes to her rear end and she was delighted to tell me that it is actually seen as quite an ASSet back home. With appropriate measures of modesty and pride, she told me I should be proud! And as usual, I am indeed and told her so
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But alas, our king size bed has never seemed as big and lonely as it does lately!

[fathertime]

When I joined this forum and heard about the dating agencies I was sad we didn't have that option here in Mexico, after all I've read about them I am not sure I would join one if I had the chance anymore, not if it worked like the ones in Colombia anyways, like whitey's lady I feel it's too much of a meat market for a somewhat shy and non-competitive woman as myself, then again if the option was here I would have gone and take a look before I knew any better and who knows? I might have gotten lucky.

so it seems that your attitude at first would have been good if you joined an agency...but it might have turned rancid after a little experience within the agency!  i've had great experiences within agencies but many have not...


Fathertime!

[fathertime]

I give prompts to all you guys that dig the young chicas. 22 CP. not for me. I have a very low tolerance for immaturity , which Colombianas have an abundance of. I always went for the 26-33 range and while I never married any of them, I was able to get along well with them. i dated many 18-24  and the sex was hot, but the more mature women knew there way around a mans body . I take 26-33 over the young chicas any day
 
KB

true, true, younger is generally less mature...this is not easy for most men...low tolerance definitely means better odds with older woman, generally speaking!  for me, i choose to go younger and am happy i did!


Fathertime!

[Researcher]

i've had great experiences within agencies but many have not...


Fathertime!

         I had some great experiences also.I know its not for everyone but I have never understood what the big deal is.You see someone you like, meet them and decide if you want to go further with anything.One thing is for sure if you are single meeting the opposite sex is about the only way to find the right person.Whether it is online, in an agency or on the street what's the difference?No one is going to be forced to be with someone they don't want to be with.That's a choice made by the couple.Seems like the more options you have the better choice you can make.

     Researcher

[InSanDiego]

re: agencies vs. internet site,  I know for a fact I have seen some of the super hotties from Jamie's agency currently on Colombian Cupid, so if a woman is looking she has more than one option over there...

[Researcher]

     Hey InSanDiego, the hottie on the internet could be the same hottie in the agency who is also the same hottie on the street or in the club.

     Researcher

[maritime04]

i am alittle late on the issue.
 
just like you benjio i am in my 30s living in Medellin, currently engaged to a 20 year old. we have been togeather for almost 2 years and living togeather for a year plus. Like your self i dated and "played the field", till i met someone diffrent and speacial, and with luck made a relationship work, we have problems and issues like any other couple.
 
I would never recommend or tell anyone that dating younger colombian women is easy, or finding some one in that age group easy, its difficult and hard due to many culture issues and life in Colombia.
 
good luck in your search, and dating pasias is not that bad!

[InnocentVixen]

Benjio, like I mentioned on my post, your words rubbed me the wrong way, you certainly have no obligation to explain anything to me or I to you, but here it is in case you care: Yes I have lied, the lying I've done has been for my own benefit, I would never dare to put someone else "well being" as an excuse for my behavior, I take full responsibility for my actions, in fact I have mentioned before that I tend to be painfully honest and that is the reason I look for someone who can handle it.


As for being lied to, just as we have all lied, we have all been lied to, why complicate a relationship with that sort of thing? I don't feel is a must, I don't see the benefit, but that is only my opinion, I hope to get what I give, there for hoping to find a painfully honest man, I wish you happiness with a woman that will lie to you for your own good if that is what makes you happy. I have tolerance for a lot of things but lies are not one of them.


P.S. nobody reacted the way I did because I am a woman, I am mexican... and I am just plain weird in case you haven't noticed


@Robert: with all the respect to your wife, I believe she has lovely curves, which to me means being a bit on the big side compared to the rest of your frame in strategic areas and with a nice shape, it's not about how much you weight or what size you wear... and she does have a supercolita! (sorry couldn't help it, I've never heard of that class before, sounds funny!)


I agree with fathertime, the reason indeed I would no longer join an agency is because the agency idea went rancid on me even without visiting one just by reading posts here, that it doesn't work for me it doesn't mean it won't work for another kind of girl or even one with similar personality if she finds her man while she is testing the waters, but too much information has made me skip that stage, it's too late for me!

[benjio]

Innocent Vixen, from your posts here on the board, I don't think you're weird at all! It's always nice to have the point of view of a Latina as I don't feel you all are fairly represented sometimes on forums of this nature. Us gringos can rant and rabble all we want, but having a Latina perspective is one of the most valuable assets in any of our discussions. The only thing I'd call unusual about you is your command of the English Language, which is no less than excellent. I have no idea what your history is, whether you've spent time in the states, are an English Teacher or what, but I just haven't seen that much. In Mexico, Colombia, Panama, Peru or anywhere else I've visited in Latin America.
 
I felt an obligation to explain my comment because I don't want to give someone like yourself the impression that I'm a generally dishonest person in a relationship. I too, would call myself a brutally honest person...which is why I can't lie about lying.
 
I'll give you an example of one of the few times I felt it necessary to do this. I was dating a Mexicana here in Houston about 5 years ago. Very good girl. Beautiful, devoted, faithful and positive...AND SHE COULD COOK!!!! However, she was extremely jealous. Anyway, one of my ex-girlfriends (another Mexicana) that hadn't quite gotten over me yet and was still calling me everyday. I had explained to her on numerous occasions I had moved on and she was jeopardizing my current relationship with her crazy behavior. At that time, I was self-employed, so changing my number wasn't even an option. Most of my customers were familiar with that number and changing it could have meant me losing business (which I absolutely couldn't afford to do at that time). I explained to my girlfriend at the time that my previous girlfriend was still calling and I couldn't do anything about that, but it still made her VERY upset. My girlfriend took it upon herself to call and threaten her when I was in the shower one day. This only made things worse. One Valentines Day, I made reservations at a nice restuarant here in Houston. I bought tickets to the symphony and I booked a hotel room so we could spend the night together somewhere different. Right after we ordered our meals while we were in the restaurant, my ex started calling. I immediately turned my phone off after I saw her number the first time. My girlfriend asked me was that my ex, and rather than ruin what turned out to be one of the best date nights of my life, I told her "No, I don't recognize the number. Either way, I'm with you and I'm not answering any calls right now. If it's important they'll leave a message."
 
A few days later I did tell her the truth, and she was upset. But I explained to her that I didn't want anything to ruin our special evening, and eventually she understood.
 
Now I'll admit that I told her a blatant lie, but is there anyone that would have done something different in that situation? Please chime in if so.

[Researcher]

Benjio, like I mentioned on my post, your words rubbed me the wrong way, you certainly have no obligation to explain anything to me or I to you, but here it is in case you care: Yes I have lied, the lying I've done has been for my own benefit, I would never dare to put someone else "well being" as an excuse for my behavior, I take full responsibility for my actions, in fact I have mentioned before that I tend to be painfully honest and that is the reason I look for someone who can handle it.


As for being lied to, just as we have all lied, we have all been lied to, why complicate a relationship with that sort of thing? I don't feel is a must, I don't see the benefit, but that is only my opinion, I hope to get what I give, there for hoping to find a painfully honest man, I wish you happiness with a woman that will lie to you for your own good if that is what makes you happy. I have tolerance for a lot of things but lies are not one of them.


P.S. nobody reacted the way I did because I am a woman, I am mexican... and I am just plain weird in case you haven't noticed


@Robert: with all the respect to your wife, I believe she has lovely curves, which to me means being a bit on the big side compared to the rest of your frame in strategic areas and with a nice shape, it's not about how much you weight or what size you wear... and she does have a supercolita! (sorry couldn't help it, I've never heard of that class before, sounds funny!)


I agree with fathertime, the reason indeed I would no longer join an agency is because the agency idea went rancid on me even without visiting one just by reading posts here, that it doesn't work for me it doesn't mean it won't work for another kind of girl or even one with similar personality if she finds her man while she is testing the waters, but too much information has made me skip that stage, it's too late for me!

      Hey IV, as far as agencies go I am one of the few if not the only one on this forum that can make a comparison between Mexico and Colombia as far as agencies go.There is a difference in them.Alot of guys want to talk negative about agencies in Colombia but from my experience its not so much the agencies as it is the culture and agency combined.Since the culture in Mexico is different I found the agency I used there different than in Colombia.The women in Mexico were more conservative...in dress and attitude.The men that were customers were different also.Many of the men were wealthy.

      I do agree though that an agency may not be for you.If you are shy you would probably prefer using websites and deciding to meet a guy after corresponding a while.If you have a problem with meeting guys who are meeting other women then an agency isn't for you.I met some great ladies in Mexico.One young lady in the Mexican agency had just finished med school and was a doctor.There were other professionals there as well.So the image of all agency women being poor desperate women isn't completely true.In Bogota I met several women that had good jobs.There were some nurses, dentists, business managers and so on.One lady I got fairly serious with was a teacher.So, while I do agree alot with how agencies are represented on this forum there are also some assumptions that are a little off base.

      Researcher

[dennislevy]

What I learned to do.....is turn off my cell phone when Im on a date. I think all things considered its easier to say  to another woman who tried to call me  me while I as on a date...I was sleeping or re charging the battery then deal with the woman I m sitting across the table from me.


I written extensively about agenices in Colombia and belonged to three in Bogota. all things considered it was an invaluable expereine for me. I would not recommend them for everyone and a guy has to have a lot fo confidence in himself....but i enjoyed the process...as a customer..

 

[robert angel]

Re:
>>What I learned to do.....is turn off my cell phone when Im on a date. I think all things considered its easier to say  to another woman who tried to call me  me while I as on a date...I was sleeping or re charging the battery then deal with the woman I m sitting across the table from me.<<
I love an honest liar!
Just imagining the look in some Colombiana's eyes if Dennis DID answer the phone over coffee with her and the converstion got a little heated and longer than he anticipated--lol. If there's hell to pay, I'll always ask for a no interest rain check on paying the bill whenever possible!

[Gato4Astrid]

At that time, I was self-employed, so changing my number wasn't even an option. Most of my customers were familiar with that number and changing it could have meant me losing business (which I absolutely couldn't afford to do at that time).

Never mixed with business and pleasure!   Phone number or e-mail addresses!!

[robert angel]

Re:
 
 
>>Never mixed with business and pleasure<<
 
Have you cross referenced this policy with ZON?

[Traveler]

Gato,
 
The guy was self-employed.  It is cumbersome to have two phones and carry them around and has no benefit to it.  Secondly, do you think that the ex in his story would not find out his work number given her behavior?

[InnocentVixen]

@Benjio: yes, I am an english teacher, and maybe it's just the way I see things but when I say a lie such as the one you did that many call a "white lie" it always stays in the back of my mind that it was for my benefit and I feel bad about it (for example if I was you in your situation I would have thought something among the lines of "well I didn't felt like dealing with it and ruin our moment") since it would certainly ruin the moment for both sides, not only for her, by the sounds of it you had no interest in talking to your ex right? but like I said before, that phrase making it sound like it's for the other's persons own good rubbed me the wrong way, the timing certainly made me jump to the comment, sorry if I scared you!


I think specially early in the relationship it is important to stay honest, if there is something you can't control (like a stalker ex) it would be a good idea you deal with it before getting in another relationship, it would save you the trouble of finding yourself in an uncomfortable situation, as far as I am concerned trust is something that is given until the person gives you a reason to doubt, if in doubt you better prove yourself honest or the trust will be broken forever, as for your jealous girlfriend, I can't imagine a woman that wouldn't get jealous after hearing a guy's ex call him all the time and he not solving the problem to get rid of the calls, once the relationship has matured then I think it is pretty safe to stay honest but if you find it easier to use white lies, at least your partner will not get the wrong idea.



@Researcher: that info is a gem!! I had no idea, I remember when I first got here I tried to find an agency, they had a mexican one in the directory but it was located in Guadalajara I believe, it is nowhere close to me but I had considered that if the option was good enough I could just take a quick flight there every once in a while, the agency never responded to my email though and the website was quite old and it didn't look like it had been updated, so I figured they had closed it, it makes sense that in a different culture they manage different approach, that is why I said the colombian way is not for me, it sounds a bit too aggressive for my taste, I am more conservative but at the same time I don't mind a guy talking or dating women while he is talking to me, after he meets me if he wants to get to know me better that is a different story though.

[utopiacowboy]

I had to laugh. You have to start honest - the lying can start later!