China Visa Problems and work

[Justkeepthatinmind]

I have a filipina fiancee who works in China as a teacher. It was originally scheduled that we were going to move to the Philippines but the Chinese school she works for decided to not give her all the credits she earned, deserved,and worked for so she can take her oath back home. So she has ended up having to stay way past the time she was supposed to. She may have to stay for up to one year longer than was planned.

I want to apply for a visa in China so I can be together with her.I dont want to wait another year just for us to be together. So what is the best visa to apply for when it comes to trying to have temporary residence?I do not want to stay permanently,just long enough for her to get enough credits in the next year. I am not quite sure which one would work out the best so any help would be appreciated.

[Dave H]

I have a filipina fiancee who works in China as a teacher. It was originally scheduled that we were going to move to the Philippines but the Chinese school she works for decided to not give her all the credits she earned, deserved,and worked for so she can take her oath back home. So she has ended up having to stay way past the time she was supposed to. She may have to stay for up to one year longer than was planned.

I want to apply for a visa in China so I can be together with her.I dont want to wait another year just for us to be together. So what is the best visa to apply for when it comes to trying to have temporary residence?I do not want to stay permanently,just long enough for her to get enough credits in the next year. I am not quite sure which one would work out the best so any help would be appreciated.

Hi Justkeepthatinmind,

What if the Chinese school continues to force her to work even longer beyond her contract obligations? Maybe 100 years more! I wouldn't trust the commie bastards! Can she get some kind of Chinese legal representation? She should definitely contact the Philippine Embassy!

Dave

[Ray]

Where in China?

Would her visa allow an accompanying spouse?

[Capstone]

I have a filipina fiancee who works in China as a teacher. It was originally scheduled that we were going to move to the Philippines but the Chinese school she works for decided to not give her all the credits she earned, deserved,and worked for so she can take her oath back home. So she has ended up having to stay way past the time she was supposed to. She may have to stay for up to one year longer than was planned.

I want to apply for a visa in China so I can be together with her.I dont want to wait another year just for us to be together. So what is the best visa to apply for when it comes to trying to have temporary residence?I do not want to stay permanently,just long enough for her to get enough credits in the next year. I am not quite sure which one would work out the best so any help would be appreciated.

From what I understand there really is no temporary residence visa issued by China if you do not already have employment lined up. What you would do is get a Multi Entry tourist visa and then once you get to China you will register with the local police authorities (this is the law if you are not staying in a hotel, which would take care of this for you). Once your tourist visa stay is close to expiring then you would again go to the local police station and they can renew it for you there. I believe that after they renew it 2 or 3 times then they will extend it for a year. I would suggest posting this question on www.candleforlove.com which is a Chinese specific site - many of the regular posters on that site either have or are currently living in China with their spouses/fiancees and will be able to give you a more accurate answer.

[Bob_S]

I don't know what the hell kind of system they got where teaching earns you credit so you can take some sort of oath, but I'm with Dave on this.  Don't trust the Chi-coms.  They'll screw you six ways to Sunday.  Make like a bird and get her the flock outta' there.  What are they offering that is worth anything in the long run anyway?  Nothing.  Not a damn thing, once you become her husband and the provider for her and the 27 babies she's gonna crank out for you.

[Justkeepthatinmind]

Hi Justkeepthatinmind,

What if the Chinese school continues to force her to work even longer beyond her contract obligations? Maybe 100 years more! I wouldn't trust the commie bastards! Can she get some kind of Chinese legal representation? She should definitely contact the Philippine Embassy!

Dave

The same kind of school that holds her passport and only gives it to her when they see fit to let her have it back.She is really passive and won't do anything about it.They won't keep her but for another year.They said she did not earn everything she needs for this year because of some school rule about unplanned holidays? I am not quite sure yet what it is.

Bob,
A few too many kids for me there . It is important to her to be a teacher. It's sort of a family tradition. I tried to tell her to just leave but since it bears much importance to her,I won't force the issue.

Capstone,
I appreciate the link and I will look into that if everything can get straightened out. I was just worried because the only viable option I saw was permanent residence.

Ray,
I don't know honestly,I should tell her to find out.I am not good with this visa stuff.

[Bob_S]

It is important to her to be a teacher. It's sort of a family tradition. I tried to tell her to just leave but since it bears much importance to her,I won't force the issue.

So you are getting involved with a woman who completely ignores your very sound advice? (he asked rhetorically?)  Uh huh.  Good luck with that.     She could go to her embassy and tell them her passport was stolen (doesn't need to go into details) and get issued a new one, be out of there within a week.  But instead she is choosing to set herself up in a situation where she will be unavailable to you for another year.  Because China is the only place in the entire world where she can get some special teaching credential.  Against your advice of course. 

So, uh, why were you seeking a foreign spouse? Because they are so loving and dutiful and devoted to their man?  Or is it just a case of yellow fever? 

Now where did I put my clue-bat.  Use it on her or use it on yourself.  Seriously, the whole situation is majorly screwed up and she needs to get out.  What they are doing to her is wrong.  If she won't listen to you, then you know where you stand.

[Ray]

The same kind of school that holds her passport and only gives it to her when they see fit to let her have it back.She is really passive and won't do anything about it.They won't keep her but for another year.

I don't know about the rest of that stuff, but is illegal to withhold someone's passport. That is the same as enslaving a person and forcing them to work for you. Employers of foreign workers attempt to use this tactic while intimidating the victims with threats of deportation, jail, or whatever, by reporting them to the authorities for whatever trumped up reason. Or in this case by apparently withholding her earned education credits.

She is most likely working under a written contract and it seems that they are violating that contract for their own advantage.

She should report this to the Philippine consulate in China immediately, but as you alluded to, these women tend to be very non-confrontational and will rarely stir the pot by standing up for their rights. The employers know this very well and the unscrupulous ones take advantage of it.

I guess all you can do is to strongly encourage her to report them and get the hell out of there, but in the end, it's still up to her. I wouldn’t hold your breath.

Good luck with this…

Ray

[Justkeepthatinmind]

So, uh, why were you seeking a foreign spouse? Because they are so loving and dutiful and devoted to their man?  Or is it just a case of yellow fever? 

Why are you giving me a hard time? What did I do to you?

I don't know about the rest of that stuff, but is illegal to withhold someone's passport. That is the same as enslaving a person and forcing them to work for you. Employers of foreign workers attempt to use this tactic while intimidating the victims with threats of deportation, jail, or whatever, by reporting them to the authorities for whatever trumped up reason. Or in this case by apparently withholding her earned education credits.

She is most likely working under a written contract and it seems that they are violating that contract for their own advantage.

She should report this to the Philippine consulate in China immediately, but as you alluded to, these women tend to be very non-confrontational and will rarely stir the pot by standing up for their rights. The employers know this very well and the unscrupulous ones take advantage of it.

I guess all you can do is to strongly encourage her to report them and get the hell out of there, but in the end, it's still up to her. I wouldn’t hold your breath.

Good luck with this…

Ray

Thanks,I will let her know what they are doing is illegal and yes she is under contract with them.I was not sure about the laws and regulations in china.

[Dave H]

I don't know about the rest of that stuff, but is illegal to withhold someone's passport. That is the same as enslaving a person and forcing them to work for you. Employers of foreign workers attempt to use this tactic while intimidating the victims with threats of deportation, jail, or whatever, by reporting them to the authorities for whatever trumped up reason.

They do that all the time in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Muslim countries. If a married employer has sex with the foreign worker (including rape), she is often arrested and charged with practicing witchcraft by the religious police.

[jm21-2]

Why are you giving me a hard time? What did I do to you?

I think Bob's point was that most guys are looking for an Asian wife because they are perceived to be more dutiful and loyal to their husband, more likely to take his advice/let him take the lead, more likely to put husband and family first, etc. This girl seems to place getting that anomalous teaching credential in a much higher priority than you and ignoring the sound advice you've given her. Makes it sound like she's stubborn, more interested in her career than you, and would rather pursue a fairly dismal course of action than let you help her. So, at first glance, she seems to lack the qualities a lot of guys are looking for in an Asian wife, so you may want to re-evaluate the relationship.

[piglett]

I think Bob's point was that most guys are looking for an Asian wife because they are perceived to be more dutiful and loyal to their husband, more likely to take his advice/let him take the lead, more likely to put husband and family first, etc. This girl seems to place getting that anomalous teaching credential in a much higher priority than you and ignoring the sound advice you've given her. Makes it sound like she's stubborn, more interested in her career than you, and would rather pursue a fairly dismal course of action than let you help her. So, at first glance, she seems to lack the qualities a lot of guys are looking for in an Asian wife, so you may want to re-evaluate the relationship.

You have made some good points JM
I'm not sure what angle Justkeep is looking at this from.
maybe we don't have all the information
& if we did we would look at this situation differently??

Justkeep have you already met this lady in person?
I am guessing that you have if your engaged.
sound to me like you need to take the bull by the horns.
I think i would get on a plane & tell your bride to be that steps have to be taken NOW so she can get her passport either back or so she can get a replacement.
I would also tell her that you & her are leaving China ASAP & there is a chance that she will not be able to get her certification rite off but you have her best interest in mind,
but she needs to trust you & do what needs to be done to fix this mess.
this may be the defining moment in your relationship.
it may turn out well & then again it may turn out badly.

guess you'll find out soon
piglett

 
 

[bcc_1_2]

Justkeep have you already met this lady in person?

That is exactly what I wanted to know. I know he said she is his fiance, but from reading it and his interest in getting a visa to China it sounds like they may not have met.

[Dave H]

It is important to her to be a teacher. It's sort of a family tradition. I tried to tell her to just leave but since it bears much importance to her,I won't force the issue.

Hey Justkeepthatinmind,

This all sounds a bit strange! Is your fiancee working or going to school in China? If she was educated in the Philippines, there is need to go to China to become a teacher or for experience. She just needs to pass the Philippines Teacher's Board Exam. Is she a Chinese Filipina trying to get in touch with her roots? Or a Filipina trying to get some kind of accreditation in China that she can add to her resume as a teacher of Chinese subjects, perhaps at a private Chinese school in the Philippines?

Weird about her mother...there are very few Filipinos who wouldn't love a Kano son-in-law! The more the merrier!

Dave

[Justkeepthatinmind]

You have made some good points JM
I'm not sure what angle Justkeep is looking at this from.
maybe we don't have all the information
& if we did we would look at this situation differently??

Justkeep have you already met this lady in person?
I am guessing that you have if your engaged.
sound to me like you need to take the bull by the horns.
I think i would get on a plane & tell your bride to be that steps have to be taken NOW so she can get her passport either back or so she can get a replacement.
I would also tell her that you & her are leaving China ASAP & there is a chance that she will not be able to get her certification rite off but you have her best interest in mind,
but she needs to trust you & do what needs to be done to fix this mess.
this may be the defining moment in your relationship.
it may turn out well & then again it may turn out badly.

guess you'll find out soon
piglett

Yes we have met in person many times and we have been together for quite a while now. She has been working at this school since before we met each other. She is so close to being finished that I do not want to take it away from her now. If she was not so close to being finished I would put my foot down on the issue to quit. She said herself she is so close and she doesn't want to disappoint her mother. She said to me before that she was willing to quit but at the time it did not seem like a good idea since we were not engaged yet.

She said if it was not for her mother,she would have quit and been with me a long time ago. Normally I put my foot down on things but relationships are give and take,this is part of my giving. Its a bit difficult to fully explain the whole situation I think.

Weird about her mother...there are very few Filipinos who wouldn't love a Kano son-in-law! The more the merrier!
Dave

I don't think it was so much me being Kano as it was that I am not very religious and her mother is not ready for her to get married. Then again her brother is 30 and she thinks he is too young to get married

[Dave H]

I don't think it was so much me being Kano as it was that I am not very religious and her mother is not ready for her to get married. Then again her brother is 30 and she thinks he is too young to get married

Hey Justkeepthatinmind,

Oh I see...it sounds like her mother is quite difficult! She sounds like the typical Latina mother-in-law! Whenever mommy calls all life stops...it doesn't matter if it is dinner time! Does she have Spanish blood? Hopefully your lady will learn to put you first once you are married. I feel sorry for her brother's future wife! She is going to have a living HELL!

Dave