Changing Traditions and other Cultures Differences

[Bear]

So everyone scream about the safet of Windows XP and then when confronted with a more secure system hates it. 
Be careful what you wish for in Windows 7, you might get it. 

Shadow I don't know you very well but I am confused by this statement?  Why is it that the only path to security to to completely change how every program works and to force you to comply with "unrequested, non-agreed to regulation".  Why does a picture opening off main screen a security issue?  Why is sharing files on a "home" network a security issue?  Why in my home am I required to have a password that still won't allow me access from the other computers in my home a security issue?  Why do I have to spend hours researching things that should have been explained before changed and queried as to the "publics" desire.  Isn't that what drives their sales, what the public wants and needs?

The average person can't change for two caps of soap to one when they double the strength of the mixture (millions of studies have shown this - my first degree is in Advertising) so how does MS think the average person will hunt all these changes and configure them with out a "simple method" of doing so?  Vista was a poorly conceived and badly orchestrated product that caused MS a lot of consumer trust and belief.  But there preemptive distruction of their competitors leaves them strong(?) without a market.

The Bear Family

[Shadow_mas]

Shadow I don't know you very well but I am confused by this statement?  Why is it that the only path to security to to completely change how every program works and to force you to comply with "unrequested, non-agreed to regulation".  Why does a picture opening off main screen a security issue?  Why is sharing files on a "home" network a security issue?  Why in my home am I required to have a password that still won't allow me access from the other computers in my home a security issue?  Why do I have to spend hours researching things that should have been explained before changed and queried as to the "publics" desire.  Isn't that what drives their sales, what the public wants and needs?

The average person can't change for two caps of soap to one when they double the strength of the mixture (millions of studies have shown this - my first degree is in Advertising) so how does MS think the average person will hunt all these changes and configure them with out a "simple method" of doing so?  Vista was a poorly conceived and badly orchestrated product that caused MS a lot of consumer trust and belief.  But there preemptive distruction of their competitors leaves them strong(?) without a market.

The Bear Family

The security issues are not yours, but they are how a lot of malware and viruses work. They attack or overwrite files in non-secured folders. The solution Microsoft cooked up is basicly sound, however it does need either blind following of the conventions Microsot introduced with XP, or understanding of how Vista is built.
Any file that resides in the 'Program files' or 'Windows' folder is protected from unauthorized access. That means that administrator rights are needed. Now if you use software written 'old style' that stores the data under 'program files' rather than 'Documents' you are in trouble, because for every opening of a file you need administrator approval.
Similarly any file that is not in a 'public' folder is refused remote access. However 'public' does not mean that the whole world can at once access your files. It just means that those files can be approved for remote access.

As far as not spending all ca$h on $oftware again, I think I will have to disappoint you. Any software company lives from sales, without that they would not be able to afford their luxury offices and private jets, let alone the hamburgers in the cantina.
This means that they must find a reason to make clients buy updates. And what better reason than compatibility to a new operating system ?  After all it gets harder and harder to add useful features.
This is an exchange between all those big companies in the IT sector. Hardware makers produce faster hardware, software makers make new software that does not run good on the old hardware. Once a large number of people upgrades, the hardware makers can introduce the next generation.
The first PC I mentioned ran a word processor, database, spreadsheet and accounting program. Basicly it did what modern PC's do and not a lot slower. And that with 64Kb (no not even Mb) RAM and two 360Kb floppy drives.  Less than we put in a school calculator nowadays.  So face it, we are the victims of our own lust for bigger and better....

[Bear]

The security issues are not yours, but they are how a lot of malware and viruses work. They attack or overwrite files in non-secured folders. The solution Microsoft cooked up is basicly sound, however it does need either blind following of the conventions Microsot introduced with XP, or understanding of how Vista is built.
Any file that resides in the 'Program files' or 'Windows' folder is protected from unauthorized access. That means that administrator rights are needed. Now if you use software written 'old style' that stores the data under 'program files' rather than 'Documents' you are in trouble, because for every opening of a file you need administrator approval.
Similarly any file that is not in a 'public' folder is refused remote access. However 'public' does not mean that the whole world can at once access your files. It just means that those files can be approved for remote access.

1st good malware/spyware programs and some good additions to Windows like "Protect mode" are good and prevent most malware and viruses and a good virus program doe the rest but none will protect forever - one day you will get a virus and its how easy you can find the tools too remove it matters.  But I disagree the concepts of Vista were sound.  People do not like/want continuous  change.  Vista sold this product as the easy most useful and versatile Windows easier and it was just the opposite.  If these changes were necessary then they should have continued to work to resolve and improve them but instead they abandon it and pretty much told the customer TS.

2nd, nothing asks me for a password when I access the files in the public folders and I've been able to access them from computers at neighbors houses.  I checked just to see if I could, thats one of the reasons I was so angry about Vista.  What would keep someone from accessing that and placing malware there?   Now I admit that my efforts to make the rest of my computer accessible to the home network might have caused some of this but then again why was the info so sketchy about how to do it properly?

My office is one of UTCs branches and we have never been successfully attacked.  We all use XP.  We pretty much have good IT guys who run successfull programs, do lots of research, and stay on their toes.  Our product software lives on our customers servers in some cases on the open internet and is also susceptible to attack and in no place in the World has it been attacked successfully.  The bells and whistles we put into our webpages is one of the things that has made us one of the fastest growing and most secure companies in the world to work.  We did not completely change our product but how you accessed it and continued to improve the existing security and adaptions of the market in the code. 

One of our engineers was a beta tester for Vista, I had thought about doing it but wimped when my 2nd son was born as just not having the time.  Plus my wife was concern about the problems they were having with camera and display drivers at that time.

The Bear Family

[piglett]

I think i will be checking the yard sales this summer looking for an old 233MHz system.
i could always install new hardware or software on the older systems & resolve any conflicts easily.

my mother purchased a new system from dell last year that was preloaded with vista & i figured i would help her install some of her software that she had used on her old system that had run xp.
well after about an hour i decided that i should have just stayed home.
i couldn't seem to get anything done.

is it true that vista can be "rolled back to xp?"
i was at walmart the other day & they had 2 emachined on the shelf that were preloaded with xp
can you still purchase a system with xp?

piglett

[jm21-2]

You can still purchase a new system with XP. I don't think you can install XP over Vista.

[Shadow_mas]

You can not install XP over vista, but you can always format and install XP instead of Vista.
Most hardware drivers are available for XP.

And while I manage to get any software to work on Vista, MrsShadow used hers for about 2 weeks, then went back to XP.
Either the computers listen to my magic, or I just have less hangups about clicking for confirmation...

[Bob_S]

And while I manage to get any software to work on Vista, MrsShadow used hers for about 2 weeks, then went back to XP.
Either the computers listen to my magic, or I just have less hangups about clicking for confirmation...

You just got the knack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlJsPa6UwcM

It seems IMO that Vista is fine if you have a basic home system of modem - computer - printer which I'm willing to bet about 90% of most home computer users have.  But if you have anything more complex, throw in a VOIP, wireless router, or home network, then you really have to know what you are doing.  I know enough to get mine to do what I need (we are currently using flash drives to transfer digital photo files to my wife's machine after previewing on mine), but not necessarily what I want.  Ah well...

Oh, wrenching back to the original subject, cultural differences.  Experienced one this weekend.  Apparently "Dory", the little regal tang blue fish from Finding Nemo, the Japanese name for her kind of fish translates roughly as "easily peel-able skin", a description of how to prepare it.  Where I see a heartwarming family movie, my wife sees a menu.  Yep, we eat that, we eat that, that one is good in nabé, that one is good sashimi....     Poor little Dory.

[Bear]

I used to have "the knack" but gave it up twice.  On my Firebird when the junk yard engine I had just put end (2nd one) started "tapping" (2nd time - I knew it was going to throw a rod and I didn't want to rebuild the engine).  The second was when Vista came out because of the promotion at work.  I am just too busy learning our proprietary stuff the worry about stuff that should just work!

The Bear Family